Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Originally Posted by tdracer;11377550 BTW
, read elsewhere that they expected the western tanks to be in-theater by the end of March at the latest 
What has changed over the past few months that would have stopped the supply of tanks ? The only thing I can think of is the build-up of pressure on Scholz, and that needn't have prevented the Brits - unless they believed that the strategic pressure of Ramstein - plus the Challengers - was needed to push him over the edge.
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There is obviously a lot of talk of what weapon systems to supply to Ukraine, and how long the training on said platforms will take - understandable. However, I wonder how long it will be before the current reverses, and it is the Ukranians delivering the training to the West, teaching us how to fight Russians. It is something we are probably going to need to know.
On that video it looked like they were firing on personal attempting to evacuate the wounded. Not very chivalrous.
There is obviously a lot of talk of what weapon systems to supply to Ukraine, and how long the training on said platforms will take - understandable. However, I wonder how long it will be before the current reverses, and it is the Ukranians delivering the training to the West, teaching us how to fight Russians. It is something we are probably going to need to know.
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EDIT: Sorry, Identified medics do not fall into that category.
I beg to differ. If we wait until it is relevant in your estimation, it will be too late. The West has been on the back foot for the entire conflict, reacting to what Russia does without being pro-active, and only supplying weapons after Zelensky has begged for them for many weeks or months, or indeed (fast jets) not at all.
It is not only relevant, it is essential. There will be a stray missile, or a deliberate attack (Nordsea pipeline) etc that will be impossible to ignore - it is only a matter of time.
It is not only relevant, it is essential. There will be a stray missile, or a deliberate attack (Nordsea pipeline) etc that will be impossible to ignore - it is only a matter of time.
I have the impression that even Putin has noticed that his 'Friends' are beginning to become a problem (and in case of Prigozhin a potential threat) for him. There was obvious displeasure with Prigozhin coming on stage more and more openly and aggressively. At the moment I would think that Putin is more worried about Prigozhin than about Kadyrov (who is Muslim so zero chance of taking Putin's chair at some point in time). That said it seems he allowed state TV to publish this. That's a message in itself. I would hazard to guess the best times are over for Prigozhin and Kadyrov.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
#BREAKING: US readying $2.2Bn weapons package for Ukraine that includes long-range rockets for the first time, according to two US officials - Reuters
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I'm confident. They have proven time and again to be clever guys and make things work and deal with complications pragmatically and cleverly..
medics some nations might grant them some leeway. Combat medics are fair game. As they are generally indistinguishable from a normal soldier in most western armies. They carry a rifle as well.
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Calls for "Chivalry in War" usually comes from those that never experienced combat....War is all about killing and maimimg the enemy....even civilians to include Children in an all out full fledged war.
Bomber Command during WWII for one example.
Bomber Command during WWII for one example.
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War is not a chivalrous pursuit. Wounding instead of killing an emery combatant to then take out the soldiers who come to his aid has been going on for centuries. If they are red cross
medics some nations might grant them some leeway. Combat medics are fair game. As they are generally indistinguishable from a normal soldier in most western armies. They carry a rifle as well.
medics some nations might grant them some leeway. Combat medics are fair game. As they are generally indistinguishable from a normal soldier in most western armies. They carry a rifle as well.
I beg to differ. If we wait until it is relevant in your estimation, it will be too late. The West has been on the back foot for the entire conflict, reacting to what Russia does without being pro-active, and only supplying weapons after Zelensky has begged for them for many weeks or months, or indeed (fast jets) not at all.
It is not only relevant, it is essential. There will be a stray missile, or a deliberate attack (Nordsea pipeline) etc that will be impossible to ignore - it is only a matter of time.
It is not only relevant, it is essential. There will be a stray missile, or a deliberate attack (Nordsea pipeline) etc that will be impossible to ignore - it is only a matter of time.
One question I have been trying to articulate though, with whispers here and there of requests for cluster munitions, would it be morally indefensible to reply with such banned weapons even if the other side uses them on you? (White phosphorus, butterfly mines, cluster bombs, etc.) I.e. should the Ukrainian army continue to fight with several arms tied behind their backs, regardless of what is thrown at them?
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Neither country signed up to the banning of cluster munitions, see
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDe...r=26&clang=_en
As tragic as it may be, White Phosphorus use is not banned on military targets, only against civilian ones.
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https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDe...r=26&clang=_en
As tragic as it may be, White Phosphorus use is not banned on military targets, only against civilian ones.
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Neither country signed up to the banning of cluster munitions, see
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDe...r=26&clang=_en
https://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDe...r=26&clang=_en
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64455123
Good journalism from the BBC. After defeating the initial occupation force and inflicting heavy casualties on Wagner, they're now fighting the formidable regular Russian forces. Hope they get everything they need for their biggest fight yet.
Good journalism from the BBC. After defeating the initial occupation force and inflicting heavy casualties on Wagner, they're now fighting the formidable regular Russian forces. Hope they get everything they need for their biggest fight yet.
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I wonder which ac he had in mind?
Johnson suggests Sunak should 'forget about Putin' and send fighter jets to Ukraine
I wonder which ac he had in mind?
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Typhoon tranche 1 were mentioned, but I would imagine they are just emptied robbed blind fuselages sitting on scrapped legs by now having been hidden out of sight somewhere to avoid embarrassment..