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Daft Wader 12th Jul 2012 16:10


The B787's should be 5 in 2012 and then a further 5 in 2013, it is quite a slow expansion.

The plan is to fill from the A320 after the initial batch from the B777.

The company I believe is trying to change to the A320 as the joining aeroplane for all unless you have widebody time ,TR A330. There would then be progression onto the other fleets from there.

Not an easy thing to achieve when you are constantly exapanding, but it is indication that people are at least considering making it a better system.

May the farce be with you

Daft Wader

Iver 12th Jul 2012 17:57


Thank you for the information. Really? Only 5 787s delivered in 2013? I had heard differently but I don't work there and I do not have first-hand knowledge.

So, with potentially 60 787s to be delivered, are we talking a long time horizon? Another person suggested a new airframe every 3-4 weeks starting in 2013 but understand how that volume could be difficult to digest for any airline... Thanks for any further clarification. I am sure these recent newhires would prefer the faster pace...:}

merry bird 12th Jul 2012 23:07

Hi i just joined pprune. Victor i guess it's a huge relief to hear from them after waiting So long. What fleet are you on?

Airmann 13th Jul 2012 01:32

I don't know where you got the number 5 from daft. It's more like 12-16 787s in 2013, QR has 60 on order, and Boeing plans to ramp up its deliveries. Airbus A380s 2014, A320NEOs in 2015, A350s in 2015/2016, and A330 will be converted to freight some time around 2015/2016. If they want to match Emirates then that means adding 60-80 planes net over the next 4-5 years, and the pilot workforce growing to between 3500-4000.

Daft Wader 13th Jul 2012 02:54


Will stick with my number and wait for the results to come in .

Expansion can continue as B787's replace B777's & A330's, freeing them up to open new routes and increase services to other destinations.

Perhaps the proposed growth will be more more managed in the future than some might expect.

Daft Wader

Homo Ludens 13th Jul 2012 12:45

Not shure about the 2013 787 deliveries, but we are receiving one more 777 in August and 8 or 9 more next year. Not to mention the 320s. How's that for expansion?

TakeItEasy 16th Jul 2012 09:50

Hello Guys, I am considering to apply for DEC Position on the A320. I was reading all the previous posts including pros and cons. I am working for a LCC in Europe and I am really fed up of continuous dropping terms and conditions and for being blamed for everything. I would like to ask some CPs working for Qatar how they feel in terms of daily operation, and what is the relationship btw. Management and Pilots. I would be interseted in typical things like blame-philosophy (when and for what eg go-arounds), taking extra fuel, quality of F/Os, Sim-checks, medical check, training, CRM, philosophy of practice manual flying etc... So basically everything what you experience during daily operation, what you like and what you do not like. Thanks for everyone for honest replies.

Captain Partzee 16th Jul 2012 10:31


If you are concerned about with these issues:

"daily operation, and what is the relationship btw. Management and Pilots. I would be interseted in typical things like blame-philosophy (when and for what eg go-arounds), taking extra fuel, quality of F/Os, Sim-checks, medical check, training, CRM, philosophy of practice manual flying etc..."

Simple answer. Stay where you are.
Good luck!

salamalikum2 16th Jul 2012 12:10


1-sign in, do your fligtht, sign out, go home.
2- Don't interfere with cabin crew.
3- stay away from office.
4-and... be stable at 1000 AGL:}
And live will be "easy" for you....:)

perritopiloto 16th Jul 2012 23:35

Hi all,
I've heard many new joiners not passing the training.
Is everything getting more difficult there?


Iver 17th Jul 2012 00:14


I believe that a number of your countrymen had English-speaking challenges. Not sure about simulator results, etc. Without sounding extreme or xenophobic (I am not), it surprises me that many Spanair pilots in question at QR had poor English-speaking skills given the expansive UK/Ireland/Northern Europe charter schedule. I remember seeing Spanair flights in my airport on almost a daily basis. How could you fly into those areas without decent English skills? Regardless, I wish them well in finding good employment!

perritopiloto 17th Jul 2012 01:42

Hi Iver.
I have nothing to do with JKK, so I do not know how did they manage to fly all around europe, better ask them.
Thanks for the info anyway. Is it only them who are failing the training or more people?

Take care

Cat3BNoDH 17th Jul 2012 06:35

Its mostly them...

rain dance maggie 17th Jul 2012 07:25

What fleet type they were assigned at?

I mean ,if they have plenty of new joiners at e.g.A320 , now they are starting to be more demanding....

cccc 17th Jul 2012 10:55

Can someone explain me...
Hi all,

Everybody knows that a lot of ex-Spanair guys went to QR and started their training. And apparently the training takes much longer than expected. And this due to 2 reasons: lack of English knowledge and no experience on type.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I am just trying to figure out something.

Did those guys went through the same kind of assessment as most of us did? I.e. have a presentation about the company, give a brief introduction about yourself in English of course, have 50 ATPL questions in English, have an interview with 2 captains... in English, and have a sim ride... where the talking had to be done in ... English!

Let's be honest... lots of Spanish guys/girls don't speak English, but Spanglish. And I know this, because I did my integrated ATPL training in Spain. And I have nothing against them, I actually love Spain and everhing that goes with it. But their English level, well it isn't a 4.

So, if they did the exact same assessment as we all had to do, how did they pass the selection then? Or did QR just see an opportunity of hiring rated people on the A320, without assessing them properly? Or am I missing something else?

In the mean time, I am still waiting for the offer, after the good news in March.


flyforfood1 17th Jul 2012 11:12

Yes they will have done the standard assessment, however it will probably have been done in Spain and the results issued quickly. I had heard that there were many more than the 100 or so that got in failed on the quality of their English.

RK303 18th Jul 2012 01:53

From my own experience as a non native english speaker, I’m making a clear distinction between two type of English. A basic one and a “sophisticated” one. The basic one is the one I faced during my initial training and the one I faced during the QR interview.No strong accent, normal rate of speech, simple dialogue and talks with people who want to talk to you in simple terms. So you are able to pass the interview assessment.
Now the “sophisticated” one is the one you will ear if someone put you in an Irish bar between two irish guys talking each other without any special effort and their natural rate of speech.Needless to say I’ll spend a hard time to understand at least 50% of what they are saying….
In europe of course, English is absolutely not the first language for many countries, so a huge extra effort is required by the one who want to become a pilot on the international field.That is not an easy task for many of us:rolleyes:.

seasexsun 18th Jul 2012 05:31

Let's be honest, most of spanish pilots are poor quality pilots. Bad english level, bad pronunciation, lack of vocabulary and poor level of english comprehension. Furthermore, they all speak fast (bad and fast) and all of them tend to shout on the microphone. This is indeed what we may call spanglish. We can listen to them everyday (TNT, Ryanair, Vueling, Swiftair, Air Nostrum....:yuk:)
Another issue with them is the low quality of flight training in spain. Poor IFR basic skills and the question banks are learnt by heart without any understanding.

Ex spanair guys joined their airline only because they knew a friend inside. They've never had to attend any sort of proper assessment in their pilot career.
Most of them applied to Emirates straight away, and they all failed and ended up in Qatar Airways.:ugh:

Qatar Airways has lower terms and conditions and a higher pass rate compared to Emirates Airlines.

It is about time to think about it.:rolleyes:

(I am spanish, btw, but I trained in the USA)

gcc_ 18th Jul 2012 06:20


Horrible of you to generalize and use the word "most".

Lots of them are qualified good pilots.
Even IF some passed with poor skills, QR has a very good standard of training when you're in the airline, and they won't tolerate bullshit from guys like you who think are the minority good Spanish pilots.

Some guys are good but want to act like they're the best, those won't last. Some are horrible, and they won't last either.
It's the good pilots that do their job, or the average ones that do theirs, are the ones that last here.

casablanca 18th Jul 2012 06:39

I dont know how many have failed...these stories tend to get bigger as time goes on. The truth is usually buried somewhere in the middle.
It does seem that many of these post are starting to get quite negative which cant possibly be helpful.
I did have a chance to attend my assessment with 6 Spanair pilots....They all seemed very nice and spoke descent English. It seemed to me they would be nice guys to work with!

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