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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 1st Jan 2023, 21:15
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Also reports of a strike on barracks in malakeeva. Officially 58 mobliks dead, but locals are talking about hundreds

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
I second that, and would make a special mention of the Wagner thugs - surely Putin's version of the SS.
Actually, the SS was a component of the governments instruments of war, and as barbaric as they were, they were arguably a legally formed group... who behaved barbarically.

Wagner is a criminal enterprise, which is favoured by the criminal government in power in Russia, and is also barbaric. Under international law, the members of Wagner and those that effect it as a force, manage, pay for... etc meet the 7 elements of criminality required to be labeled a criminal enterprise/criminals.

SS: a group that conducted criminal acts...
Wagner: a criminal group, run by criminals, at the behest of a criminal government and who conduct criminal acts.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 22:01
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Originally Posted by MPN11
And there, sadly, is the sticking point at where we in the despised “Wesr” We have a problem. History has shown how trustworthy the Russian/USSR/RF state has been since 1917. There is NO trust. Thus, the “West” is:
a. In for a decades long war of sanctions, whatever the cost to our economies, or …
b. Prepared to actually go to war with the Bear … and that has gone badly for everyone who tried it.

PS: Happy 2023 to all those embroiled in this tragedy, except of course Vlad the aggressor and his subservient lackeys.
Sadly it will take generations and needs to start at kindergarten, they are taught to behave like that and until you eradicate the educational system that does that then you will never solve the problem.

Hence why Russia puts importance in teaching their “doctrine” under the disguise of the Russian education system in occupied schools, it’s a generational brainwashing, it might take 20 years but you will end up with good little subservient Russian clones willing to die for the “motherland”

We are all born equal and innocent, it is only education that moulds us into what we are.

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 22:10
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Originally Posted by rattman
Also reports of a strike on barracks in malakeeva. Officially 58 mobliks dead, but locals are talking about hundreds

https://twitter.com/i/status/1609647291161366528

Apparently the Ukrainian mobile network is no longer connected in that area but they got the message all the same.

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 22:23
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More on the new year surprise

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Jesus, ballsy or what, Christmas lit HIMAR in action, it shows the total ineffectiveness of Russia in the area.

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Old 1st Jan 2023, 22:50
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Sadly it will take generations and needs to start at kindergarten, they are taught to behave like that and until you eradicate the educational system that does that then you will never solve the problem.

Hence why Russia puts importance in teaching their “doctrine” under the disguise of the Russian education system in occupied schools, it’s a generational brainwashing, it might take 20 years but you will end up with good little subservient Russian clones willing to die for the “motherland”

We are all born equal and innocent, it is only education that moulds us into what we are.

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While our environment does have an affect on how we behave, it it not deterministic. We all make decisions, willful choices, strongly affected by the context of our background, but there are many many examples of men and women making good choices in spite of when and how they were raised. We are individually accountable for the choices we make.
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I will give these Russians one thing, they were determined, I doubt I would stand on a burning vehicle full of explosive.

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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
While our environment does have an affect on how we behave, it it not deterministic. We all make decisions, willful choices, strongly affected by the context of our background, but there are many many examples of men and women making good choices in spite of when and how they were raised. We are individually accountable for the choices we make.

Eerrr while I hear what you are saying, but I would suggest you take the time to scroll down this page, it’s an eye opener.


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Eerrr while I hear what you are saying, but I would suggest you take the time to scroll down this page, it’s an eye opener.



https://twitter.com/redundanton/stat...848?lang=en-GB
That is incredibly depressing......
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
ponder the possible breakup of the RF into a group of independent and less belligerent
and having some of them volunteer to give up the stored nuclear arsenal to another, more composed sibling in exchange for security and territorial integrity guarantees.... I see what you did there.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Eerrr while I hear what you are saying, but I would suggest you take the time to scroll down this page, it’s an eye opener.



https://twitter.com/redundanton/stat...848?lang=en-GB
I get it, but think of all those, including Ukrainians, who grew up under Soviet communism, youth programs, propaganda, repression of religion and do so on and so on, who became the resistance in Eastern bloc and former soviet republics. It is hard no doubt, and certainly not the advantages I was blessed with, yet some made right choices.

Anyway, murder, rape and other crimes are choices and environmental background is no excuse.
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I agree, but the fact the Ukrainian school system moved away from the Soviet and Russian system from 1991 onwards tends to show in their behaviour, they are fighting a”clean war” if there was ever such a thing.
Yes, you may get the odd bad apple as in any military, but they appear to have weeded them out since 2014 and the reforms brought about by their government and western training.
They moved from a corrupt inept army to the modern fighting force we see today.

Meanwhile.. I am surprised this still rolls all be it under tow.

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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Well said. No pity for the pitiless, there is a barbaric streak running through the nation which manifests itself every generation or so.
My red line was reading of the exhumation of the body of a 7 year old girl with seven different DNA rapes. Animals, and those less wicked appear to condone or tolerate them.
Let them fertilise the soil of Ukraine.
While noone can deny the tragedy unfolding in the Ukraine it's worth keeping in mind that both sides are practiced and put great effort into using social media to manipulate public opinion.
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Originally Posted by Rockie_Rapier
While noone can deny the tragedy unfolding in the Ukraine it's worth keeping in mind that both sides are practiced and put great effort into using social media to manipulate public opinion.
Yes indeed, one side is trying to keep the worlds fickle intention while they are being shelled, starved and frozen in their beds in their own country...while the other side is making excuses whey they are shelling, starving and freezing civilians in their beds.
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Yes indeed, one side is trying to keep the worlds fickle intention while they are being shelled, starved and frozen in their beds in their own country...while the other side is making excuses whey they are shelling, starving and freezing civilians in their beds.
Well said. Evil is seen to be what it is, the broad facts on the ground are evidence enough for me.
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Agreed.

Russia has a strange way of showing its love. More like stalker mentality, an obsessive desire to possess entirely. If this was two people, Russia would be under a restraining order.
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