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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:16
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
DOH!
The troops in that convoy must be getting very pissed off. Hungry, cold, tired, frightened etc.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:21
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD
The lack of a large letter on the sides suggests that the SA-8s are Ukrainian.
I'd kind of expect the letters to be scrubbed off pretty pronto as you don't want someone send an RPG up it by mistake. looks to me like the outline of a Z in the 3rd picture just before the back wheel

-edit. I wonder how many of the troops are running their engines to keep warm burning valuable fuel. Be nice if a brutally cold and rainy spell was on the cards - just not cold enough to freeze the ground

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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:26
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Originally Posted by fab777
Ukrainians claim they got one of those:

https://linksharing.samsungcloud.com/7FlBDuvGFioT

They, too, want to play with the best toys.

That would make a hell of a mess of their convoy if they can recover it and conceal it, I take it thats the good old Ukrainian mud coming into play, the good thing with that is it's limiting the Russians to roads, where they have no room to manoeuvre and from the photos tend to bunch up. I wonder why the Ukrainians don't block the route with a load of trucks or buses etc, set fire to them or booby trap them.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
I sincerely hope they have a very special welcome planned for that convoy.
I am very surprised that they havenít been relentlessly hitting that with anything they can, whenever they can.

The logical assumption is they donít have anything to hit it with which is bad news.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:41
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Originally Posted by transport jock
Apparently the White Russian symbols had been removed and the yellow stripes added to avoid friendly fire from Ukrainians units.
Yea, I've been thinking that IFF has to be a bitch when both sides are using much the same equipment.

Just thinking out loud here, but fo get Warthogs - imagine what a few properly armed BUFFs could do to that 40 mile long convoy...
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:44
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Originally Posted by tdracer
Yea, I've been thinking that IFF has to be a bitch when both sides are using much the same equipment.

Just thinking out loud here, but fo get Warthogs - imagine what a few properly armed BUFFs could do to that 40 mile long convoy...
We all think that. But know it is not going to happen.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:46
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
I am very surprised that they havenít been relentlessly hitting that with anything they can, whenever they can.

The logical assumption is they donít have anything to hit it with which is bad news.
Or the perimeter either side has the decent troops protecting it.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 16:52
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
I am very surprised that they havenít been relentlessly hitting that with anything they can, whenever they can. The logical assumption is they donít have anything to hit it with which is bad news.
Perhaps they feel they might as well leave them be for now. They're no threat stuck in a traffic jam and are just using up food, fuel and supplies. Save the attack for a time and place of their choosing.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:00
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
Perhaps they feel they might as well leave them be for now. They're no threat stuck in a traffic jam and are just using up food, fuel and supplies. Save the attack for a time and place of their choosing.
Never interrupt your enemy whilst he is making a mistake, I believe the saying goes
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:14
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The Ukrainians are having some local successes but the Russian Army is still advancing slowly but surely. Not surprising as it is a larger force and now aided apparently by the Belarus Army.
Russians now bombarding the Cities with rockets and whatever.
I have a terrible vision that Kyiv, and other of their cities, will eventually resemble Warsaw; post the suppression of the rising in 1944.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:16
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Iím sure someone will tell me Iím living in the realms of fantasy - Captain Mainwairing style but here goesÖ.

the no fly zone is out due to the nato issue along with any nato boots on the ground. The UN is useless and basically a talking shop, but I havenít yet seen anywhere why the UN couldnít have either got involved earlier after the Minsk agreements or perhaps in the future should the unlikely event of some kind of ceasefire be brokered.

UN peacekeepers, UN no fly zone all operated out of whatever is left of the UKR airfields. Is there a reason this hasnít been suggested or isnít feasible?

It seems big Vlad wants Ukraine all for himself, but heís used the excuse of genocide in the east, Ukraine being run by nazis attacking Russians and being NATOs puppet. So what about the UN but non nato countries being involved? There must be enough countries out there who could get involved who arenít in NATO?

i know Russia has a Veto at the UN, it just appears to me that as the west is trying to take the moral high ground and isolating him whilst trying not to get dragged into this directly, it would be an ideal thing to put to the UN to try call him out for what it is, heís using nato and genocide as an excuse

maybe heís done enough damage to his army and country to not have another pop then hopefully heíll succumb to his fate one way or the other. Surely canít be that many ex kgb, Cold War loving Russians left about who would get a chance at running Russia after this?
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:29
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UN peacekeepers, UN no fly zone all operated out of whatever is left of the UKR airfields. Is there a reason this hasnít been suggested or isnít feasible?
I think the clue is in the word Ďpeaceí! There is no peace - itís still an active war.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:30
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They're not even flinching as the Russians fire into the air as a warning.


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Amazing footage from Melitopol of Ukrainians stopping the onward advance of a Russian convoy and chanting ďOccupants!Ē and ďMurderers!Ē The jittery Russians are firing into the air Watch again
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:33
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Originally Posted by 212man
I think the clue is in the word Ďpeaceí! There is no peace - itís still an active war.
Why does the UN keep getting brought up? Any plan by the UN to intervene would be vetoed by the Russians!
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
Why does the UN keep getting brought up? Any plan by the UN to intervene would be vetoed by the Russians!
If a suitable UN proposal for neutralising the Ukraine "Nazis" could be put forward, then it would deprive Vlad of one of his main propaganda weapons that he is using at home, if he then vetoed this motion; even better, it would only involve diplomats and words and no deaths.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:45
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
Why does the UN keep getting brought up? Any plan by the UN to intervene would be vetoed by the Russians!
i know and I get that, didnít stop them having a vote anyway last week to apply diplomatic pressure. They even somehow got China to abstain. Whilst itís clear the UN is toothless, partly because of the Russian veto, it doesnít stop you using it as a tool to continue trying to isolate Putin, I know he doesnít care and will veto everything put in front of him but as an aside to all the other stuff the world is doing I still wonder if it isnít worthwhile to keep pushing votes. Even if you donít stand a chance of winning one.

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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:53
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Originally Posted by Sts121
Whilst itís clear the UN is toothless, partly because of the Russian veto, it doesnít stop you using it as a tool to continue trying to isolate Putin, I know he doesnít care and will veto everything out in front of him but as an aside to all the other stuff the world is doing I still wonder if it isnít worthwhile to keep pushing votes. Even if you donít stand a chance of winning one.
I think it is a worthwile exercise. It puts pressure on China each time and I have the distinct feeling Xi is already feeling uneasy right now. And Xi is Vlad's last buddy who really counts. Keep up the pressure on Xi to position himself and see how long he keeps covering Vlad.
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 17:56
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Has anyone done an analysis of Putin's appearance and his health - we know he is vain and probably a Botox user but he looks puffy and unwell - the sort of result you see in cancer patients on steroids.

Is it possible this outrageous invasion has been prompted by his failing health and a desire to make his mark before he goes?
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Old 1st Mar 2022, 18:00
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The State Department briefing "their concern as to his mental health". A diplomatic way of saying he is a nutter and has lost it.

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