Is Ukraine about to have a war?
If the Russians reports of Ukrainian casualties are accurate . Those sending weapons and ammunition will need to send soldiers as well . If they want to keep the War going . Those grannies with AKs are getting killed at an unsustainable rate . The latest meat grinder cost them 23,000 troops .
Better start getting the conscription and draft call up letters ready as this war does not look ready for peace talks anytime soon .
Better start getting the conscription and draft call up letters ready as this war does not look ready for peace talks anytime soon .
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Hopefully, but it is not the soundest of strategies to rely upon and a lot more people will be killed before that eventuality.
If the Russians reports of Ukrainian casualties are accurate . Those sending weapons and ammunition will need to send soldiers as well . If they want to keep the War going . Those grannies with AKs are getting killed at an unsustainable rate . The latest meat grinder cost them 23,000 troops .
Better start getting the conscription and draft call up letters ready as this war does not look ready for peace talks anytime soon .
Better start getting the conscription and draft call up letters ready as this war does not look ready for peace talks anytime soon .
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KREMINNA /1510 UTC 15 JAN/ UKR units are confirmed to be in contact within the city limits of Kreminna. Back and forth fighting continues in the south and central suburban areas as RU has conducted fire missions along the C-130514 road in the south liminal areas of the city.
Beamr, I don't understand your last sentence in #13505. Is that what you meant to say? If so it makes little sense to me.
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I have seen several clips of alleged Ukrainian dead, some one or two, the odd one in the tens, one thing I noted is they more or less all have been relieved of their boots which must say something in regards to the poor quality of the Russian kit, one captured Russian was wearing civilian women’s boots.
Interesting point Nutty,
Eisenhower, once asked what the Russians required to take over Europe, replied "shoes".
Eisenhower, once asked what the Russians required to take over Europe, replied "shoes".
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what if anything would it take for a "neighbor" to come to ukraine's direct aid. this, a sweeping cut down from belerus to cut of western ukraine.
If russia does raise another 500000 troops and unsparingly throws them at kiev in a matter of weeks, and kiev cant pre-emt it. (even if they could/which they cant) theres a risk of them losing, and ukraine falling. let alone more tens of thousands deaths.
how long it take to plan desert storm?
was kuwait in nato. no
did sadam have WMDs yes.....did he use them, no.
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what if anything would it take for a "neighbor" to come to ukraine's direct aid. this, a sweeping cut down from belerus to cut of western ukraine.
If russia does raise another 500000 troops and unsparingly throws them at kiev in a matter of weeks, and kiev cant pre-emt it. (even if they could/which they cant) theres a risk of them losing, and ukraine falling. let alone more tens of thousands deaths.
how long it take to plan desert storm?
was kuwait in nato. no
did sadam have WMDs yes.....did he use them, no.
what if anything would it take for a "neighbor" to come to ukraine's direct aid. this, a sweeping cut down from belerus to cut of western ukraine.
If russia does raise another 500000 troops and unsparingly throws them at kiev in a matter of weeks, and kiev cant pre-emt it. (even if they could/which they cant) theres a risk of them losing, and ukraine falling. let alone more tens of thousands deaths.
how long it take to plan desert storm?
was kuwait in nato. no
did sadam have WMDs yes.....did he use them, no.
Personally I think Putin will pull the trigger on a general mobilization this summer.
How long does it take to fully mobilize the Russian Economy, Industrial Base, conscript, train, equip, feed, house, transport and sustain an additional 500,000 Russian Troops?
Then there is the small matter of raising units, establishing formations, setting up command structures, drawing from current units for Trainers, and Cadre and generate some credible sort of effectiveness.
I would suggest recent experience by the Russians does not lend itself to seeing much real success at that.
Sheer numbers. matter in a war of attrition but the matter of Will also factors into it.
One. thing for sure.....the Western Powers drag their feet and fail to get the where withal to fight with to the Ukraine Forces and the Russians can win be default...due not to the Ukraine failing to fight but the West not providing the enough of what they need to to fight with.
If that happens....WWIII is coming and it will be on the heads of the current leadership of the Western and NATO powers.
Could the ultimate winning strategy be having the Ukraine forces bleed Russian forces to the point the Russians become vulnerable to defeat later if not now.
Then there is the small matter of raising units, establishing formations, setting up command structures, drawing from current units for Trainers, and Cadre and generate some credible sort of effectiveness.
I would suggest recent experience by the Russians does not lend itself to seeing much real success at that.
Sheer numbers. matter in a war of attrition but the matter of Will also factors into it.
One. thing for sure.....the Western Powers drag their feet and fail to get the where withal to fight with to the Ukraine Forces and the Russians can win be default...due not to the Ukraine failing to fight but the West not providing the enough of what they need to to fight with.
If that happens....WWIII is coming and it will be on the heads of the current leadership of the Western and NATO powers.
Could the ultimate winning strategy be having the Ukraine forces bleed Russian forces to the point the Russians become vulnerable to defeat later if not now.
Poland & Romania could individually get involved, still. If anything to come out of the last 11 months shows its that positions cans be re-evaluated. Courage can be found. surely for the poles if anything, yes historically country's have gone to war for them, and yes it didnt work out well you know, 50 years of Russian rule you'd think they'd have a bone to pick. Katyn to settle.
If russia invaded some of its other neighbors, say canada, japan, norway. would there be this much thinking time.
They are blowing up apartment buildings, again & still. 30 people in one go. Hoping they run out of missiles.. and tanks,etc forever seems abit, Hopeful.
If russia invaded some of its other neighbors, say canada, japan, norway. would there be this much thinking time.
They are blowing up apartment buildings, again & still. 30 people in one go. Hoping they run out of missiles.. and tanks,etc forever seems abit, Hopeful.
Those alleged 500k troops, who will train them, where and in which time frame?
What will they be equipped with, what type of troops will they form, mech infantry surely not, light infantry with womens shoes? As an example tjey are already rolling in the T62's.
Where will they find the officers for 500k troops? Or will it be like the red rmy in the 20's when officers were shot and the troops will collectively lead (that was rather unique experiment...).
I am sure there was a reason for "partial mobilization", and the reason is they can't really fully utilize vast numbers of conscripts. The Russkies have suffered from the new millennium objective of going for professional army and they have really destroyed the Soviet era mechanisms to call in a conscript army.
Yet again, they can call in 500k men and women, but will it benefit them? Or will it be just very big and juicy artillery target for the Ukrainians?
if they do it it is a lot of men with rifles, and coming wave after wave it will be like the reports of zombies in the eastern front. So release the Leopards and give the Ukrainians the tools to repel the Russkies, preferably before the Russkies call in that 500k men. It would save a lot of human lives.
What will they be equipped with, what type of troops will they form, mech infantry surely not, light infantry with womens shoes? As an example tjey are already rolling in the T62's.
Where will they find the officers for 500k troops? Or will it be like the red rmy in the 20's when officers were shot and the troops will collectively lead (that was rather unique experiment...).
I am sure there was a reason for "partial mobilization", and the reason is they can't really fully utilize vast numbers of conscripts. The Russkies have suffered from the new millennium objective of going for professional army and they have really destroyed the Soviet era mechanisms to call in a conscript army.
Yet again, they can call in 500k men and women, but will it benefit them? Or will it be just very big and juicy artillery target for the Ukrainians?
if they do it it is a lot of men with rifles, and coming wave after wave it will be like the reports of zombies in the eastern front. So release the Leopards and give the Ukrainians the tools to repel the Russkies, preferably before the Russkies call in that 500k men. It would save a lot of human lives.
I can't believe that governments are not discussing what we on PPRuNe are. They have much more information and are well aware of consequences and necessities for Ukraine to win. There have to be high level discussions ongoing as to what to supply Ukraine; long range HIMARS and the ability to strike Russian targets has to be a major topic. I can only hope Ukraine's allies allow Ukraine to strike back in the manner they are attacked. The interdiction of rails and bridges to reduce Russian resupply are obvious targets. Ukraine is taking too much pain without responding.
They could supply extra weapons to beat Russia back to it's borders - but they won't - and I don't believe it's because of the `threat of escalation'.
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Another problem Russia has in mobilisation is the haphazard way they are doing it, it is ok grabbing people off the streets and chucking them to the front, but when that person is the heating engineer for a town plant and it fails with no one else who knows how to fix it as happened you are screwed, same goes for arms manufacturing, grabbing key workers as canon fodder means you then screw up your rearmament ambitions… long may it continue..
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I can't believe that governments are not discussing what we on PPRuNe are. They have much more information and are well aware of consequences and necessities for Ukraine to win. There have to be high level discussions ongoing as to what to supply Ukraine; long range HIMARS and the ability to strike Russian targets has to be a major topic. I can only hope Ukraine's allies allow Ukraine to strike back in the manner they are attacked. The interdiction of rails and bridges to reduce Russian resupply are obvious targets. Ukraine is taking too much pain without responding.
I do wonder if the odd hit in Moscow would wake up Russians to what Putin is doing.
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Why would anyone let this wack job out?
