CTC McAlpine/easyJet/JMC Sponsorship Selection
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1pudding1,
The subject of the topic is not the main point. There will be 3 general topics you will know something about.
The point of the discussion is to see how you interract during the discussion and not your extensive knowledge on any given subject.
You will be told this probably on the day.
Good Luck
The subject of the topic is not the main point. There will be 3 general topics you will know something about.
The point of the discussion is to see how you interract during the discussion and not your extensive knowledge on any given subject.
You will be told this probably on the day.
Good Luck
Ok I understand they want to see how you interact, argue, discuss and mediate. But ease my mind 
, what kind of topics are discussed or have been topics before anyone?Im just curious.
, what kind of topics are discussed or have been topics before anyone?Im just curious.
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Hello all you guys,
I am new to this game. I dont have much flying experience, in fact my number of flying hours is a big fat Zero. I'm afraid that I am a law graduate and soon to be masters student. Flying has been a life time ambition. A commerical pilot - my dream occupation.
So I just thought I would introduce myself to this thread. I'm looking forward to speaking with you all some time soon.
At the moment I am in Houston, Texas working on death row and I am trying to organise some flying lessons - they are much cheaper out here so hopefully the big fat zero will become a figure of the past very soon.
Good luck to anyone on their way to the McAlpine assessment day in the near future!
I am new to this game. I dont have much flying experience, in fact my number of flying hours is a big fat Zero. I'm afraid that I am a law graduate and soon to be masters student. Flying has been a life time ambition. A commerical pilot - my dream occupation.
So I just thought I would introduce myself to this thread. I'm looking forward to speaking with you all some time soon.
At the moment I am in Houston, Texas working on death row and I am trying to organise some flying lessons - they are much cheaper out here so hopefully the big fat zero will become a figure of the past very soon.
Good luck to anyone on their way to the McAlpine assessment day in the near future!
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p2 numeracy tests
to the folks that've been through p2:
are you allowed to use paper to do the equations or is everything meant to be done mentally? i am worrying myself sick over this so any feedback will be appreciated. what's the toughest stuff you encountered?
are you allowed to use paper to do the equations or is everything meant to be done mentally? i am worrying myself sick over this so any feedback will be appreciated. what's the toughest stuff you encountered?
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You get a maths test with 20 questions on it and you have 20 minutes I think to do it.
It ain't hard. You have paper. Learn long multiplication, division, addition, subtraction and you will be fine. Don't worry!
It ain't hard. You have paper. Learn long multiplication, division, addition, subtraction and you will be fine. Don't worry!
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http://www.roko.co.uk/soccer/1101712...o181l00030.htm
I hope they are better pilots than they are footballers. Its fine though, once I get down there, things will inevitably turn around on the pitch.
I hope they are better pilots than they are footballers. Its fine though, once I get down there, things will inevitably turn around on the pitch.
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Fred4000.
If you honestly think that flying for a Charter, (which is completely different to a scheduled (so why compare)) as your very first flying position is being shafted, Then you are a prize pr**k.
If you honestly think that flying for a Charter, (which is completely different to a scheduled (so why compare)) as your very first flying position is being shafted, Then you are a prize pr**k.
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" £17.5k A bit harsh"
Isn't the reason for a reduced salary down to the fact that TCX or Ezy are essentially paying for your training?.
I'm not going to sit here and explain what completely different lifestyles (charter and scheduled) lead to.
"Isn't this attitude exactly what the airlines are looking for"
Well Fred i can tell you this, if you walk into a crew room moaning about how you've got a bum deal, you will be very unpopular indeed.
You are in a priveledged position being on the CTC scheme, granted due to hard work etc, but don't go and spoil it by being greedy.
Good luck with your training.
Isn't the reason for a reduced salary down to the fact that TCX or Ezy are essentially paying for your training?.
I'm not going to sit here and explain what completely different lifestyles (charter and scheduled) lead to.
"Isn't this attitude exactly what the airlines are looking for"
Well Fred i can tell you this, if you walk into a crew room moaning about how you've got a bum deal, you will be very unpopular indeed.
You are in a priveledged position being on the CTC scheme, granted due to hard work etc, but don't go and spoil it by being greedy.
Good luck with your training.
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Fred4000
I'm not sure you can really say that an airline taking a cadet from the CTC scheme is really doing any shafting and I would take a look at the major differences in business models between LCC and charter carriers before you make any sweeping statements about whether or not they can be compared (which would be useful if you are to go through the CTC interviews - I don't know at what stage you are currently).
3 Points I would like to make are this:
1) Unless you are going to be a banker gratuate salaries in London can actually be significantly less that 17.5k and it is the large 36K starting salaries of banks that skew the averages.
2) Think about an airlines cash flow and consider that they are stumping up a huge chunk of cash at the start of your employment and then paying you a bond payment to cover the HSBC loan.
3) If you can stick out being an airline pilot for more than a couple of years (which I should hope you are) then I think the financial rewards will be worth a few years at a lower salary.
If you're looking to make lots of money go and be a banker, if you want to be a pilot surely that should be the important thing with the salary being an added benefit!
Rob
I'm not sure you can really say that an airline taking a cadet from the CTC scheme is really doing any shafting and I would take a look at the major differences in business models between LCC and charter carriers before you make any sweeping statements about whether or not they can be compared (which would be useful if you are to go through the CTC interviews - I don't know at what stage you are currently).
3 Points I would like to make are this:
1) Unless you are going to be a banker gratuate salaries in London can actually be significantly less that 17.5k and it is the large 36K starting salaries of banks that skew the averages.
2) Think about an airlines cash flow and consider that they are stumping up a huge chunk of cash at the start of your employment and then paying you a bond payment to cover the HSBC loan.
3) If you can stick out being an airline pilot for more than a couple of years (which I should hope you are) then I think the financial rewards will be worth a few years at a lower salary.
If you're looking to make lots of money go and be a banker, if you want to be a pilot surely that should be the important thing with the salary being an added benefit!
Rob
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Joe - read my post again. I didn't say isnt that what airlines are looking for I said isnt that what they are taking advantage of. Which it is - fact.
rtj,
CTC take on the immediate financial burden. This is what attracts airlines to the scheme. They do not fork out £100k up front.
A lot fo the cost of training comes out of our salary. In fact most of it does. I wouldn't expect anything less. The major attraction of this scheme for me is not that Im getting free training. It is that Im getting high quality training, lots more multi engine hours and brilliant instruction from CTC and Bristol. The scheme also offers an excellent relationship with airlines and a fast track to the rhs. Also it gets me over the barrier of having to find 60k right now. But by all means we pay it back, but we do it in a better way over 7 years reduction in our salary.
I still think the thomas cook deal is quite poor. Thats my opinion and Im sure most of you will disagree, but thats fair enough. But I do agree, Im not in this all for money, but you get more in the civil service starting than you do with TC.
rtj,
CTC take on the immediate financial burden. This is what attracts airlines to the scheme. They do not fork out £100k up front.
A lot fo the cost of training comes out of our salary. In fact most of it does. I wouldn't expect anything less. The major attraction of this scheme for me is not that Im getting free training. It is that Im getting high quality training, lots more multi engine hours and brilliant instruction from CTC and Bristol. The scheme also offers an excellent relationship with airlines and a fast track to the rhs. Also it gets me over the barrier of having to find 60k right now. But by all means we pay it back, but we do it in a better way over 7 years reduction in our salary.
I still think the thomas cook deal is quite poor. Thats my opinion and Im sure most of you will disagree, but thats fair enough. But I do agree, Im not in this all for money, but you get more in the civil service starting than you do with TC.
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Fred
You do make fair comments, I know CTC take the financial burden while you are training but that gets passed to the airlines, as I say, at the start of your employment.
The civil service may pay more but the financial outlay for them is less they are funded in a completely different way (don't get me onto politics!) and I would imagine the financial rewards over time are better in the airline industry even with TC.
I too would rather get a job at the end of my training with an airline that pays more and if I have that choice I will be even more lucky than I already consider myself to be.
At the end of the day we all want to fly for a living and get paid as much as possible (who doesn't!) but I'm still not sure we should be complaining about an opportunity we have all dreamed of for so long just because it doesn't pay as much to begin with.
So fair comments and I think we will have to agree to disagree!!
Cheers
Rob
PS. Are you out in NZ, waiting to go, what. I am waiting to have my medical done. Can't wait to get out there!
You do make fair comments, I know CTC take the financial burden while you are training but that gets passed to the airlines, as I say, at the start of your employment.
The civil service may pay more but the financial outlay for them is less they are funded in a completely different way (don't get me onto politics!) and I would imagine the financial rewards over time are better in the airline industry even with TC.
I too would rather get a job at the end of my training with an airline that pays more and if I have that choice I will be even more lucky than I already consider myself to be.
At the end of the day we all want to fly for a living and get paid as much as possible (who doesn't!) but I'm still not sure we should be complaining about an opportunity we have all dreamed of for so long just because it doesn't pay as much to begin with.
So fair comments and I think we will have to agree to disagree!!
Cheers
Rob
PS. Are you out in NZ, waiting to go, what. I am waiting to have my medical done. Can't wait to get out there!
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Im not trying to complain, just kind of trying to say I would have thought a better salary would be on offer. If I get TC Il be happy because of the 757 opportunities and so on, but I do also think money will be a struggle. There are plenty of threads stating that as well!
Im waiting to go out, had my medical done earlier this month.
Which selection did you pass? When were you down there?
Good luck with your medical rtj. cough cough
Im waiting to go out, had my medical done earlier this month.
Which selection did you pass? When were you down there?
Good luck with your medical rtj. cough cough
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Fred.
You say yourself that you pay it back via a reduced salary, so you don't have to fork out / obtain £60000+ now.
How can you moan about it then.
What are the alternatives?
Most people fork out the £50K with no guarantee and then spend months, stressed, desperately searching for something, anything at all, facing bankruptcy.
Which position would you rather be in, having all these uncertain factors and the debt, or to receive a walk in job, flying modern a/c and still earning a respectable wage?
I'm not taking anything away from your merits or achievements, but just think all new pilots are in the same boat. Some have it relatively easy some alot tougher. There will always be someone better off than you, but indeed worse off also.
You say yourself that you pay it back via a reduced salary, so you don't have to fork out / obtain £60000+ now.
How can you moan about it then.
What are the alternatives?
Most people fork out the £50K with no guarantee and then spend months, stressed, desperately searching for something, anything at all, facing bankruptcy.
Which position would you rather be in, having all these uncertain factors and the debt, or to receive a walk in job, flying modern a/c and still earning a respectable wage?
I'm not taking anything away from your merits or achievements, but just think all new pilots are in the same boat. Some have it relatively easy some alot tougher. There will always be someone better off than you, but indeed worse off also.
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I had interview / sim on the 8th and 9th so fairly recently and hopefully my medical should be OK as I only need a renewal from my existing class 1 which had lapsed.
As for the salary I have been living in London for the past 3 years on not much more than 17.5k and I haven't found it that much of a struggle (but then I'm a northerner so tend to avoid the stupidly priced 'trendy' bars and clubs) plus I got used to low salaries as I work in the environmental sector.
With a bit of luck I will be going early next year (I've got a lot of ending my current life in London / Job etc to do before I go) so hopefully see you out there.
Good luck for your training
As for the salary I have been living in London for the past 3 years on not much more than 17.5k and I haven't found it that much of a struggle (but then I'm a northerner so tend to avoid the stupidly priced 'trendy' bars and clubs) plus I got used to low salaries as I work in the environmental sector.
With a bit of luck I will be going early next year (I've got a lot of ending my current life in London / Job etc to do before I go) so hopefully see you out there.
Good luck for your training
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17.5k is livable, it just means you can't put the deposit down on that bmw you always wanted Also in addition to the salary you get flying allowance and other benefits so that would probably raise the salary up a bit. Still as someone said if money was motivation then a career in law/banking gives you better money...
Also Does anyone know what the current state of affairs is with places being tagged to airlines? have any other airlines joined the scheme? do the current batch of people about to go off to NZ got a tagged place?
cheers,
g.
Also in addition to the salary you get flying allowance and other benefits so that would probably raise the salary up a bit. Still as someone said if money was motivation then a career in law/banking gives you better money... Also Does anyone know what the current state of affairs is with places being tagged to airlines? have any other airlines joined the scheme? do the current batch of people about to go off to NZ got a tagged place?
cheers,
g.
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as far as I am aware (but this is just what we were told during selection) it is still ezy and TC and some cadets may get preselected but not all. Other than that it is wait until the end for selection by an airline (or possibly during training) which could include other airlines that CTC (I think through the ATP acheme) work with. As I remeber they said if you hadn't been selected by the end you went into their 'pool' of pilots from which their some of their client airlines interview and take pilots.
Rob
as far as I am aware (but this is just what we were told during selection) it is still ezy and TC and some cadets may get preselected but not all. Other than that it is wait until the end for selection by an airline (or possibly during training) which could include other airlines that CTC (I think through the ATP acheme) work with. As I remeber they said if you hadn't been selected by the end you went into their 'pool' of pilots from which their some of their client airlines interview and take pilots.
Rob
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rtj,
The courses going out in the next few months aren't tagged. When you say we go into the holding pool. Is that the ATP scheme? You also say we have to have interviews and stuff, so does that basically mean we have to go through another selection process to get a job? What way does this all work? I can't see how we go into the same holding pool as the ATP scheme as we have bonds that need repayed. This is a bit worrying.
The courses going out in the next few months aren't tagged. When you say we go into the holding pool. Is that the ATP scheme? You also say we have to have interviews and stuff, so does that basically mean we have to go through another selection process to get a job? What way does this all work? I can't see how we go into the same holding pool as the ATP scheme as we have bonds that need repayed. This is a bit worrying.