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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 26th Jul 2022, 23:53
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Clearer images of yesterday's (26/07) strike on the Antonovsky Bridge:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:21
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Clearer images of yesterday's (26/07) strike on the Antonovsky Bridge:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
It took me a moment to get the humor of the video title, but I guess I'm getting old. Are the strikes artillery or HIMARS? The damage looks like artillery.......
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:44
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Ukraine has published a list of 'Pro Russian Propagandists' here: https://cpd.gov.ua/reports/спікери-я...#1088;о/

Apart from the usual suspects such as John Mearsheimer and Scott Ritter, it includes Tulsi Gabbard as well as Sen Rand Paul. Jeffrey Sachs also gets the tagged, as does Kim Dotcom.
Not sure how this list was compiled, but it does indicate a very broad definition of an 'enemy'. Seems counterproductive to me.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 00:55
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Either way, they want to lob a couple into the local cement plant too.
With them having patched bits, if the new hits are anywhere near they will be unsure just how strong the structure actually is.
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 01:29
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Originally Posted by etudiant
Ukraine has published a list of 'Pro Russian Propagandists' here: https://cpd.gov.ua/reports/спікери-я...#1088;о/
Apart from the usual suspects such as John Mearsheimer and Scott Ritter, it includes Tulsi Gabbard as well as Sen Rand Paul.
The difference between being pro Russian (or Pro-Ukranian for that mater) and anti-foreign-entanglement is utterly lost on most non-Americans.
Rand Paul's dad, a populist, voted against the Iraq War. Rand Paul is taking a similar populist stand, as is Gabbard.
What is utterly false is the assertion of there only being a dichotomy; there is room for there to be points of view other than the binary assertion of one of the combatants. (See the Point of View of India, which we mentioned a few pages back, or of the many non aligned countries who worry about grain exports from Ukrain and Russia drying up).

Sure, from the Ukrainian point of view it makes sense for them to see all things as "you are for us or you are against us" - which is just the same attitude as GW Bush took about the War on Terror. His Manichean view came in for plenty of criticism as being too narrow.
(Granted, there is some difference here as W's country was not being invaded).
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Old 27th Jul 2022, 04:33
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Ukrainian officials claim that US has earmarked $100M for training Ukrainian pilots to fly US made fast jets.

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More footage from Kherson tonight shows at least 8 artillery strikes on the Antonivsky bridge tonight.

Antonovskiy bridge attack update - Eyewitnesses say the bridge was attacked with at least 10 projectiles while a large number of Russian troops where on it or near it.Many wounded & killed. Extreme chaotic & tense situation. No confirmation that it collapsed yet

Ukrainian MP saying that Ukr counteroffensive in Kherson area is underway

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Old 27th Jul 2022, 06:25
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The difference between being pro Russian (or Pro-Ukranian for that mater) and anti-foreign-entanglement is utterly lost on most non-Americans.
The difference is not lost at all (it's a little bit arrogant to presume that only Americans can be anti-foreign entanglement). The fact these particular Americans are evidently pro Russian, or rather pro Putin, is based not just in their current stance on Ukraine but on their statements and behaviours on the subject throughout the Trump years. That it is exclusively Republicans that consistently vote against military aid to Ukraine demonstrates that this is ideologically driven, as I would wager there are more than a few Democrasts who are anti interventionist by nature.

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https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...altic-defense/

Latvia requests HIMARS weapon to bolster Baltic defense

WARSAW, Poland — Latvia has sent a letter of request to buy an undisclosed number of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems from the United States, with the potential acquisition to be carried out as a joint initiative of the three Baltic states, which also include neighboring Estonia and Lithuania.

“The MoD has sent a letter of request to the U.S. about the availability and prices of HIMARS,” a spokesperson for the Latvian Ministry of Defence told Defense News. “This is a joint project of the Baltic States, and the MoD expects the U.S. to support it with co-financing.”….

In addition to HIMARS, Riga aims to purchase coastal defense missile systems and is currently evaluating submitted offers. The country is also considering the purchase of midrange air defense systems.

“Regarding coastal defense systems, the MoD has received offers from potential suppliers. During market research, an analysis of these offers has been carried out, as well as additional information has been requested for further evaluation,” the spokesperson said……

In June, during a meeting between U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and his counterparts from the Baltic states, Lithuanian Defence Minister Ardyvas Anušauskas said the three European countries were planning to order the Lockheed Martin-made HIMARS this year.

“Together with the Latvian and Estonian allies we are looking into developing a HIMARS artillery rocket system capability. Lithuania plans signing a corresponding contract before the end of this year,” Anušauskas said, as quoted in a statement released by his ministry.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
More footage from Kherson tonight shows at least 8 artillery strikes on the Antonivsky bridge tonight.



Antonovskiy bridge attack update - Eyewitnesses say the bridge was attacked with at least 10 projectiles while a large number of Russian troops where on it or near it.Many wounded & killed. Extreme chaotic & tense situation. No confirmation that it collapsed yet

Ukrainian MP saying that Ukr counteroffensive in Kherson area is underway
Surprising that there is no real confirmation about this yet. I have seen on telegram a russian source video https://t.me/hueviyherson/22886 showing an intact bridge , but carefully only shows centre section , and also this picture of the southern end https://i.redd.it/ccz94vce92e91.jpg , which if not fake looks quite serious.

This also from Russian side , which looks significant https://t.me/hueviyherson/22891

I do know that the russians are not letting the local populace anywhere near the bridge at the moment.
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Originally Posted by Usertim
Surprising that there is no real confirmation about this yet. I have see on telgram a russian source video showing an intact bridge , but carefully only shows centre section , and also this picture https://i.redd.it/ccz94vce92e91.jpg , which if not fake looks quite serious.

I do know that the russians are not letting the local populace anywhere near the bridge at the moment.
Apparently theres a complete media blackout

but this is a claimed overhead

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYqCWX2XoAAHw4X?format=jpg&name=medium

another unconfirmed
video
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...le_by_vehicle/

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Yup, more on the film shown above here

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/27/7360414/


A video of the Antonivka Road Bridge, which the invaders have closed to traffic due to damage after a night strike by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, has been released into the public domain.
The bridge is "full of holes", and in some places it is completely perforated.

The Ukrainian fighters hit virtually the same part of the road surface on the bridge as last time. "Now the only way to escape is on foot or by water," commented the Ukrainian Armed Forces' StratCom on the prospects of the Russian invaders.
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Yup, more on the film shown above here

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/27/7360414/
The - now lost - report I read about the Ukrainian intentions towards the bridge said that the aim was to damage the bridge so that it wouldn't be able to carry armour, but could still allow passage by trucks bringing food to feed the city :an amazingly narrow window to aim at. If the bridge is now impassable, how will the city of 280 000 be provisioned ?
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If true it's showing the confusion the Russians are suffering from in the Kherson region.

"Around noon, three [Russian] Ka-52 [helicopters] struck their own troops instead of the Ukrainian forces they intended to strike. In response, they were struck by Russian air defence equipment on their return from the mission. As a result, the enemy has extended us this gesture of good will, destroying one of their own Ka-52 attack [helicopter]. There were no losses on our side," the operational command reports.
Russian air defence has shot down a Russian Ka-52 helicopter in Kherson Oblast.

Source: General Staff of Ukrainian Armed Forces on Facebook

Quote: "Yesterday, three Russian Ka-52s [helicopters -ed.] intended to attack our units in the Kherson region, but... they hit their own.On their way back, the invaders' helicopters came under ‘friendly’ fire opened by frightened air defence squads of the Russian troops.

Russian air defence has never been particularly known for its accuracy, so the invaders shot down only one out of their three Ka-52 attack helicopters."
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/27/7360369/

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/27/7360371/
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
The - now lost - report I read about the Ukrainian intentions towards the bridge said that the aim was to damage the bridge so that it wouldn't be able to carry armour, but could still allow passage by trucks bringing food to feed the city :an amazingly narrow window to aim at. If the bridge is now impassable, how will the city of 280 000 be provisioned ?
There is the dam bridge that was hit all along one side and the rail bridge?
Hitting it again I suppose tells them why waste energy repairing it as we will simply deconstruct it again.
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There is the dam bridge that was hit all along one side and the rail bridge?
Hitting it again I suppose tells them why waste energy repairing it as we will simply deconstruct it again.
The bridge with 6 hits on one side is the Inhulets River bridge @Davrika . The Dam Bridge, or more accurately the small 20 meter bridge over the lock passage @ Nova Kakhova is the one that had a couple of hits with the videos of people filling it in with some beams and concrete ( you can see the HEP buildings in the background).

I don't know what they will do with the rail bridge in East Kerson city , but I saw a few reports that was also hit last night. The Inhulets river bridge essentially is the only link between the two halves of the russian occupied area north of the Dnipr. So they will definitely want that down..
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The problem from the Ukrainian side is while it thwarts any attempts from the Russians to bolster the troops inside the city, it also thwarts their attempts once the city has fallen to press forward across the river. A bit of a double edged sword.
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Dont know if it was a contract or non binding MOU, but SK and Poland a deal today

180 K2, 48 K9's, 48 FA-50 all delivery starting this year

800 K2PL, 690 K9PL, (localised models/construction starting 2026)

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...0_fighter.html
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
There is the dam bridge that was hit all along one side and the rail bridge?
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The dam bridge - which has also suffered damage - is 70 km further away and only single-carriageway vs the dual-carriageway of the Antonovsky bridge. There is also the matter that the Russians are probably putting their military supplies on trucks now - after the attacks on the very large, rail-linked centralised supply depots - and they will presumably be giving them priority for road space. I think the supply situation risks becoming difficult for all. Given the symbolic importance of Kherson to the Russians as the only major city taken without being flattened as Mariupol was, I think it's a real toss-up how they will react. The following link talks about the importance of all three bridges


https://news.storyua.com/news/33577.html
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I've just about read it all now... We invade your country, we rape and murder your population, we destroy your cities and it's going great........... and then all of a sudden it isn't, so what do you do?
You go to the UN and ask them to put an embargo on the weaponary being supplied to Ukraine, so you can get back to the business of raping and pillaging the population with the not so few murders thrown in..... unbelievable.
Russian authorities on Wednesday defended the need to "impose an arms embargo" on Ukraine to control the flow of weaponry delivered to Kiev to cope with the Russian military offensive and prevent them from falling into the hands of arms trafficking networks.

"To control the supply of arms to Ukraine by the United Nations it is necessary to impose an arms embargo against this country through a resolution of the UN Security Council," said Russia's deputy representative to the international body, Dimitri Polianski, in statements granted to the Russian newspaper 'Izvestia'.

"It is clear that the Western countries will never allow this," he acknowledged, before stressing that Russia "has repeatedly transferred the problems of arms deliveries to Ukraine." "We will continue to raise them before the UN Security Council," he has assured.

Polianski also said that in order to restart negotiations with Ukraine it is necessary for Kiev "to adopt a realistic position and act in line with the interests of its people and not those of the United States or other Western countries, which are at war with Russia and indirectly use this country to the last Ukrainian".

"In the UN we do not have a dialogue with Kiev and neither did we have it before the beginning of the special operation due to the inadequacy of the current permanent representative", he pointed out, while ruling out a "mediation" by Western countries due to the fact that "several Western countries of the UN Security Council deliver weapons to the Kiev regime".

On the other hand, he has outlined that the agreement recently reached for the export of grain from Ukrainian ports "is interconnected" with a relaxation of sanctions on Russian exports. "It is impossible to solve the food crisis without full access to Russian commodity and fertilizer markets," he explained.

"The role of Ukrainian grain is greatly overestimated in this matter. At the root of the crisis is not the special military operation in Ukraine, but the wrong policies and miscalculations at the economic level on the part of Western countries," Poliansky concluded, referring to the sanctions imposed against Moscow in response to the invasion.
Russia advocates «imposing an arms embargo» on Ukraine to prevent them from falling prey to arms trafficking networks (msn.com)
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