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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 4th Dec 2022, 16:39
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Re WWW 3

Things could easily spiral out of control. Look at the shyte storm right after pieces of a Ukrainian anti air missal landed in Poland with 2 dead. Imagine what would happen if it was a defective Russian cruise missal that blundered into Poland and landed in one of their cities killing hundreds. Everything that the USA has done has been carefully calibrated to try to avoid going up the escalatory ladder. Avoiding WWW3 is job one for Biden.

Failure in Ukraine means failure for Putin. It is not unreasonable to think that this puts Putins life in danger. If you think you are going to get killed when you are overthrown where is the downside in starting WWW3 ?
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Russia has no more invasion force to do the big attack on the West. They could still go to the Baltic states but that will just trigger a big NATO reaction with nothing to gain. They will likely be busy enough keeping all internal powers in equilibrium, military, FSB, Wagner, Guard, mobilised people and others to fight who will get the power. They will focus inside not outside. WW3 is not that likely anymore but any Russian implosion might end nasty. Something between Romania end of 1989 and the post Tito Balkans war on steroids.

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I have read a few threads re WW3…

Wow, but at the end of the day we need to remember this isn’t a video game, real people are dying close to Christmas, and on either side there will be grieving mothers, families and children, the only thing war brings regardless of the rights or wrongs is misery.

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Originally Posted by FUMR
I'm sorry to upset you but, fascinating as it is, history is just that: history. Contrary to what you may think, it respectfully makes you no wiser than than the rest of us as to what may happen in the future. especially with regard to this conflict.
I did ask for your viewpoint or, to put it another way, on what basis of knowledge do you base your disagreement with my tentative reflections?

Just to remind you, I wrote: We see a version or a rehearsal for WW III ................... just not like the books used to say
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I wonder what chance there is even of a Christmas Day ceasefire? Too much to hope for even there I guess
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Originally Posted by sangiovese.
I wonder what chance there is even of a Christmas Day ceasefire? Too much to hope for even there I guess
On which calendar I wonder?
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Originally Posted by sangiovese.
I wonder what chance there is even of a Christmas Day ceasefire? Too much to hope for even there I guess
Would you trust a Russian agreement for a cease-fire??

Thought not!
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Originally Posted by sangiovese.
I wonder what chance there is even of a Christmas Day ceasefire? Too much to hope for even there I guess
You can't negotiate a cease fire with terrorists.
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Both sides seem keen on Soccer.
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Originally Posted by uxb99
You can't negotiate a cease fire with terrorists.
You can, and they can last for weeks.
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Old 4th Dec 2022, 19:13
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Originally Posted by Richard W
You can, and they can last for weeks.
Good Friday Agreement in mind?
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
Failure in Ukraine means failure for Putin. It is not unreasonable to think that this puts Putins life in danger. If you think you are going to get killed when you are overthrown where is the downside in starting WWW3 ?
This is the part that scares me - if Putin thinks he's going down, what is he going to see as a downside of using nukes? Best case, the west backs down to avoid starting WWIII and he gets his way. Worst case is MAD - and he doesn't much care as he figures he's dead either way...
The parallels to Hitler in April 1945 are too real to ignore. Hitler decided that German had let him down and wasn't worthy of surviving - so in his twisted mind there was nothing that would have prevented him from going to MAD if he'd had the capability. Putin's actions the last year have come right out of Hitler's playbook.
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My hope is those around Putin would prevent his last throw of the dice as most of them will have families and children.
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Here is a pertinent document that I read recently, published by The House of Lords:
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/w...clear-weapons/
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Originally Posted by Confusious
Here is a pertinent document that I read recently, published by The House of Lords:
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/w...clear-weapons/
It's the last sentence of the headline paragraph which agrees with some on here including me.
This article summarises recent developments in the war between Russia and Ukraine and assessments of whether Russia could use tactical nuclear weapons in the conflict. Tactical nuclear weapons are designed for use on the battlefield, and they have lower explosive yields than ‘strategic’ nuclear weapons. Commentators have argued that the risk of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons is low, but it could rise if Russia faced defeat in Ukraine.
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On which calendar I wonder?
Probably none where the year is 5783.
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This should be interesting, Ukrainian kamikaze drone with payload of 75kg and range of 1000km has passed initial tests and looking to be in combat use by the end of the year.
I hope the news reaches Kremlin in the form of a successful test flight.

These Ukrainians really don't waste time in their weapons development.

""After we successfully test the drone under the influence of EW, we hope to be able to test it in combat use. We promised by the end of this year, we are trying to fulfill this promise," said the spokeswoman of Ukrobornprom."


https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-tech...iprobuvan.html
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Old 4th Dec 2022, 21:46
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Originally Posted by Beamr
This should be interesting, Ukrainian kamikaze drone with payload of 75kg and range of 1000km has passed initial tests and looking to be in combat use by the end of the year.
I hope the news reaches Kremlin in the form of a successful test flight.

These Ukrainians really don't waste time in their weapons development.

""After we successfully test the drone under the influence of EW, we hope to be able to test it in combat use. We promised by the end of this year, we are trying to fulfill this promise," said the spokeswoman of Ukrobornprom."


https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-tech...iprobuvan.html
What is “kamikaze” about this drone? Does it carry a human operator? If not, isn’t “drone” a complete term? The German V-1 was never called kamikaze was it?
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Old 4th Dec 2022, 21:59
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
What is “kamikaze” about this drone? Does it carry a human operator? If not, isn’t “drone” a complete term? The German V-1 was never called kamikaze was it?
The subtle distinction is it is intended for single use as distinct from a multi mission drone that delivers munitions then comes back for a refill. Kamikaze is more graphic and self explanatory than the term single mission drone and equally the term suicide drone would be just as inappropriate as it is not alive so cannot die. The German V-1 was just a poncy artillery shell as unlike a drone, it had no specific target beyond a general area.
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