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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 13th Oct 2022, 22:15
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Russian media are now talking of carpet bombing Ukraine

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Old 13th Oct 2022, 22:21
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Turkey abstained….



For so long we’ve called on the world to call a spade a spade. Slowly but but surely, the world is finally realising the truth.

Today the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe 99 votes out of 100 has adopted a resolution calling the Russian Federation a terrorist regime
I do wonder if Turkey abstaining is more to do with brokering peace talks, you cannot really be independent if you are favouring one side.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 22:49
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BBC report about mobilized reservists from Chelyabinsk who fought in Kherson. They had to dig in with bayonets, never went to a shooting range, had to read instructions how to operate their weapons, hated their leadership, and sustained losses.
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just putting this out there (not suggesting all of what he says is factual or 100 % relevant) mainly the wiff of fear or being cowed
In reference to macrons comments
His reply maybe ill judged, an interview slip, but possibly telling. My point is he didn't need to say anything like that at all. It just conveys a weak link maybe when the other members of Nato are staying tight lipped with ambiguity of the true response, to possibly stop vlad from getting one of his Blackjacks (aviation Content) to nuke kherson or to a lesser extent keep ramping up the possibility of anything nuclear. be it a "test" snake island, Kara sea, underground...the moon


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Old 13th Oct 2022, 23:05
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Russian media are now talking of carpet bombing Ukraine
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...Cjrdur0-8rAAAA

Where would they find that many flokati rugs?
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 23:13
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He says they have stores full of the… probably the air part

Russian military parade, they manage to run over one of the troops with an 8 wheeler APC…


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Old 13th Oct 2022, 23:41
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Originally Posted by fdr
Where would they find that many flokati rugs?
1972. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II

oh the 50 year old Kissinger/Nixon playbook. i suppose when you've gone through plan a-z and your out of ideas, why now see whats worked before. only this isn't Vietnam, or 1972.
best get it over an done with and face the music, the rhetoric of the discussion should be out of these guys playbook.

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Old 14th Oct 2022, 00:16
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Originally Posted by ratpackgreenslug
The Mods are protecting you Nutty. With all your posts don't you think it's time to grow a backbone? Preferable I suspect for you to live in your bubble.
You have been asked to not personalize this.
If I have to intervene again, you will have worn out your welcome.
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 05:51
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Originally Posted by ORAC
There is rumours of a covert mobilisation in Belarus. For now unconfirmed.

BREAKING: The decision to conduct a "covert mobilization" in Belarus has been made, Sources tell Belarusian outlet Nasha Niva
On that note, Belarusian news agency Nexta reports that a "Anti-terrorist operation" has been announced due to threat of neighboring countries. Also reports in telegram of men under the age of 27 declined to leave the country.

Somethings cooking. Probably belarusian troops in their IFVs.


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Old 14th Oct 2022, 06:09
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Musk’s SpaceX says it can no longer pay for critical satellite services in Ukraine, asks Pentagon to pick up the tab

WashingtonCNN — Since they first started arriving in Ukraine last spring, the Starlink satellite internet terminals made by Elon Musk’s SpaceX have been a vital source of communication for Ukraine’s military, allowing it to fight and stay connected even as cellular phone and internet networks have been destroyed in its war with Russia.

So far roughly 20,000 Starlink satellite units have been donated to Ukraine, with Musk tweeting on Friday the “operation has cost SpaceX $80 million and will exceed $100 million by the end of the year.”

But those charitable contributions could be coming to an end, as SpaceX has warned the Pentagon that it may stop funding the service in Ukraine unless the US military kicks in tens of millions of dollars per month.

Documents obtained by CNN show that last month Musk’s SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon saying it can no longer continue to fund the Starlink service as it has. The letter also requested that the Pentagon take over funding for Ukraine’s government and military use of Starlink, which SpaceX claims would cost more than $120 million for the rest of the year and could cost close to $400 million for the next 12 months.

“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote to the Pentagon in the September letter.

Among the SpaceX documents sent to the Pentagon and seen by CNN is a previously unreported direct request made to Musk in July by the Ukrainian military’s commanding general, General Valerii Zaluzhniy, for almost 8,000 more Starlink terminals.

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Originally Posted by ORAC
Musk’s SpaceX says it can no longer pay for critical satellite services in Ukraine, asks Pentagon to pick up the tab

But those charitable contributions could be coming to an end, as SpaceX has warned the Pentagon that it may stop funding the service in Ukraine unless the US military kicks in tens of millions of dollars per month.
Documents obtained by CNN show that last month Musk’s SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon saying it can no longer continue to fund the Starlink service as it has. The letter also requested that the Pentagon take over funding for Ukraine’s government and military use of Starlink, which SpaceX claims would cost more than $120 million for the rest of the year and could cost close to $400 million for the next 12 months.
“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote to the Pentagon in the September letter.
There has been some interesting analysis done on the economics of Starlink... and the means by which it ever becomes economic seems to be elusive. Unicorn type elusive. Love what has been done with Falcon, the entry burn and landing burns are stunning concepts and implementation, but startling other than interfering with NEO tracking. It has made a difference in Ukraine "tho"...



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Originally Posted by Beamr
On that note, Belarusian news agency Nexta reports that a "Anti-terrorist operation" has been announced due to threat of neighboring countries. Also reports in telegram of men under the age of 27 declined to leave the country.

Somethings cooking. Probably belarusian troops in their IFVs.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1580793587893432321
About time Lukashenko's MFA recognised what Russia has become.
What??/
Not Putin???
Really?
Ukraine?
Really?
Oh well, go n' tell gramma she has some more trade for sunflower seeds....


Seriously tho, Belarus is as likely to have it's troops turn the noisy bits of their barrels towards the east as much as to the south.

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Old 14th Oct 2022, 08:08
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
He says they have stores full of the… probably the air part

Russian military parade, they manage to run over one of the troops with an 8 wheeler APC…
it’s an old video. On the daily mail website from 2014. Even has the blokes names
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gets-feet.html
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 09:35
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Not a happy chappie,


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Originally Posted by ORAC
Musk’s SpaceX says it can no longer pay for critical satellite services in Ukraine, asks Pentagon to pick up the tab

WashingtonCNN — Since they first started arriving in Ukraine last spring, the Starlink satellite internet terminals made by Elon Musk’s SpaceX have been a vital source of communication for Ukraine’s military, allowing it to fight and stay connected even as cellular phone and internet networks have been destroyed in its war with Russia.

So far roughly 20,000 Starlink satellite units have been donated to Ukraine, with Musk tweeting on Friday the “operation has cost SpaceX $80 million and will exceed $100 million by the end of the year.”

But those charitable contributions could be coming to an end, as SpaceX has warned the Pentagon that it may stop funding the service in Ukraine unless the US military kicks in tens of millions of dollars per month.

Documents obtained by CNN show that last month Musk’s SpaceX sent a letter to the Pentagon saying it can no longer continue to fund the Starlink service as it has. The letter also requested that the Pentagon take over funding for Ukraine’s government and military use of Starlink, which SpaceX claims would cost more than $120 million for the rest of the year and could cost close to $400 million for the next 12 months.

“We are not in a position to further donate terminals to Ukraine, or fund the existing terminals for an indefinite period of time,” SpaceX’s director of government sales wrote to the Pentagon in the September letter.

Among the SpaceX documents sent to the Pentagon and seen by CNN is a previously unreported direct request made to Musk in July by the Ukrainian military’s commanding general, General Valerii Zaluzhniy, for almost 8,000 more Starlink terminals.
Elon Musk bashing is quite popular at the moment. It does beg the question though. Who is paying for the military equipment being given to Ukraine? I assume it to be the US government. Therefore is it not consistent that government also pay SpaceX for their equipment too?
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 09:48
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How do you carpet bomb Ukraine without losing all of your shiny bombers to SAM and MANPADS?
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 09:57
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How do you carpet bomb Ukraine without losing all of your shiny bombers to SAM and MANPADS?
Since accuracy is not important, from a height.
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 09:57
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Originally Posted by Ohrly
How do you carpet bomb Ukraine without losing all of your shiny bombers to SAM and MANPADS?
The talking heads have no clue of that.
And your point is even more valid as Ukraine is beginning to get more and better AA assets (eg. the latest western tech like IRIS-T SLM, NASAMS etc). Not to mention that Ukraine still has a combat capable air force.

Would be nice to see a Mig29 against a Bear though
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 10:02
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Russian media are now talking of carpet bombing Ukraine



https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/s...Cjrdur0-8rAAAA
Well, at least they are moving away from the nukes idea

Seriously though, do they honestly think that the world would ignore Russia carpet bombing an entire country? The sheer idiocy of these media people makes you question their mental status. I think that Moscow would be flattened within hours.
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Old 14th Oct 2022, 10:39
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Since accuracy is not important, from a height.
The Buk allegedly goes up to 80,000 ft, similar for the S-300. Unless they plan to do this from MiG-31s, it may take a while though.
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