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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 4th Dec 2022, 22:02
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What is “kamikaze” about this drone? Does it carry a human operator? If not, isn’t “drone” a complete term? The German V-1 was never called kamikaze was it?
The ones able to give a definitive answer to the question why they are using the term kamikaze are the developers who are using the term, but I would suggest that the drone is only going to make a one way trip as opposed to the drones dropping grenades on grunts in their trenches and then flown home for reload.
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russians dont celebrate xmas they usually celebrate new year and january 7th according to the wife
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Old 4th Dec 2022, 22:04
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Originally Posted by magyarflyer
russians dont celebrate xmas they usually celebrate new year and january 5th according to the wife
Orthodox new year or Gregorian new year?
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Old 4th Dec 2022, 22:23
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These Ukrainians really don't waste time in their weapons development.
... like their life depended on it ...
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
What is “kamikaze” about this drone? Does it carry a human operator? If not, isn’t “drone” a complete term? The German V-1 was never called kamikaze was it?
Possibly Kamikaze in its original sense as a divine wind (typhoon) that comes out of the blue to rescue a nation in peril, such as the one(s) that destroyed the invading Mongol fleet(s) in Japan's Hakata Bay in 1274 and 1281.
Thus an unexpected and unlikely weapon appearing on the scene and tipping the balance of war against an overwhelming invader.
Kamikaze (typhoon) - Wikipedia
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In the video of the Ka-52 shootdown that NutLoose posted what do people think actually struck it? It looks like a top down attack and reminds me of footage of BONUS artillery rounds.
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I wondered that too as it was a big explosion.


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The Russian airbase “Engels-2” has been hit. The base is located 400 km Southeast from Moscow. It hosts strategic bombers of Tu-95 and was the launch pad for numerous attacks against Ukraine.

Russian channels claim it was a drone.

This would change the strategic calculus considerably.

​​​​​​​Interesting video of explosion at Engels Airbase. At 15 sec, sound of something passing overhead. At 42 sec, light from explosion. 19 secs later - sound of blast, about 6.2 km away (speed of sound 326.34 m/s, dry air -8 C.)

​​​​​​​Video geolocated to here (done myself, others independently established same location). 6.2 km away, in line of sight, is north-eastern part of Engels airbase flight line, where, in this imagery, some Tu-95 bombers are parked.
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The only base for the TU 160 strategic bomber? Surely not. Oops...
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Old 5th Dec 2022, 07:56
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
The only base for the TU 160 strategic bomber? Surely not. Oops...

Allegedly 2 * Tu-95 damaged/destroyed
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Simultaneous attack at Dyagilevo, Ryazan. Russians reporting it was just a fuel tanker exploding - but they would, wouldn’t they they…..

Also reports of 2 x TU-95 damaged, so maybe confusion between the two attacks. Hopefully clear skies for BDR or we might never really know,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyagilevo_(air_base)
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Simultaneous attack at Dyagilevo, Ryazan. Russians reporting it was just a fuel tanker exploding - but they would, wouldn’t they they…..

Also reports of 2 x TU-95 damaged, so maybe confusion between the two attacks. Hopefully clear skies for BDR or we might never really know.
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I don't understand why two links are given when they present the identical video. That apart, if that is supposed to be the explosion of a fuel tanker, it is very odd that after the two or three seconds flare of the explosion there is then no continuing burn from the fuel in the tanker.
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Old 5th Dec 2022, 09:14
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Fuel tankers simply can't explode unless someone adds explosives to the scene.
They can burn, but the event shown was clearly an explosion, not a fuel fire as it did not persist longer than a secnd or so.
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
The only base for the TU 160 strategic bomber? Surely not. Oops...
Who would put their strategic bomber assets on one base, that's stupid, I mean its like putting all your transport capability on one base.

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And Moscow is way closer in distance.

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Old 5th Dec 2022, 09:33
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
The only base for the TU 160 strategic bomber? Surely not. Oops...
There are multiple bases for those, eg there are Blackjacks and Bears in Murmansk, was shown in satellite imegery a while back.
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Murmansk is a FOB, they deploy there before doing sorties to the USA, North Atlantic, UK etc.

I would expect they would disperse their remaining aircraft to FOBs, bu5 at a heavy cost in operational capability due to th3 logistics of transferring crews and weapons, briefings etc.

Not surprised bot( TU-95 bases were hit at the same time, if you ar3 going to reveal you4 hand before showing you could attack at that range, best you hit both so they don’t have a chance to disperse the assets at the other.

Hitting the TU-95s and not the TU-160s looks like a political decision to leave their prime Nuke triad fleet alone.
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Close up and slow mo of the KA-52 downing from a different view, interestingly there is another helicopter at low level, so I wonder why he was so high, you can see the missile strike too and the thoughts on what it was.

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Old 5th Dec 2022, 09:43
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Originally Posted by Beamr
There are multiple bases for those, eg there are Blackjacks and Bears in Murmansk, was shown in satellite imegery a while back.
Engles is the equivalent of Whitman, its their TU-160's homebase, they might do deployments to other bases for periods of time but they always come back
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Originally Posted by rattman
Engles is the equivalent of Whitman, its their TU-160's homebase, they might do deployments to other bases for periods of time but they always come back
ok, thanks. Yet still, I believe all the eggs aren't in the same basket but spread out a bit, eg some in Murmansk.
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russians dont celebrate xmas they usually celebrate new year and january 7th according to the wife
not according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_in_Russia
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