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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 29th Jul 2022, 11:17
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Further on the "murder" of the prisoners.
The Red Cross visited them, see first link, so the position of the prision would be known to Ukraine, therefore I do not believe Ukraine would strike it.


Second shows the prison post strike BEWARE CHARRED BODIES AND CORPSES SHOWN, but I agree with the sentiments it was probably the Russians that did it to hide their atrocities, though the locals said they heard no explosions.. These are simply my views.

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Old 29th Jul 2022, 11:31
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GeoConfirmed.

Last known location (for now) of the Russian soldier who mutilated an Ukrainian POW.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 12:23
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North Macedonia decided to donate its tanks to Ukraine - this was confirmed by the country's Ministry of Defense.
Macedonia possesses ~30 T-72A tanks, with at least 8 of them known to be currently being transported to Ukraine.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 12:36
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ry/ar-AA105Yh2

BELGRADE (Reuters) - North Macedonia plans to donate an unspecified number of Soviet-era tanks to Ukraine as it seeks to modernise its own military to meet NATO standards, its defence ministry said on Friday.

In a statement, the ministry said Ukraine will receive tanks belonging to the western Balkan country's tank battalion which is in the process of being upgraded.

"Taking into account this situation and the requirements of the Ukrainian defence ministry, the government has decided that a certain quantity of these (tank) capacities will be donated to Ukraine, in line with its needs," the statement said.

The ministry did not specify the number of tanks, but it said they belonged to the so called third generation of main battle tanks from the 1970s and 1980s that have composite armour and computer-stabilised firing control systems.

North Macedonia, an ex-Yugoslav republic, is a NATO member and candidate to join the European Union. It has, like other Western countries, already donated military equipment to Ukraine since the Russian invasion in February.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 12:42
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UK MLRS and Spartan in action

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Old 29th Jul 2022, 14:13
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About that video.

There is a 'sequel' . The mutilated Ukraine prisoner of war is then graphically shot in the head , and then towed around by rope attached to a truck.

I don't know how anyone else reacts , but I donated significantly to UaF this morning.

Slava Ukraine
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 16:30
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Originally Posted by Usertim
About that video.

There is a 'sequel' . The mutilated Ukraine prisoner of war is then graphically shot in the head , and then towed around by rope attached to a truck.

I don't know how anyone else reacts , but I donated significantly to UaF this morning.

Slava Ukraine
I am lost for words as to how 1 human can do this to another. That said, I am certain this will not be an isolated occurence - atrocities are unfortunately part of war, but the Russians do seem particularly partial to them.

How long can we just stand by and watch this? Sending weapons is simply not enough anymore. Russia will not stop until they are stopped. On a separate thread, U.S Speaker Pelosi is now reportedly unlikely to visit Taiwan during her upcoming Asia trip, due to overt threats from China. We are seeing the rampant rise of authoritarian regimes as the rest of the world allows it to happen.

The second we let China, Russia et al define the rules, we have lost. I personally fear this all the prelude to a major World War - there is just too much kindling around and too many people running around with lighters...
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
I am lost for words as to how 1 human can do this to another. That said, I am certain this will not be an isolated occurence - atrocities are unfortunately part of war, but the Russians do seem particularly partial to them.

How long can we just stand by and watch this? Sending weapons is simply not enough anymore. Russia will not stop until they are stopped. On a separate thread, U.S Speaker Pelosi is now reportedly unlikely to visit Taiwan during her upcoming Asia trip, due to overt threats from China. We are seeing the rampant rise of authoritarian regimes as the rest of the world allows it to happen.

The second we let China, Russia et al define the rules, we have lost. I personally fear this all the prelude to a major World War - there is just too much kindling around and too many people running around with lighters...
This is just self righteous bull**** imho.
Of course it is hideous and even bestial behavior.
So how is it different from the well regarded earlier post of a lady who fed her Russian occupiers doctored cherries in order to try to burn them alive when they fled to the outhouse...
Ukraine is an incredibly ugly war and getting more so, as civil wars usually do. Look up the Spanish civil war, very similarly to Ukraine a testing ground for new weapons,, you will get a glimpse.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 16:58
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If you cannot see the difference between a Ukrainian woman fighting back against ARMED troops to help liberate her land and country, and that of troops torturing and mutilating surrendered unarmed prisoners of war then you seriously need to get your head looked at.

Nuremberg and the trials post WW2 brought most of those type of cases to justice, and they hung for it, perhaps we need a similar outcome post this war.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
If you cannot see the difference between a Ukrainian woman fighting back against ARMED troops to help liberate her land and country, and that of troops torturing and mutilating surrendered unarmed prisoners of war then you seriously need to get your head looked at.

Nuremberg and the trials post WW2 brought most of those type of cases to justice, and they hung for it, perhaps we need a similar outcome post this war.
You've seen too many movies, war is hell, as Sherman correctly observed. The process of brutalizing everyone involved is very obvious in any war..
How careful do you think the Russians who survived the 'Ukrainian women fighting back' are likely to be about Ukrainian civilian casualties in the future? I'd guess very little, so then you have another war crime.
Nuremberg was justice of a sort, but it was very uneven.
For example, the leaders of the Japanese germ warfare unit 731, which killed many Russians as well as thousands of Chinese in their experiments got a pass in exchange for their experimental protocols, despite vehement Russian objections. They prospered as heads of 'Green Cross' , a Japanese pharmaceutical firm , after WW2.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
This is just self righteous bull**** imho.
Of course it is hideous and even bestial behavior.
So how is it different from the well regarded earlier post of a lady who fed her Russian occupiers doctored cherries in order to try to burn them alive when they fled to the outhouse...
Ukraine is an incredibly ugly war and getting more so, as civil wars usually do. Look up the Spanish civil war, very similarly to Ukraine a testing ground for new weapons,, you will get a glimpse.
Are you for real? How can you you compare an elderly lady defending her home from armed invaders and an unarmed PoW being savagely tortured and murdered by an out of control, undisciplined, second rate bunch of cowardly criminals acting on behalf of a psychotic ‘head of state’?

You are trying to justify the unjustified.
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Originally Posted by etudiant
This is just self righteous bull**** imho.
Of course it is hideous and even bestial behavior.
So how is it different from the well regarded earlier post of a lady who fed her Russian occupiers doctored cherries in order to try to burn them alive when they fled to the outhouse...
Ukraine is an incredibly ugly war and getting more so, as civil wars usually do. Look up the Spanish civil war, very similarly to Ukraine a testing ground for new weapons,, you will get a glimpse.
You mistake an invasion for a civil war?
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The co-conspirators with Guy Faulkes had their genitals cut off before they were hanged. That was only just over 400 years ago. The cruelty of the Middle Ages has dragged on in some places…
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All these NATO countries upgrading their kit. Are the expecting the inevitable war with Russia?
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 17:50
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Originally Posted by etudiant
This is just self righteous bull**** imho.
Of course it is hideous and even bestial behavior.
So how is it different from the well regarded earlier post of a lady who fed her Russian occupiers doctored cherries in order to try to burn them alive when they fled to the outhouse...
Ukraine is an incredibly ugly war and getting more so, as civil wars usually do. Look up the Spanish civil war, very similarly to Ukraine a testing ground for new weapons,, you will get a glimpse.
​​​​​​Personally I quite enjoy reading this nonsense from you and your ilk. From once boasting about Russia's so-called invincible army, all you do now is whine 'it's not fair' and dribble about ancient history. It's very encouraging.
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Ukraine is an incredibly ugly war and getting more so, as civil wars usually do.
This isn't a civil war......

You're the one spouting bull**** if you think it is.
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There are posts I read and there are those I ignore. Simples.
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
This isn't a civil war......

You're the one spouting bull**** if you think it is.
Totally agree, except it is not a "war" officially ................ or has Putin conceded the fact?
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 18:08
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Intelligence: Russia’s Wagner Group behind attack on Olenivka penal colony.

According to Ukraine’s Intelligence, the attack was ordered by Yevgeny Prigozhin, the owner of the Russian-controlled private military Wagner Group and wasn't coordinated with Russia's military command
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Which is also what Churchill wanted (backed up by the threat of the bomb) but Truman didn't want to upset our former allies
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