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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 1st Dec 2022, 12:18
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Ukrainian PR at its best again..

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brilliant.
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Old 1st Dec 2022, 14:25
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France is first major western country to publicly support proposal for special court to try for crime of aggression.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-ukraine-war
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That's the compact Su-25. Improved ramp utilization and excellent in cold climates. These plains are retaining a substantial amount of their structure post arrival on the turf, pretty tough builds
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The Ukrainians have been having a Mig 29 tag along with theirs as cover by the looks of this.

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Old 1st Dec 2022, 16:12
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Another possible reason to hand over longer range Himars. for the full longer article see the link

Outranging HIMARS, Russia Bets Big On Its Tornado-S & Lancet Loitering Munitions To Deflate Ukraine’s MLRS

Russian military expert Yuri Knutov said in an interview on November 23 that “if we talk about HIMARS, then our Tornado-S systems with a firing range of 120 kilometers and the ability to direct each missile individually have already gone to the front line. They are much more powerful than HIMARS.”

Russian media has been claiming that the Western stockpiles of ammunition were nearly depleted, causing concern in Kyiv about the future of its military supplies. At the same time, Russian officials and military experts refuted reports of Russia’s empty stocks.

Another Russian military expert Alexei Leonkov told Izvestia that the production of new artillery and multiple-launch rocket systems has increased.

For example, the Tornado-S MLRS, before the Special Military operation in the army, had 20 units. Now there are more of them. This system is similar to HIMARS but much better in many respects. This is a powerful MLRS, which you need to saturate the troops.”

Russia’s Tornado-S, like the American HIMARS, is a Multiple Launch Rocket System used to strike targets at longer ranges and inside the enemy territories.

The US M142 HIMARS is considered inferior in function to the Tornado-S. For instance, US M142 HIMARS can fire six GPS-guided 227mm rockets that can reach 80 kilometers and are accurate within five to ten meters.

In contrast, Russian ground forces 9A54 Tornado-S systems can fire twelve 300mm GLONASS-guided rockets at 120 kilometers with the same accuracy as HIMARS. Besides, the Tornado-S has a reduced launch readiness time of just three minutes, making it much faster and more effective. In addition, it also has new and improved payloads.

The Russian troops employed Tornado-S systems during the war in Donbas and again in the 2022 invasion of Ukraine. These systems give Russia the same advantage as HIMARS gives to the Ukrainians.

Russia will force Ukraine to move its ammunition depots far into the rear and render its supply lines vulnerable, as happened with Russia at the hands of Kyiv.
https://eurasiantimes.com/outranging...ornado-lancet/
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Old 1st Dec 2022, 16:51
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I remember driving across Salisbury Plain some years ago and having the car satnav go bonkers. Checked NOTAMs later and spotted that there was a GPS jamming trial taking place.

I assume that GLONASS operates on different frequencies to GPS, so can these Russian smart weapons be buggered up by jamming GLONASS?

Not my subject at all, so sorry if this sounds like a dim witted question. Just seems to me to be a possible a way to stop their high precision weapons from working, or at least making them revert to INS, which I assume would be less accurate.
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"The Russian troops employed Tornado-S systems during the war in Donbas and again in the 2022 invasion of Ukraine." ... don't mention the War, eh?
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Russia is negotiating with India on the supply of more than 500 sanctioned goods.

Reuters journalists managed to get acquainted with the list that Russia sent to India.

Russia is negotiating with India on the supply of more than 500 sanctioned goods. Reuters journalists managed to get acquainted with the list that Russia sent to India.

It consists of almost 14 pages and contains a request for automotive engine parts such as pistons, oil pumps and ignition coils. There is also demand for bumpers and safety belts.

For aircraft and helicopters, Russia requested 41 items, including landing gear components, fuel systems, communications and fire extinguishing systems, life jackets and aircraft tires.

Also on the list are raw materials for the production of paper, paper bags and consumer packaging, materials and equipment for the production of textiles, in particular fabrics and dyes, and about 200 more items related to metallurgy.

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Old 1st Dec 2022, 18:02
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Russia is negotiating with India on the supply of more than 500 sanctioned goods.

Reuters journalists managed to get acquainted with the list that Russia sent to India.

Russia is negotiating with India on the supply of more than 500 sanctioned goods. Reuters journalists managed to get acquainted with the list that Russia sent to India.

It consists of almost 14 pages and contains a request for automotive engine parts such as pistons, oil pumps and ignition coils. There is also demand for bumpers and safety belts.

For aircraft and helicopters, Russia requested 41 items, including landing gear components, fuel systems, communications and fire extinguishing systems, life jackets and aircraft tires.

Also on the list are raw materials for the production of paper, paper bags and consumer packaging, materials and equipment for the production of textiles, in particular fabrics and dyes, and about 200 more items related to metallurgy.

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If India keeps supporting Russia, in any way, all US foreign aid should be cut off.
​​​​​​​Scares me to think of how many US tech companies use Indian contract workers. They are cheap and competent, but what’s getting imbedded in the code?
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Old 1st Dec 2022, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Out of curiosity, what "more modern equipment" is Russia still holding back? There is nothing more modern in any significant quantity that could be provided to the Russian troops.

As an example,
  • the Su 57's are already in theatre but with 16 made really doesn't make much of a difference either as most are reserved for Kaliningrad.
  • The T90M's are already proven to be rather easy targets and the latest MS model has already been destroyed in fights as well.
  • Surely they have the Armata, but 20 of those doesn't change anything and there is no real evidence of an Armata successfully doing anything other than moving around slowly.
  • The hypersonic missiles are already in use in Ukraine.
Havent seen any evidence of Su-57s being in theatre, or even involved from inside Russia.
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Old 1st Dec 2022, 19:11
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
Havent seen any evidence of Su-57s being in theatre, or even involved from inside Russia.
Russkies claim they've been in use, but you are correct in terms of having any 3rd party hard evidence. Nevertheless, there are too few to say that the Russkies would be holding back any in reserves.

https://eurasiantimes.com/in-ukraine...nch-holes/?amp
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Russia Confirms Using Su-57 Fighters In Ukraine War As They Destroy Targets, Punch Holes In Western Myths


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ByVijainder K Thakur
October 19, 2022

The Russian MoD finally broke its silence on using Su-57 fighters in the ongoing special military operations (SMO). General Sergei Surovikin, commander of the joint group of troops in the area of the SMO, told reporters on Tuesday, October 18, 2022.

“In terms of the quality of combat use, I would especially like to single out the Su-57 fifth-generation multifunctional aircraft. Having a wide range of weapons, it solves multifaceted tasks of hitting air and ground targets in each sortie,” he said.

General Surovikin’s comment suggests that the Su-57 is being used both in the air-to-air and air-to-ground roles, and in both roles, it had scored hits.

Earlier, in June 2022, Izvestia had reported that Russia had deployed four Su-57 for the SMO, and the aircraft was being used to establish a tactical information network.

Earlier in 2018, Russia officially acknowledged using four Su-57 during the Syrian campaign. The State Duma’s expert council for the aviation industry, Vladimir Gutenev, said in July 2018.

“The stay of our four Su-57s in Syria has certainly allowed us to obtain additional information about the capabilities of this machine to detect American F-22s and F-35s that are in the same theatre of operations.”


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Old 1st Dec 2022, 19:39
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
With respect, Russia confirming something isn't the confirmation I was looking for.

Considering everything else operating in and around theatre has been photographed, or tracked, or whatever, there has been nothing for the Su-57.
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Old 1st Dec 2022, 19:45
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@ORAC & GlobalNav

If this is happening then any foreign aid provided to India from any country should be held in abeyance immediately. Further, any contracts with Indian companies should be suspended pending review.
And if India is seen to be supplying / supporting the Russian aggression then they should be sanctioned immediately by all countries, fast action on sanctions speaks more talking about it..
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Originally Posted by cura
If this is happening then any foreign aid provided to India from any country should be held in abeyance immediately. Further, any contracts with Indian companies should be suspended pending review.
And if India is seen to be supplying / supporting the Russian aggression then they should be sanctioned immediately by all countries, fast action on sanctions speaks more talking about it..
Agreed, but then we have to do the same for China.
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Yes why not, if they are seen to have been approached to supply or are negotiating to supply then yes.
I still find it difficult to see why the 'western" world provides aid, in various guises, to countries that are not really needing.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
With respect, Russia confirming something isn't the confirmation I was looking for.

Considering everything else operating in and around theatre has been photographed, or tracked, or whatever, there has been nothing for the Su-57.
I await your visual confirmation then
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I know it is the Daily Fail, but they do not learn...

ussia appears to be preparing for another large-scale air attack on Ukraine with dozens of bombers spotted massing at a key airbase.

Two dozen Tu-95 and Tu-160 long-range bombers have gathered at Engels-2 air base, near the city of Saratov, alongside fuel tanks, support vehicles, and repair supplies.

Analysts say crates - likely ammunition boxes containing Kh-55 and Kh-101 cruise missiles - are also visible near the aircraft, suggesting a large-scale attack on Ukraine is 'imminent.'

The attack will almost certainly focus on destroying Ukraine's already-battered power and water network which has been pounded by cruise missiles and Iranian-made kamikaze drones in recent weeks, leaving people freezing in their homes.



'Imminent large-scale attack' on Ukraine feared as Russian bombers mass at air base (msn.com)

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