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FLIGHTDECKMAN 14th May 2012 10:35

Good afternoon,

The information I shared with you is based on inside source I have from some contacts. When I mentioned the word "patience" I know that it is the only appropriate word for this airline. QATAR will be one of the largest airlines in the world within the next couple of years following the unbelievable development of the country which in turn will expand the airline to incredible numbers of aircraft.
All the future orders were made according to a careful plan and following this massive country development and the need for mainly use it as a very big international hub. Many of you are wondering why does it take so so so long for them to actually reply. Believe me they do have many delays in training their pilots at the moment ( a number of around 200-250 pilots were put on hold) because of lack of training facilities. They are signing contracts with different TRTOS to overcome this big training problems and then being able to proceed with their future plans. My suggestion to many of you who received the successful e mail is to take each opportunity you can get and stay active until you are given a contract and fleet in the first place and then a starting date in the second place, and then leave your current employer. :bored:
It can be very frustrating I know but the main thing is to keep your skills and your flying abilities to the max when you will have the chance to finally join this company provided of course you still have the necessary patience.:ugh:
As regards fleet division yes there are some situations where purely it does not make any sense on how do they assign them. There was one candidate with 2,500 hours on Boeing 737 that was given the B777 fleet and another one with more or less the same hours on the same type that was given the A320. No one knows precisely how do they decide that. I guess it can be a combination of random, timing, training availability etc etc.

Global01 14th May 2012 19:02

QR Allowances
 
Hello everybody !

I know that QR gives housing allowance of 10000 qr for FO and 12000 qr for Capts...

What about furniture allowance ? is it considered and how much ? if yes, then when ? is it after the probation period or as soon as you join QR ?

Is it true that married pilot get 2000 qr Extra ? That what every company in qatar gives to married employees ....

What about the interest free loan from the company ? and what is the max amount if given ?

Thank you !

av8tordude 14th May 2012 19:07


Originally Posted by Global01
Hello everybody !

I know that QR gives housing allowance of 10000 qr for FO and 12000 qr for Capts...

What about furniture allowance ? is it considered and how much ? if yes, then when ? is it after the probation period or as soon as you join QR ?

Is it true that married pilot get 2000 qr Extra ? That what every company in qatar gives to married employees ....

What about the interest free loan from the company ? and what is the max amount if given ?

Thank you !

Your post has been answered here.... http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/46...salary-11.html

Stick35 14th May 2012 19:15

@flightdeckman

You might be right although, i applied in december, but so far did not get invited. So the annoying thing is, should i regard this as 'not selected' since others get invited within 3 months or is my case also based on patience?

aka the aviator 14th May 2012 20:30

Interview invitation
 
I have heard of cases where people get mails that they are not selected for interview but anybody knows about the case that they simply newer replied?
More than two months after application for me and still nothing. I would realy like to believe that no news is good thing.

upwhereIbelong 14th May 2012 22:12

.......
 
The "no news" ,"good news" applies aft interview in my eyes.
Aft interview all people didn't pass got "bad news" within approx 20 days.
In my case it was"no news" so aft 3 months I got "good news" email.
::}

Global01 15th May 2012 02:01

......
 
That's correct, "no news" "good news" and a very good waiting ;)

Cat3BNoDH 15th May 2012 10:16

cloudbasher
 
I don't really know what is your notion of "high time and experienced captains" but on my assessment ONLY for DEC there were guys with +17000hr TT, + 11000hr command time and +8000hr wide body time, with others with around 10000 TT and +6000hr command time on wide and narrow bodies. For me thats pretty good experience anywhere in the world. Don't forget they're making assessments 5/6 times a week, so yours was just a small sample in the overall average.

Nevertheless, thanks a lot for sharing your experience at the selection process!

In terms of fleet allocation, to give you an example, a guy experienced as I reported above was offered the A300-600 so expecting the 777 or even the 787 might be pushing the envelope a bit.

Good luck

cccc 15th May 2012 10:42

Be patient
 
All,
To give you my example...
I applied the first time in September 2011. I updated my profile in December 2011. In January 2012 I received an invitation. I went to Doha in February for the assessment. In March I received the good news. And now I am still waiting for the contract. I am a FTSO.
In another thread I wrote what might cause the delay for receiving the contract.
So basically, keep updating your profile and be patient.
As said before... They are holding 6 times a week interviews. And each day, about 10 guys/girls come. That's 60 pilots every week.
I think I don't need to explain how busy the recruitment department is at the moment, as well as the training department.
The facts are that QR needs about 700 pilots this year.
A friend of mine who started 2 months ago told me also that there are always about 2-3 pilots who come to start with QR and they leave after a few weeks, because unable to adapt to the ME.
Another 8-10 pilots are apparently fired every month because of not flying a stable approach. This is just a rumour. Those cowboys come in high, fast, not configured in time...
Cheers and c u in Doha! Sooooooooooooooooon!!

Trampdave 15th May 2012 12:00

Thanks for the posts Flightdeckman, they are recomforting.

I totally understand the arguments, it is crazy work to expand an airline by a third in a single year and it is nonsense to think that all can go smoothly...

Still, sending one extra mail, at least to the pilots that were successfull in the process, after six weeks of waiting stated in the good news mail, saying "Gentleman, we do want you in our company, pls give us another two months of patience before we offer you the actual contract", wouldnīt be that difficult, and it would make a huge diference.

It is a pitty that QR is investing a fair amount of time and money into getting the candidates to Doha, accomodating them, leading them through the process, and then to loose them a few months later, just because of the inability to properly communicate. :sad:

upwhereIbelong 15th May 2012 12:01

@cccc
 
sooooooooon------>InshaŠllah!;)

aka the aviator 15th May 2012 15:00

Interview Invitation
 
upwhereIbelong a friend applied same time I did and received negative mail in 10 days (you don't meet minimum requirements ...). For me nothing still (this was end of February). I applied for NTR FO so I guess I am not at the top of priority but I meet the requirements more than twice and that keeps me hoping.
I wonder is there anybody who never got any reply?
Also anybody knows the success rate of the interviewed candidates?
How many pass in average in one group?
As I read this forum the wait seems exhausting but I think QA is worth it.

Best of luck to everyone here

embraerFObmi 15th May 2012 15:41

interview very soon.

has anyone had B787 for sim recently (within last week or so)

cheers

bmiFO.

Stick35 15th May 2012 16:25

Hi aka,

I applied for f/o. I also never got a reply although i'm meeting the requirements.

Dont know if i should consider this as "not selected". :ugh:

Iver 15th May 2012 23:34

Check out 787 simulator at Gatwick
 
EmbraerFOBMI,

Sounds like the Qatar 787 simulator has been used lately if you read some of the other posts. Evidently it is somewhat random which sim is used - probably dependent upon use of the other sims at the time.

Others on this forum have described the procedures used during the sim. I would look for those details in posts specific to the sim ride. That said, if you do get the 787 sim during your interview, perhaps it will look something like this one at Gatwick (nice view of the HUD on takeoff):


And yes, I'd be quite happy if I were assigned the 787! :ok::} That said, not sure if newhires will even be given the option for the next few months. Seems a bit random. I assume internals will get the first open slots but you never know. With 60 787s coming over the next 4 years, I am sure suitable newhires with the requisite experience (probably widebody experience - who knows...) will get assigned the 787 at some point down the line. Given the recent delay in the arrival of the 787 to August, who knows how that will impact fleet assignments...

Good luck in your interview and sim!

MerAir80 16th May 2012 15:16

Share your recent experience, please .
 
The Form was sent 2 months ago. No emails got back from Qatar, neither positives nor negatives. I meet all the requirements with 5000h on MD80. Going for NTR F/O.
No news so far.
What's the average waiting time for the interview after applying?
Share your recent experiences guys. I know there are several posts about that but everything is changing very quickly there and it'd be so helpful to know the most recent experiences.

Cheers ! ! !

FL123 16th May 2012 17:23

@FLIGHTDECKMAN
 
Hello Sir,

As you seem a lot informative. Could you please tell us as to when the Span Air pilots will be clearing the TYE RATING and the LINE TRAINING area.
So that the individuals on hold could then receive the DOJ/YES-NOmail/Assessment Invitation.

FL123

gdukkoq 16th May 2012 18:12

A lot of them are joining next week. They hired about 140 of them.

Cat3BNoDH 16th May 2012 18:31

@FL123
 
In my opinion the issue of the trainning of QR's new joinners being on hold because of the 50 or 60 Spainair guys that recently joinned is just fallacious. Ok the numbers are big, but those guys are already A320 TR, so their trainning will be short (around 4 or 5 sim sessions and 8 flights) and won't take long. At least not as long as the non TR DECs, FO and SFOs that are joinning at the time. What I mean is, when an airline is growing like QR is, the priority will be recruiting first the guys that will be ready for line flying earlier. Also for what I've been told their recruitment department is so overwhelmed that they're unable to answer phones or send emails besides the ones that are supposed (good news or fail/offer of employment/ fleet allocation and DOJ).
Just my opinion, nevertheless...

supersonic75 16th May 2012 20:58

just keep waiting
 
i applied for ( F.O ) position on october 2011.
interview invitation feb 2012
interview on the 04 march 2012 ( sim on 787 ).
good news email 21 march 2012.
still WAITING for the next email ( 8 weeks so far since the good news email )
hope all the best for all of you guys waiting:)


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