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menikos 8th Jun 2012 10:29

Sept for the B787

bond737 8th Jun 2012 13:04

Well, they expecting to show off their first 787 piece at the Farnborough airshow.

RK303 9th Jun 2012 11:32

Dear all,

Following this tread since Iíve been interviewed last Dec as a NTSO, Iíve seen how QR is an ďhazardousĒ airline regarding his hiring process damaging some people. Having recently learnt from the very bad experience of ITO the age limit of 31 for NTSO, I also managed to know that I passed the interview but in few months, I will have one year remaining before being ďerasedĒ by the HR like ITO were.

There are dark clouds over SOís heads and it seems that it may not happen this year. So I have questions regarding a job opportunity that could open up very soon for me.

First of all, thanks god Iím not jobless and to be sincere, it doesnít worth it for me if I donít reach a major airline like QR at the end, so Iím not desperate and I was looking to be trained right from the beginning at this company standards but of course, lifeís not so sweet:rolleyes: . The time is being short for me to decide whether or not Iíll tried to enter this dying pilot market and this job may give me the famous experience required to do it but Iíll be bonded for 3 years.

Please does someone know something about those two Questions:
1) If QR eventually call me as a NTSO and I decide to break the bond, whatís happened if Iím already type rated with no sufficient hours on type to reach the FTSO requirements, disqualified?
2) If I reach the FTSO requirements when called by QR as a NTSO, will I need to reapply and wait to be invited again for an interview like it never already happened?

Thank you

Black Pudding 9th Jun 2012 14:07

@ITO

E-mail or call the Chief

Explain everything

supersonic75 9th Jun 2012 14:43

QR Bond ( copy/paste from QR email i received )
 
@RK303 : im sorry i dont know about your two questions , my advice for you is to call them better than getting maybe wrong info from someone else !! ( try calling around 8:00 am qatar local time GMT+3) . i would change the way i ask the first question if i were you and keep the second one as it is ;) as for what you said about NTSO being bonded for 3 years ?? this is a copy/paste from what i received from them 3 weeks ago , hope its usefull for you or anybody else as some guys were talking about rumours regarding a new bond ? as i said i received this about 3 weeks ago :


Training Bond:


All Aircraft Type-Rating courses including full and shortened transition courses. The bond is USD 50000 for Captains, First Officers and Fast Track Second Officers. It is USD 75000 for Ab Initio/ Second Officers.


The Bond amount will be deducted from the pilotís monthly salary starting from the date of joining the Company at the rate equal to the Bond Amount divided by 36. Deductions shall continue for a total of 18 monthly deductions. Upon completion of 36 months (3 years) following the date of joining, the total amount actually deducted from the pilotís salary will be refunded back to the pilot.


Fast Track Second Officers. The bond will start on completion of Final Line Check, not date of joining.


Second Officer/ Ab initio training courses will attract a five year bond of which will start on completion of Final Line Check.


The Bond amount will be deducted from the pilotís monthly salary starting from the date of joining the Company at the rate equal to the Bond Amount divided by 36. Deductions shall continue for a total of 18 monthly deductions. Upon completion of 36 months (3 years) following the date of joining, the total amount actually deducted from the pilotís salary will be refunded back to the pilot.


Ab initio training courses will attract a five year bond


Frozen ATPL


First Officers joining with a Frozen ATPL must have a full ATPL within the first 3 years of their employment with Qatar Airways






This information is accurate as of November 1, 2011. Subject to change at any time .

Iver 9th Jun 2012 15:19

This line from the above email regarding training bonds is particularly interesting:

All Aircraft Type-Rating courses including full and shortened transition courses. The bond is USD 50000 for Captains, First Officers and Fast Track Second Officers. It is USD 75000 for Ab Initio/ Second Officers.

I presume this could be the reason why several current QR 777 drivers have been "unwilling" to move to the 787 - they don't want the type rating bond held over their heads... At least that is what I have heard. I guess if you are a current QR A320 pilot and you want off that tiring schedule, getting typed and bonded on the 787 might be considered OK by some. Although I bet the 787 rosters will eventually be just as exhausting - just different scenary. :}

RK303 9th Jun 2012 15:30

Sorry if I wasn't clear Supersonic. The job opportunity I'm talking about is with an another airline, not QR, but it requires me to be bonded for 3 years.

I'm asking those questions because I'm trying to see if I will be able to join QR after being engaged with an other airline without cancelling my current possible rank or application in the QR system as I have been already interviewed as a NTSO.

I would like to be able to break the bond at anytime to join QR even being type rated with few hours.

I just hope that they won't cancel anything and ask me to reapply again or something else as I am not matching the NTSO requirements anymore. Their interview process is way too long, I would like to avoid to do it again...

Thanks

FL123 9th Jun 2012 16:10

@RK303
 

I just hope that they won't cancel anything and ask me to reapply again or something else as I am not matching the NTSO requirements anymore.
as in you have reached the FTSO requirement?

RK303 9th Jun 2012 17:06

Yes FL123, for exemple what will happened if i reached the FTSO requirements, will I need to reapply again?

or simply imagine they call me earlier and I do not have enough hours required for the FTSO but already type rated on the 320? will it change anything?

FL123 9th Jun 2012 17:27

@RK303
 

Yes FL123, for exemple what will happened if i reached the FTSO requirements, will I need to reapply again?
Considering this is QR--- honestly speaking man, if you reach the FTSO requirement and they unfortunately happen to look at your file and come to the conclusion that you have reached the FTSO requirement. Then straight away you will be asked to re-apply again as a FTSO. I don't think they will change your file to FTSO. But if you have people in then that might take turn in your favor.


or simply imagine they call me earlier and I do not have enough hours required for the FTSO but already type rated on the 320? will it change anything?
This is not an issue at all. I know an individual who was an NTSO and was type rated on 320. He got in but was asked to do type rating again with QR.

captain.weird 9th Jun 2012 18:09

Does somebody inside QR know if the airline is going to open an international cadet programme?

Cheers.

RK303 9th Jun 2012 19:03

Thank you very much FL123.

From what you said here, I'll have to think carefully on what I am doing cause I don't want to let my slot with QR to go away for sure. The NTSO programme is an incredible shortcut to reach the final goal.

The deductions from salary are refund after 3 years:ok: this is the cheapest way too...

The problem is, when will they start to call the holding pool...hopefully one year should be enough to see this happen.

FL123 9th Jun 2012 21:32

@RK303
 

The problem is, when will they start to call the holding pool...hopefully one year should be enough to see this happen
Trust me, hopefully you will be in by this year IA!!!!! :ok: ((according to current scenario))

supersonic75 9th Jun 2012 22:25

flying and reaching higher rank minimums while waiting for QR email !!
 
@RK303 : try to pm a guy called ( gdukkoq ) !! he was talking about him being a FTSO waiting for the (contract/fleet email ) and getting close to reach the F.O minimums while he was waiting . he was told by the chief that he will join as an F.O if they call him by then !! and not starting over again !! go to page ( 196 ) and read his post and see , pm him and ask for more details just to be sure , i hope that helps .
another thing i want you to be aware of : after i received my ( contract/fleet allocation email ) i asked my joining coordinator about delaying my joining date as much as possible , she told me -you must join before and no more than 12 months from your interview date-
so before you decide to start your plan ( if you would ) just make sure you ask and verify with QR this -time limit- just to plan your type rate and flying with the other airline early enough so that you can be ready for QR and not exceeding your 12 months limit in case they call you and maybe you've just started your type rate and not done yet by then !! :rolleyes:
and finaly one last thing to think about : QR will ask for :
A copy of resignation/release letter from current/former employer and, if under a training bond, a repayment/ clearance letter to be submitted before joining.
so make sure you can get this letter from that other airline you want to ( join , break bond and leave ) !! or you will lose everything :{
i hope all the best for you , just think it all over before you do it. its not an easy thing to do .

RK303 10th Jun 2012 01:11

A very informative post Supersonic.Thank you for this.;)

Too risky and there is absolutely no reason for me to consider this job opportunity if I canít join QR at the right time if they call me. Plus it can cost me a lotÖ

Letís stay tuned on QR, and see what will happen this year.
I followed the gdukkoq story. He suffered a bit but it was finally an happy end.

groundtoflightdeck 10th Jun 2012 01:32

Just curious... What do they care about your bond? I've never had a bond before but Seem like that's your problem to deal with... Unless its an industry courtesy to your former employer...

Iver 10th Jun 2012 13:32

I realise that waiting for any information, pre or post interview, seems like an eternity - which, in my view, is very unprofessional (but nothing you can do about it if you really want to work for QR).

For those of you who have interviewed, what have they told you about response time? Do they admit that you might not hear from them for 2-3 months????? :ugh::eek::mad:

Tritzo 10th Jun 2012 14:31


"hello again everybody.

anyone here interviewed 2nd or 3rd week of may & received reply? positive or negative.

nothing yet for me. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...ies/wbored.gif "
you mean last year or this year :E

rather wait for another 3 months to know :D

twapilot1971 10th Jun 2012 16:08

I applied 2nd week of Feb. 2012, received the interview invitation April 1st 2012. Interviewed for DEC the first week of May and was told 4 to 6 weeks. It has been 5 weeks, so I am waiting patiently.

upwhereIbelong 10th Jun 2012 23:34

...
 
as been said before ....patience is the Key .
Normally (say this carefully after ITOīs experience),no News good News.

I waited 4,5 Months for good news ,then 4 weeks later Offer of Employment ,now wait since 3 weeks for DOJ.

So be patient ,continue flying and soon or later it will come .
I know its hard but there around ,I would imagine ,200 right now waiting for join date .

Brgds
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