Is Ukraine about to have a war?

[ORAC]

Ukraine closing borders to Russia and Belarus and closing all transport links.

Any Russian diplomats who haven’t got out yet will have to go via another country.

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[ORAC]

The EU has called for sanctions to be extended to Belarus, after new satellite images revealed new Russian military build-up on its soil. Belarus shares borders with 3 NATO nations.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...elarus/622878/

The Russian Incursion No One Is Talking About

While the world watches Ukraine, Moscow is making moves in neighboring Belarus, too.

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[Beamr]

Originally Posted by Less Hair

Why all these procedures and formality when by now everybody already knows it is just fake and show? Who do they think they fool?

Internal audience. The people of Russia. Putin conciders that formality his shield and defence.
Even Stalin was afraid of being overthrown, especially the days when oepration Barbarossa began and the news of german advance and collapse of the red army started to emerge. When they came for him on the morning of 22nd June 1941 he was certain that they were to take him out and shoot him. When that didn't happen it took him a few days to realize that others feared him more and took control.

[nivsy]

Originally Posted by Beamr

I must wonder, what is an N-reg Piper Malibu doing in Kiev currently? An unlikely sight on this day and age.

Yeah I saw that also...🤔

[NutLoose]

This is an interesting view, the Belarus troops could be used not to attack the capital but to come around behind the Ukrainian army.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world...oley-beheaded/

[Lordflasheart]

N-Reg Malibu

Nivsy & Beamr - N Reg Malibus get everywhere these days - The UK has some special tax, operations or maintenance category for UK based N-proxy something or other. Usual consumer warnings apply.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_E...er_PA-46_crash

LFH

[Beamr]

LFH, thanks, business as usual then as sir Nutty already tried to convince

[Beamr]

Supreme council of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada) is making fast legal changes to allow citizens to buy weapons more easily.
This should make it easier for citizens with determination to resist the aggressor.
Looking at the restrictions underneath it occurs that the soviet era NSV fits the bill quite nicely, if one happens to fancy protecting his/hers property from an aggressor.

Rada took a step towards the legalization of weapons
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine today, February 23, adopted in the first reading the bill "On the right to civilian firearms" No. 5708, which legalizes the right to purchase firearms for Ukrainians . 274 deputies voted for.

Article 7 of the bill provides for permission for citizens to own firearms and ammunition belonging to individuals and legal entities, except for:

• smooth-bore short-barreled firearms designed to fire cartridges;
• rifled weapons with a caliber greater than 12.7 mm, if the speed of its bullet exceeds 700 m/s;
• revolvers;
• long-barreled smooth-bore firearms with a caliber greater than 27 millimeters;
• overhead rifled barrels for smooth-bore firearms;
• armour-piercing, explosive or incendiary ammunition, as well as projectiles for such ammunition;
• ammunition, specially designed to enhance the penetrating and destructive effect.

https://ukraine.segodnya.ua/ukraine/...n-1604715.html

[Usertim]

I know wiki can be not the best source, but the article on UKR armed forces states:
'Ukraine and Nato estimate that 2.5 million tons of conventional ammunition were left in Ukraine as the Soviet military withdrew, as well as more than 7 million rifles, pistols, mortars, and machine guns. The surplus weapons and ammunition were stored in over 180 military bases, including in bunkers, salt mines and in the open. As of 2014, much of this surplus had not been scrapped.'

[ORAC]

Thought they already could….

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...l#post11174770

[Beamr]

Originally Posted by ORAC

Thought they already could….

https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...l#post11174770

Of course, but that .223 Remington is a bit of a toy compared to what will be available*, like the NSV with 12,7x108mm used as an AA machine gun.
Same caliber is used in some sniper rifles such as Zastava M93.

*based on the restrictions given in the article

[ORAC]

Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has warned Ukrainians not to visit Russia and urged all Ukrainians in Russia to leave immediately.

[ORAC]

There would seem, at the moment, no common ground for negotiation with Russia….

They seem t9 be following the Chinese meme in claim8ng that if it was ever Russia, it is forever Russia.

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[NutLoose]

I see you appear to suffer from Ipaditus as well.. It drives me nuts.

t9 claim8ng

[admikar]

Originally Posted by Beamr

Supreme council of Ukraine (Verkhovna Rada) is making fast legal changes to allow citizens to buy weapons more easily.
This should make it easier for citizens with determination to resist the aggressor.
Looking at the restrictions underneath it occurs that the soviet era NSV fits the bill quite nicely, if one happens to fancy protecting his/hers property from an aggressor.

Rada took a step towards the legalization of weapons
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine today, February 23, adopted in the first reading the bill "On the right to civilian firearms" No. 5708, which legalizes the right to purchase firearms for Ukrainians . 274 deputies voted for.

Article 7 of the bill provides for permission for citizens to own firearms and ammunition belonging to individuals and legal entities, except for:

• smooth-bore short-barreled firearms designed to fire cartridges;
• rifled weapons with a caliber greater than 12.7 mm, if the speed of its bullet exceeds 700 m/s;
• revolvers;
• long-barreled smooth-bore firearms with a caliber greater than 27 millimeters;
• overhead rifled barrels for smooth-bore firearms;
• armour-piercing, explosive or incendiary ammunition, as well as projectiles for such ammunition;
• ammunition, specially designed to enhance the penetrating and destructive effect.

https://ukraine.segodnya.ua/ukraine/...n-1604715.html

Strange, why would revolvers be banned?

[IAMCHUNKY]

Does anyone believe Putin will give a hoots about western sanctions?

[pasta]

Originally Posted by ORAC

They seem t9 be following the Chinese meme in claim8ng that if it was ever Russia, it is forever Russia.

Follow that back to its logical conclusion, and they should really be offering to return the Motherland to Turkey, or maybe Iran.

[NutLoose]

Originally Posted by admikar

Strange, why would revolvers be banned?

Probably because when all this sh*te is over one way or the other, you would not want every man and his dog walking around carrying concealed weapons.

[Beamr]

Originally Posted by admikar

Strange, why would revolvers be banned?

I have no definitive answer, I am considering the possibility of relating the term to rotary guns, of which there were lots of smaller caliber versions in the USSR.
By allowing up to 12,7mm rifled weapons releases the long distance powerful sniper rifles, but they probably want to deny the possession of eg GShG-7.62 with fire rate of up to 3500rpm.
All the other restrictions deny eg mortars, cannons, artillery and such so this would be rather obvious continuation to it.

Originally Posted by NutLoose

Probably because when all this sh*te is over one way or the other, you would not want every man and his dog walking around carrying concealed weapons.

Then the semi-automatics should be banned as well.

[ORAC]

Follow that back to its logical conclusion, and they should really be offering to return the Motherland to Turkey, or maybe Iran.

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