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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 13th Jan 2023, 12:37
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So, with a lot of reports saying that Russia is about to attack from Belarus' soil and Belarus possibly getting involved, what would or even should be the response from the West if it happens?
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 12:44
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
It does however screw the German arms industry over re exports of their equipment, who the heck is going to buy arms from them in the future knowing their hands are tied as to what they can and cannot do with them...

And to quote Uncle Albert

"During the War" Germany, had no qualms about using and supplying French or Czech armour to their allies without the permission of the relevant Governments in exile
Don't other countries do this ? I would have thought it was useful from the point of view of stopping your technology from ending up in China.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 12:48
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I wonder who the SPG-9 seen at the end belongs too? similar in use i suppose to the old UK Mobat and Wombat.

By 2019 Russian Army still used this weapon. Recently Ukraine planned to restart production of this weapon.
https://military-today.com/artillery/spg_9.htm

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 12:54
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I just wonder what happened to the original M1 and M1IP Abrams tanks, with different canon it is of little value or possibly even liability for US forces but Ukrainians could utilise them well. They are still superior to any variant of T-90, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by t43562
Don't other countries do this ? I would have thought it was useful from the point of view of stopping your technology from ending up in China.
I get that, but fast forward say 20 years and another situation like Ukraine happens, would the UK be able to provide Challenger 3 to the country being a British built tank but with it having a Rheinmetall’s latest generation L55A1 120mm smoothbore gun. Does that mean that Germany could veto it and the sales, say Saudi wanted to buy them now etc?

Not that we would, but In theory could the UK veto the USA in providing Ukraine with the M777 Atillery to Ukraine as they are British designed weapons?

or could Germany veto the US providing Abrams M1A1 as it had the 120mm smoothbore cannon by Rheinmettal
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 13:03
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In recent months, russia has involved tens of thousands of convicts in its military operation in Ukraine.

​​​​​​​ As it turns out, there is absolutely no difference between convicted russian criminals and yet to be convicted russian war criminals.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 13:32
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No words.....

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 13:40
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Europe needs to get stuck in and do everything it can to assure Ukraine not only wins but liberates all of it's territories, because if it doesn't and ukraine falls all that Russian /Ukraine/ Belarusian firepower is coming Germany and Poland's way. Don't think for a minute that it won't and where will NATO be, not in Europe, don't be counting on any help from the US or Canada should that happen, why would they it's not their back yard. It will be seen as "you have made your decision" You have to be in Ukraine by March, if not Europe as we know it is gone.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 13:41
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Western countries are so worried about sending tanks to Ukraine, they’re arguing about what is and isn’t a “tank.” We offer our humble suggestion…

​​​​​​​The Abrams M1A2 Sports Utility Vehicle
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 14:06
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
So Russia IS fighting WW1 again? So much for mobility, precision, violence of action etc..
Why are we wasting time with this guy? I have a feeling this war is going to drag on for years due to the Wests indecision.
I predict stalemate, tiring attrition for Ukraine and boredom from the Wests political leaders.
A very dangerous situation.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 14:43
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I predict stalemate, tiring attrition for Ukraine and boredom from the Wests political leaders.
Which probably, considering the failure to conquer Ukraine quickly, is Putin's best hope of getting something out of this.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 14:46
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Open Sesame????

https://www-zdf-de.translate.goog/na..._x_tr_pto=wapp

BREAKING: Germany is open to letting Poland transfer Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Asked about it, German Vice-Chancellor Habeck said Berlin “should not stand in the way when other countries make decisions to support Ukraine” (…) "irrespective of what decisions Germany makes"

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 14:58
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Who said you get bad news on friday the 13th, I just hope these figures are accurate.



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Old 13th Jan 2023, 15:01
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I get that, but fast forward say 20 years and another situation like Ukraine happens, would the UK be able to provide Challenger 3 to the country being a British built tank but with it having a Rheinmetall’s latest generation L55A1 120mm smoothbore gun. Does that mean that Germany could veto it and the sales, say Saudi wanted to buy them now etc?

Not that we would, but In theory could the UK veto the USA in providing Ukraine with the M777 Atillery to Ukraine as they are British designed weapons?

or could Germany veto the US providing Abrams M1A1 as it had the 120mm smoothbore cannon by Rheinmettal
I think (not certain ) that in both cases the answer is no. The M777 is built by an American subsidiary of BAe and I doubt the origin of the design is relevant and BAe may well have passed all rights to the subsidiary to avoid such potential problems. It seems the gun used on the M1 is only based on the Rheinmetall design, but is not the same to the extent that they are not interchangeable. Rheinmetall licensed the rights to the USA, so exact information would be contained in that license. This would be the same condition for the Challenger 3 export you hypothesise (imo )

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 15:07
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Open Sesame????
Definitely not - this is just his opinion, and he doesn't have the say-so. Astonishingly the Greens (Habeck's party ) have been hugely more supportive of Ukraine and weapon transfers than the SPD, however the SPD conference of a few days ago confirmed the current line of not being inflammatory towards Russia and seeking negotiations with Putin.

His statement will however serve to put more pressure on Scholz, which combined with Polish, Finnish and British expressions of intent, may push him over the edge. It may need an actual British commitment to deliver to make him move, and I wouldn't be certain about that either.

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 16:10
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An interesting read.
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Old 13th Jan 2023, 17:21
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Russian heli pilot interview, shame it ends

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Old 13th Jan 2023, 18:12
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Major explosion in a gas pipeline in Lithuania supplying Latvia. Fireball over 160ft high and area being evacuated.
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Major explosion in a gas pipeline in Lithuania supplying Latvia. Fireball over 160ft high and area being evacuated.

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