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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 31st Jul 2022, 17:49
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
That order was for 30 000 pcs costing E 63 000 0000 (E 2 100 pc )

There was a further order placed in 2019 with Rheinmetall for another 32 000 pcs with a value of E 109 000 000 ( E 3 400 per pc ) I'm unsure if that's expensive or not. The special aspect of the shell is that the explosive is very resistant to exploding other than when fired, so protects crew against sympathetic explosion in SPG. The twitter link says that the problem is due to the shell sliding backwards under its own weight after loading when the barrel is elevated, which seems to indicate a problem of incorrect manufacturing tolerances, which seems inexplicable especially since this SPG was first produced in 1996.
USA is paying $300 per 155mm shell this year. So more than 10x, is expensive. I appreciate insensitive munitions are more expensive but thats taking the pee.
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:01
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Real life isn't a video game. Article V protections aren't some "if this then that - automatically" idiot switch.
Incredibly patronising but I'll let it slide.

So, in your humble opinion, what would constitute an actionable Article 5 breach/attack?

When is an attack on a member of NATO actually an attack on a member of NATO?
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:10
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More than two dozen destroyed enemy tanks, half a hundred more heavy equipment and more than 300 liquidated rocket launchers. Attack pilot Oleksandr Kukurba instilled real terror in the occupiers. During his lifetime, he received the highest state award - the Gold Star of the Hero of Ukraine. With the beginning of a full-scale invasion, he took on the most difficult tasks and actually lived in an airplane. But the hundredth combat sortie for the deputy squadron commander was the last. What he was like - see.

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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:15
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Hence we are back to I cannot understand why Russian visa's have not been cancelled in the west.. I expect to see more of the accidents.
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:19
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Originally Posted by The Helpful Stacker
Incredibly patronising but I'll let it slide.

So, in your humble opinion, what would constitute an actionable Article 5 breach/attack?

When is an attack on a member of NATO actually an attack on a member of NATO?
Obvious, I think. When the North Atlantic Council says it is.
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:30
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Switching from the ammunition dumps, now in short supply, to the railways and supply trains…

Advisor to the Minister of Internal Affairs Anton Gerashchenko announced a HIMARS GMLRS attack on a 40 car Russian Ammo train at Kherson railway station the night of 29/30 July 2022.



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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:31
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Meanwhile….

Anatoly Chubays- Putin's adviser who left Russia in what was seen as a protest against the war - is in serious condition with a “rare immune disorder”, people close to him report.

Ksenia Sobchak reports experts in hazmat suits arrived to pick him up after he fell ill.
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:41
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Russia is celebrating Navy day and look what was found on a poster in Tyumen – Nimitz class carrier. I couldn't stop laughing...


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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:47
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Pali
Russia is celebrating Navy day and look what was found on a poster in Tyumen – Nimitz class carrier. I couldn't stop laughing...
I suppose photos of a Russian carrier that hasn't got a crane shaped hole in it and isn't on fire are hard to come by.
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 22:23
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Meanwhile….



Anatoly Chubays- Putin's adviser who left Russia in what was seen as a protest against the war - is in serious condition with a “rare immune disorder”, people close to him report.

Ksenia Sobchak reports experts in hazmat suits arrived to pick him up after he fell ill.
Peculiar if true, Guillaume Barre is not infectious afaik.
Maybe fears of polonium poisoning?
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 23:50
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Navy day in Crimea cancelled. Mystifying
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Old 31st Jul 2022, 23:56
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Navy day in Crimea cancelled. Mystifying
Maybe not, a fleet parade would be a shooting gallery for a cruise missile strike.
Better cancellation on a plausible pretext than a massive embarrassment.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 06:05
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Russia is celebrating Navy day and look what was found on a poster in Tyumen – Nimitz class carrier. I couldn't stop laughing...

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/st...34398712987648

Russia Navy Day. A tradition of "excellence" in self-destruction since the Russian 2nd Baltic Fleet's fabulous adventure to Port Arthur in 1904.

Alex also shows this oldie...







Putin in happier times, chatting to the families of the Kursk Submarine. Putin is happy as he isn't giving away Lada Niva's like jelly beans at that time.




Kursk in high drag configuration


K-29... own goal



A Hiroshima Class boat, off on its last voyage, but sank, killing 9 of 10 on board. (K-159)



Latest fashion in apartments in Murmansk.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 09:07
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Putin in happier times, chatting to the families of the Kursk Submarine. Putin is happy as he isn't giving away Lada Niva's like jelly beans at that time.
I wonder which would rot first, the son or the Lada.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 09:19
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Ammunition storage area, owned by company with a history of supplying Ukraine, experienced a small explosion and a fire this morning. Suspicion of Russian involvement, if so they failed to trigger a major explosion.

Site now being inspected by drones to see if it is safe to enter.

If Russia explosives are shown to have been used it will be the first Russian attack on NATO territory during the war.



https://bnr.bg/en/post/101684253/fir...lties-reported
Gebrev says the storage facility's alarm system registered a breach and unauthorized entry minutes before the explosion. We'll be keeping an eye on these developments, as at this point an accidental explosion is quite unlikely.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Emilian...ed_query&f=top
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 11:52
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I suppose it makes sense, let them waste resources repairing the bridge before hitting it again, though that crane does look tempting.


Russian ferry system in use


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Old 1st Aug 2022, 11:59
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Smile Motivation and Dronation!

Footage on Twitter (via the Christo Grozev link above) of Ukrainian servicemen in hospital, and one on leave being re-united with his daughter, sent me to the United24 website. This now features Dronation, where one may send a drone or funds to buy one. Brilliant marketing!

United24 is a central point for various aid options, military and humanitarian. As always, I did my own checks on the website's safety & reputation before paying, lest there be Russian interference.

The way the Internet is enabling the Ukrainian aid effort is one of its greatest benefits, IMO.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 12:09
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Seeing as most of Russia's Black Sea fleet has b*ggered off to Novorosssiysk and other ports on their 'mainland', makes one wonder if the reported drone attack was yet more BS propaganda? Still, it would have been fun to have seen what ships they fielded...and whether Ukraine planned some of their own fireworks.

Regarding "the" bridge, I reckon its only a matter of time before the Ukrainians drop a span.
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