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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 24th Feb 2022, 05:17
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Originally Posted by tartare
FT's Moscow chief saying Ukrainians have shot down five Russian aircraft and one helicopter.
the same is said on Ukraine24 per Ukrainian armed forces

https://ukraine.segodnya.ua/ukraine/...u-1604920.html
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 05:19
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Originally Posted by unmanned_droid
I had been watching Engels on ADS-B to see if anything showed up - but nothing did, unsurprisingly. I noted that civilian flights going towards the South were all diverted so I assume the bears went south to launch somewhere between Engels and Krasnodar/Stavropol. The whole area along the Georgian border was kept free.
I would agree. HF was very busy. Surprised that the Ukrainians weren't jamming their frequencies.

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Old 24th Feb 2022, 05:28
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Russia starting to use non-PGMs on Ukranian cities

They reportedly have/had low stocks of PGMs and may have already run out after their fits “shock and awe” attack wave.

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Old 24th Feb 2022, 05:43
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Looks like the remains of a KH-31/AS-17. Possibly an anti-radar version?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-31
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 05:49
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Reported aratroop on Kharkiv. Seems very high leaving them vulnerable to ground fire.

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Old 24th Feb 2022, 06:17
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ
https://twitter.com/breaknewsi/statu...14698917617669

Looks like the remains of a KH-31/AS-17. Possibly an anti-radar version?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-31
Yes, I would agree its a KH-31
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 06:23
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Reported aratroop on Kharkiv. Seems very high leaving them vulnerable to ground fire.

https://twitter.com/paulglitten/stat...219901954?s=21
I think this was posted earlier but disappeared. Comments consensus seems to be that its the work of air defence units. I wonder if what is heard firing in the background is that air defence unit. This makes more sense than the paratrooper theory - as stated elsewhere it seems like the worst planned paradrop ever.
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 06:52
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Russians on outskirts of Kharkiv. Not sure if that means they are surrounding and bypassing it till later or just awaiting troops for an urban assault.

Further roadblocks and geolocation confirmation further on in the thread.

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Old 24th Feb 2022, 06:56
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https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...sian-invasion/

Pentagon studying fallback supply lines to Ukraine in case of expanded Russian invasion
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 07:07
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 07:10
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Realistically what can the west do?
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 07:30
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Originally Posted by IAMCHUNKY
Realistically what can the west do?
Shake an angry fist.
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 07:41
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I think there's quite a lot the west can do, without firing a shot.
The question is the extent to which it's prepared to subject itself to economic pain.
Will Volkswagen be prepared to shut down it's plant in Kaluga?
Would the UK Government be prepared to confiscate private properties in London and freeze all Russian financial assets?
How about expropriating Abrahmovich's ownership of Chelsea - seizing his yacht?
How about stealing every single piece of Russian owned property, assets and roubles in our respective countries?
And on top of that - entirely locking them out of the Western Financial System?
As I said earlier - I'd be prepared to pay higher taxes and prices.

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Realistically what can the west do?
Quite a lot Tovarich and if you were really from Kernow you would know how to spell it properly!
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Sky showing footage of an attack at Mariupol airport. Seems to be a strike on a radar system so I would suspect an ARM.

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Old 24th Feb 2022, 08:10
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The ABC's Washington correspondent Sarah Ferguson, who is pretty astute, has just been on the telly here.
She says Biden is expected tomorrow to start preparing the US people for sanctions which will hurt the US economy and US hip-pockets.
Namely oil and gas sanctions and targeting more big more big Russian banks.
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Old 24th Feb 2022, 08:31
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Perhaps we really should have had a European Army to deal with things like this.................
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It sadly makes sense to fire at cities even if they do not strike them, the fleeing population will choke roads hampering the Ukrainian armies freedom of movement.

Hopes are with them all, stay safe.

The poor guy or gal whose damaged car is parked outside the Mariupol airport radar site is sadly probably dead now

Sanctions may help in the long term but in the short term will do squat and they are already being watered down, all the speeches about we will sanction the hell out of you if you step over the border is already reduced to smaller sanctions on this and that and will increase if you carry. Pathetic really.

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Old 24th Feb 2022, 08:32
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Perhaps a blockade of the Russian's only ice free port in the Baltic might help a little.

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