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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 20th Aug 2022, 03:35
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Who put that bloody cellar there..

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Old 20th Aug 2022, 03:37
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Originally Posted by magyarflyer
plinking the trucks in a nuclear power plant? Did you see the video from inside the power plant showing the military material stored inside? Are you serious?
reality has become a fiction to you
Especially as they are reported to be full of explosive.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 04:09
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I fort the nuclear plant was designed to be so strong as to be able to be hit by an airliner and still hold it's structural integrity.
Am I missing something here?
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 04:11
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The fact that explosions in Crimea - a place previously considered to be well beyond the reach of any Ukrainian attack - were watched by thousands of Russian tourists, many of whom have since fled Crimea back into Russia, has had a psychological effect in Moscow, officials told the media.
That reads like the Ukrainians chose the time to attack not just to hit the airbase, but to coordinate it with the height of the holiday season to cause the maximum effect at home when the shocked fleeing tourists would return to the likes of Moscow, there was no way of controlling nor keeping a lid on that story, all their false stories being shown on the Russian news channels would be shown for what they are.

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Old 20th Aug 2022, 04:15
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Originally Posted by tartare
I fort the nuclear plant was designed to be so strong as to be able to be hit by an airliner and still hold it's structural integrity.
Am I missing something here?
The Twin Towers were designed to withstand a 707 direct hit, says it all really.

It all depends on what is hit and where, take out the reactor cooling and you have problems, containment integrity or not. Plus you also have the stored waste in water tanks.

says it all really

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Old 20th Aug 2022, 04:48
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Originally Posted by Usertim
At the point where someone blows up 6 reactor cores and knowingly dumps millions of bequerels of radiation over western europe do you not think that is already full conflict?
I would definitely expect Art.5 activation to be requested by all those NATO eastern europe countries.
Let us hope it does not come to that.
If 6 reactor cores are blown then, yes, I would agree. But Putin is sly and I would suspect something much smaller but which still carried a great threat and which Putin would then try to use as some form of negotiating lever.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 06:12
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A UAV struck the Black Sea Fleet’s headquarters in Sevastopol, according to Crimean officials.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 06:40
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Originally Posted by etudiant
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Imho, the Maidan revolution transformed the situation for Russia, a previously friendly country became hostile. When the facts change, countries adjust their policies, else they fail, gradually or rapidly.
Russia's reaction was entirely predictable and was in fact predicted by most of the US foreign policy veterans who had experience in Russia. Unfortunately they were ignored.
You simply ignore the fact that nations want freedom. In your logic the bloody crushing of Hungary in 1956 was "predictable". In your logic the invasion to Czechoslovakia in 1968 was "predictable". Chechnya, Transnistria, Georgia, Ukraine all of them are supposed to be raped and subdued because Putin wants to be like tzar and no nation in the Russian zone of interest has any right to be independent and allied to defend itself from Russian aggression.

So I translate your thinking to the rest of the forum – anyone resisting Russian imperialism needs "denazification" and Russia has every right to invade, kill, rape and turn cities into rubble.

The time when Stalin and Hitler (and other dictators alike) agreed on marking the lands which they grabbed under their rule is over. We are lucky that your "foreign policy veterans" were ignored, now is the time to teach Russians a lesson.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 06:43
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On aviation matters, whatever happened to the fleets of Russian AN2s we saw back in February?
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 06:47
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“This appears to be the first visual confirmation of a long-range #ATACMS rocket on M142 #HIMARS chassis, spotted on the road somewhere in #Ukraine.”
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 06:48
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The latest defence package from the US has TOW listed ! Is this the first time ? Also noticed they are officially announcing additional harms as well

Missiles for HIMARS;
16 105-mm howitzers and 36,000 shells for them;
15 Scan Eagle drones;
40 MRAP vehicles;
HARM anti-radar missiles;
TOW anti-tank missile systems;
1,000 Javelin;
2,000 armor-piercing shells.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 07:12
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Originally Posted by tartare
I fort the nuclear plant was designed to be so strong as to be able to be hit by an airliner and still hold it's structural integrity.
Am I missing something here?
I believe its 3rd generation reactors that have passive safety features built into them that make them relatively safe to external "attacks" to the structure eg via missile or aircraft impact. The ones built in the Arabian gulf post 9/11 had a lot of though put into this aspect for obvious reasons. Still, i assume that the operative word here is "relatively" safe...

Edit: Can't find a definitive reference, but given the dates of commissioning, I assume Zaporizhzhia NPP is a 2nd generation plant.

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Old 20th Aug 2022, 07:32
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It seems HARM missiles are in fact adjusted to use on Mig-29 already: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ation-missiles

Per this article Ukrainian pilots learn how to do a brrrrrt: https://time.com/6207115/ukraine-tra...pilots-russia/
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 07:36
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Originally Posted by Paul C
On aviation matters, whatever happened to the fleets of Russian AN2s we saw back in February?
apparently being filled with HE and used as suicide drones. But, it is stated that as they need approx 2 years to do it they will not be seen in action anytime soon. Unless Putin goes Kamikaze of course and sends pilots on suicide missions. ...imagine Russia telling some poor fella from siberia that congrats, you have been made a pilot. Only take off training required.

https://en.defence-ua.com/industries...tion-3732.html
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 08:29
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Love the end statement lol

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Old 20th Aug 2022, 08:49
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A very good read, to long to copy here

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-russ.../31990607.html
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 09:14
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Interesting video to watch

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Old 20th Aug 2022, 10:10
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Very good video that.
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Old 20th Aug 2022, 10:23
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Originally Posted by etudiant
fdr,

Imho, the Maidan revolution transformed the situation for Russia, a previously friendly country became hostile. When the facts change, countries adjust their policies, else they fail, gradually or rapidly.
Russia's reaction was entirely predictable and was in fact predicted by most of the US foreign policy veterans who had experience in Russia. Unfortunately they were ignored.
The disaster we now face was entirely avoidable, a little sense of putting yourself into the other guy's shoes would have done the trick.

Pontificating about the unprovoked assault on Ukraine while ignoring the post Maidan civil war in Donbas is rewriting history.
Likewise, claiming all the responsibility was from Putin's 'little green men' is convenient, but unsupported by the evidence from independent observers
Ukraine is, was, and hopefully will remain a free and democratic state, unpolluted by the corruption that resides in the Kremlin and which has done harm to Russia's interests, even yours.

Maidan was action within the rights of an independent state to show objection to a puppet dancing to the strings played by Putin. Like the last dictator of Europe. That the puppet fled is on the puppet and his master, who was happy interfering in an independent state;
not a matter for Russia..As far as I understand Russia is a state within its defined borders, or does it also claim to cover Seoul, Tokyo or any other location that it sees fit as it is an aggressor nation? Russia signed the Alma Ata protocols which expressly pledged for them to keep their vodka breath out of all other former USSR states that were signatories to the same contract. Russia as always disregards its obligations. Just because you object to democratic processes playing out next door does not give you the right to commit genocide.

Or maybe I'm old school.



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Old 20th Aug 2022, 10:33
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Very good video that.
Concur. He and his comrades did a fine job.
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