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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 17th Feb 2022, 21:40
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Originally Posted by tartare
Don't be ridiculous.
I value Oracs posts - she's pretty balanced and objective and has a service record to back her insights.
we all have a service record - it’s kind of in the forum title. It remains to be seen if she’s right, but I’ll await an apology when she isn’t.

I hope her service record was based on more than Twitter?
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 21:57
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An apology for what? reporting what’s happening on the ground and in the air?
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... more than Twitter ?
MGD - Very much more than Twitter, IIRC. ... AFC (or AFDO if you prefer) In the days before BSM - such a milllennial title (though no less important a job) don't you think ?

I always look for ORAC's posts to keep me up to date on important subjects, as invariably informative and inclusive. Mostly stuff I could never find for myself.

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Old 17th Feb 2022, 23:17
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=tartare;11185796]Don't be ridiculous.
I value Oracs posts - she's pretty balanced and objective and has a service record to back her insights.
Totally and utterly agree, I even go to the hassle described elsewhere to read her links.
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Old 17th Feb 2022, 23:26
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I did wonder if some of his troops relocation out of the “front” line were simply to R and R for those that have been on the front for a considerable time
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 06:48
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
Everything seems prepared. Fighters, attack helicopters, artillery pieces, troops, bridges, hospitals and blood supplies.
Putin has put everything in place for an invasion and of course he knows that the West see what is happening.

You then must ask why would he do this in the full knowledge that the eye in the sky is watching. Either it is an elaborate bluff or he is ready to rock.

He also undoubtedly knows about preparation fatigue. Troops cannot be ready to pounce for an indefinite time. He cannot tell the troops on the ground that they definitely will or won’t being going in, because it will leak…and they are all probably as scared and confused as we are. They have homes and families - a reality he cannot ignore indefinitely.

He has 2 options in my opinion- withdraw (maybe not immediately but at some point), or attack.

Here is the thing - and my wife is Russian born although not raised there but she has many relatives who are born, raised and live there so she knows their psyche… Putin would rather die than appear weak IHHO - he will roll the dice and attack.

My bet is Saturday. It will be grim, bloody and will not stay constrained in Ukraine. He cannot leave this earth without a determined attempt to bring Russia back to the force it was within the USSR. It will become WWIII in short order.

I would be utterly delighted to be wrong.
Any particular intel that makes you think it will be Saturday?
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 07:05
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What, you ma6 ask, does a BMD use a parachute for?

Like its predecessor, the BMD-4 is capable of parachuting from aircraft with the entire crew and passengers inside the vehicle which allows target engagement after landing to be instant. An Il-76 is able to transport two of these vehicles at a time in comparison to three BMD-1s and BMD-2s.”

Tula is the home air base for a regiment of IL-76 transport.


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Old 18th Feb 2022, 07:24
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Explorer
Any particular intel that makes you think it will be Saturday?
Latest Sunday when olympic ice hockey tournament will be over. (Just joking).

My bet is that Putin will try to attach left bank of Dnieper to Russia. First of all he needs to solve the unbearable problem with water for Crimea. Also if we look at his article from July 2021 as a manifest, this "Novorossiya" thing is the irreducible minimum he considers a true Russian territory. Remember the "corridor" to East Prussia Hitler demanded?

West will not intervene by military means other than sending arms to Kiev. Russia will try to subdue Ukraine by the means of hybrid war even after this hot war but will not try to control the western parts of the country because they've learned a lesson or two in Afghanistan and Chechnya. You can't win a war over territory where the population doesn't consider your culture as a desired value.



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Why stop there when Odessa and a land corridor to Transnistria is within reach?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 09:31
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My bet is that nothing will happen.
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 09:39
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Putin would rather die than appear weak
I think your good lady has the Russian psyche spot on for this individual.

As many have said, he's getting old, and this is his last spin of the wheel. Unless someone powerful is a position to dilute his ego, this will play out in blood.

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Old 18th Feb 2022, 10:28
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I think your good lady has the Russian psyche spot on for this individual.
As many have said, he's getting old, and this is his last spin of the wheel. Unless someone powerful is a position to dilute his ego, this will play out in blood.
Unless a way is found in which he can retreat without losing face/appearing weak.
a feat which would be called - Diplomacy
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 11:12
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On BBC News
  1. Russian President Vladimir Putin will oversee major military exercises on 19 February
  2. There will be ballistic and cruise missile launches, and tests to see how ready its nuclear armaments are, Russia says
  3. The drills are "fairly regular", says the Kremlin, and not an escalation of the standoff with Ukraine
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 11:18
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Commercial air traffic to/from Russia has up until now been routing over Ukraine - until this morning - could be an indication of something about to happen
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 12:28
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Moscow to Istanbul Pegasus A321 about to enter Ukraine airspace now.

Perhaps they were not on the circulation list

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Old 18th Feb 2022, 12:59
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Ominous….


https://www.rt.com/russia/549874-bre...on-evacuation/

Breakaway Ukrainian region orders evacuation

Ukrainian troops have been bolstered with arms supplies from Western nations and “are now prepositioned for combat and ready to take Donbass by force,” Denis Pushilin claimed in a statement on Friday, referring to his region and fellow breakaway entity, the Lugansk People’s Republic, by their collective name.

The Ukrainian rebels are expecting President Volodymyr Zelensky to order an offensive “in the nearest future.” Their military forces are prepared to fight, but civilians in rebel-controlled areas are at risk of being caught in the crossfire, the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic warned.

“That is why starting today, February 18, a mass evacuation of people to the Russian Federation has been organized,” he said, adding that vulnerable groups like women, children, and the elderly would be given priority.

Pushilin said Russian officials in the neighboring Rostov Region are expecting an inflow of evacuees and will provide them with what they need. There will be conditions at border crossings to expedite the process, he added. He urged people “to heed to the warning and take the right decision,” saying that the relocation would be temporary and would save lives.…..

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Old 18th Feb 2022, 13:13
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Lukashenko, who is in Russia, also talking about a potential conflict.

Lukashenko: "For the first time in 30 years we are on the edge of a conflict that will envelop the entire continent." Blames West for escalation.
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 13:31
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It is going to be very difficult to maintain the peace in a country with so many weapons and so many deep divisions. Diversity can quickly become divisions. Once sectarian violence gets started it is very difficult to stop . The opportunities for sectarian violence have not been so great since an orthodox assassin killed a high Catholic Duke in Sarajevo.
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Luhansk following the same line and evacuating civilians - both the clearing the way for troops to advance?

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Evacuation has begun…

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