Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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That does not mean he won't backfill those Countries that do though...
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Russia's, claims
When you look at these figures listed above remember in Dec 2021 the Ukrainian airforce had
Plus say half a dozen Puma, So allowing for the above shoot downs of 205 reported, that still leaves 110 or so that have either been donated or micraculously appeared, especially since they are still operating all types in theatre.
So "586" aircraft shot down out of 200 aircraft just prewar and of course a lot are still operating.. so even allowing for the odd Mig 29 delivered, those figures are wildly adrift, which casts a heck of a lot of fantasy on the other figures posted.
Details of types before the war from
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...orces-stack-up
When you look at these figures listed above remember in Dec 2021 the Ukrainian airforce had
Unlike its Russian counterpart, Ukrainian Army Aviation is a separate branch and not part of the air force. It relies almost exclusively on older versions of the Mi-8 and Mi-24, with around 50 Hips and 30 or more Mi-24s currently active.
Ukraine’s airpower might seem entirely mismatched. While Western sources credit the Ukrainian Air Force, or PS, as being Europe’s seventh-largest air force, this still amounts to approximately 200 aircraft of all types
Details of types before the war from
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...orces-stack-up
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Ive seen some pro-Russian threads, almost a mirror image of the Ukrainian ones.
The Russian ones do not even try to be logical as they are preaching to thechained choir, so factual detail, credibility etc., are really not important.
The Russian ones do not even try to be logical as they are preaching to the
You have to laugh😂👨🏼✈️
This is what passes for news nowadays.President Biden has said the US will not give Ukraine any F-16 fighter jets.
It comes after Ukrainian officials stepped up calls for allies to donate advanced warplanes so they can control their airspace.
They are currently using old Soviet-era jets.
Mr Biden responded "no" when asked by a reporter if he would send F-16s
There are concerns sending such technology could escalate the conflict and be viewed by Russia as NATO countries entering the war by proxy.
However, Britain's defence secretary said he's keeping an open mind about joining any future coalition supplying jets.
Ben Wallace told parliament there was a track record of countries saying they would not send arms and then relenting.
So there you have it, in the unlikely event that the RAF have any spare aircraft that are serviceable, the MoD are not against the idea of sending them to the war.
They can’t muster 9 serviceable jets for the Red Arrows, never mind trainers for Valley to generate pilots, but he’s not against the idea of sending some to Ukraine. 😂
It comes after Ukrainian officials stepped up calls for allies to donate advanced warplanes so they can control their airspace.
They are currently using old Soviet-era jets.
Mr Biden responded "no" when asked by a reporter if he would send F-16s
There are concerns sending such technology could escalate the conflict and be viewed by Russia as NATO countries entering the war by proxy.
However, Britain's defence secretary said he's keeping an open mind about joining any future coalition supplying jets.
Ben Wallace told parliament there was a track record of countries saying they would not send arms and then relenting.
So there you have it, in the unlikely event that the RAF have any spare aircraft that are serviceable, the MoD are not against the idea of sending them to the war.
They can’t muster 9 serviceable jets for the Red Arrows, never mind trainers for Valley to generate pilots, but he’s not against the idea of sending some to Ukraine. 😂
I know the Poles offered some 'redundant' Mig 29s and the USA said no but I bet there's a contractor somewhere in the USA who could supply them if asked (other ex Russian types too).
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Generalising, and certainly no one here. I must admit, I did post after watching the vid with the "dual charge" missiles targeting the Russians in the open. The music in that is probably where my head was at with the 'making light of it' comment.
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This looks like an interesting documentary, but I can't watch it on BBC iPlayer site because I'm in Australia. This is really weird policy on behalf of BBC - what is the point? OK so they save some streaming server costs, which I haven't contributed to because I'm not a BBC license payer. But they don't provide me any alternative, paid or otherwise.
I guess I could work around this using a VPN. When people in Russia are forced to do that we call it censorship and repression. But when it comes to BBC content, Vlad and his team don't even have to block it - the beeb have done that for them. What do we call that?
Overall I like the beeb (despite a bit of a "cultural style guide" flavour - what media org doesn't have their own today?) and I do enjoy a few radio shows and podcasts that they deign to let me access.
I guess I could work around this using a VPN. When people in Russia are forced to do that we call it censorship and repression. But when it comes to BBC content, Vlad and his team don't even have to block it - the beeb have done that for them. What do we call that?
Overall I like the beeb (despite a bit of a "cultural style guide" flavour - what media org doesn't have their own today?) and I do enjoy a few radio shows and podcasts that they deign to let me access.
Sadly there is another interesting one running too which you probably cannot watch, it refers to the collapse of the Soviet Union 1985 up to 1999 and is graphic in places. A VPN is the way to do it.
I think the BBC do this because they sell content abroad, and if you could watch it the world over the revenue would be lost, we can watch it in the UK as most of us HAVE to have a licence, so pay for the content.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...999-traumazone
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Russia's, claims
https://twitter.com/DougieJones101/s...51933260365824
When you look at these figures listed above remember in Dec 2021 the Ukrainian airforce had
Plus say half a dozen Puma, So allowing for the above shoot downs of 205 reported, that still leaves 110 or so that have either been donated or micraculously appeared, especially since they are still operating all types in theatre.
So "5862 aircraft shot down out of 200 aircraft just prewar and of course a lot are still operating.. so even allowing for the odd Mig 29 delivered, those figures are wildly adrift, which casts a heck of a lot of fantasy on the other figures posted.
Details of types before the war from
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...orces-stack-up
https://twitter.com/DougieJones101/s...51933260365824
When you look at these figures listed above remember in Dec 2021 the Ukrainian airforce had
Plus say half a dozen Puma, So allowing for the above shoot downs of 205 reported, that still leaves 110 or so that have either been donated or micraculously appeared, especially since they are still operating all types in theatre.
So "5862 aircraft shot down out of 200 aircraft just prewar and of course a lot are still operating.. so even allowing for the odd Mig 29 delivered, those figures are wildly adrift, which casts a heck of a lot of fantasy on the other figures posted.
Details of types before the war from
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...orces-stack-up
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It's just a result of this ****ty war, where no one wins..
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Damn, I have been inlfiltrated by Comrade Keyboardski, I typed " but missed the key, hence the added 2
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The Poles allegedly delivered some as ermm spare parts, but still all assembled.
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Wow...gee....140 Tanks of mixed makes, models, and capabilities.
Like forming a bucket brigade to fight a forest fire using different kinds of buckets.
But...when you are in desperate need....any help at all is welcomed.
We shall soon see just how good "our" Tanks are as compared to how good they are thought to be.
Lets hope we have better results than did the Russians when they threw their Tanks into the Meat Grinder of modern anti-tank warfare.
Like forming a bucket brigade to fight a forest fire using different kinds of buckets.
But...when you are in desperate need....any help at all is welcomed.
We shall soon see just how good "our" Tanks are as compared to how good they are thought to be.
Lets hope we have better results than did the Russians when they threw their Tanks into the Meat Grinder of modern anti-tank warfare.
In response to your last para: is it just the tanks, or is it also down to training and tactics?
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There might be a bit of protecting foreign sales, as Nutty suggests, but the main reasons are to do with rights (copyright, licencing agreements, distributorships etc.) on the programme and also on clips from other organisations that they may have used in the programme.
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PM rules out donating Tranche 1 Typhoon to Ukraine
Speaking on Tuesday, the prime minister's official spokesman said: "The UK's Typhoon and F-35 fighter jets are extremely sophisticated and take months to learn how to fly. Given that, we believe it is not practical to send those jets into Ukraine.
“We will continue to provide and accelerate our military support to Ukraine and listen carefully to their requests.
"It is the length of time it takes to learn how to use what are very complex pieces of equipment that is the limiting factor in this case but we will explore what more we can do to support Ukraine."
On Monday, Britain's defence secretary had said he was keeping an open mind about joining any future coalition supplying jets.
Ben Wallace told parliament there was a track record of countries saying they would not send arms and then relenting……
Speaking on Tuesday, the prime minister's official spokesman said: "The UK's Typhoon and F-35 fighter jets are extremely sophisticated and take months to learn how to fly. Given that, we believe it is not practical to send those jets into Ukraine.
“We will continue to provide and accelerate our military support to Ukraine and listen carefully to their requests.
"It is the length of time it takes to learn how to use what are very complex pieces of equipment that is the limiting factor in this case but we will explore what more we can do to support Ukraine."
On Monday, Britain's defence secretary had said he was keeping an open mind about joining any future coalition supplying jets.
Ben Wallace told parliament there was a track record of countries saying they would not send arms and then relenting……
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Indeed, one would assume that the Ukrainians would have the wherewithal to operate the three tanks types as three stand alone forces with their own crewing and support elements, rather than mixing them into the same units. I mean, that's how every other country operating mixed fleets of any type of military equipment does it, right?
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I was thinking the same thing - and the west's tanks faired quite well against the Russian tanks and anti-tank weapons there.
I suspect we're about to find out if that was due to training/tactics or to the overall superiority of the platforms.
BTW, read elsewhere that they expected the western tanks to be in-theater by the end of March at the latest
I suspect we're about to find out if that was due to training/tactics or to the overall superiority of the platforms.
BTW, read elsewhere that they expected the western tanks to be in-theater by the end of March at the latest