CTC McAlpine/easyJet/JMC Sponsorship Selection
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I can't see how we go into the same holding pool as the ATP scheme as we have bonds that need repayed. This is a bit worrying.
Sorry to be a bit blunt here but it sounds like the holding pool basically means they haven't got a job for you!! I think this is my primary worry of the ctc scheme, not getting tagged to an airline. I assume the ATP scheme is still running and placing pilots, but the pool of trained pilots ctc have waiting to be placed (ie both atp and cadetship) will expand quite rapidly with 30-40 cadet pilots coming into it as well each year (assuming ezy and tc recruit 36 and 6 pilots a year respectively), therefore the question you've got to ask is will the current demand for ctc pilots be enough for both the atp and the cadet schemes?? I really hope so. Unfortunately the ctc cadet scheme hasn't been running long enough to see what happens to pilots who are put into the holding pool, it will be interesting to see how it works out. But in the mean time the unplaced pilots will be having to put their trust in ctc......
Do excuse me for being quite negative, it's just £60k is a lot to have hanging over your head and before i sign the dotted line i want to make sure the risks of things going pete tong are minimized.
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The idea of any cadets being placed into the holding pool is highly unlikely. Of the courses in New Zealand without airlines, they will all get one before the Bournemouth phase of the training.
CTC have calculated exactly how many cadets they are going to need. If so much as one course ended up in the holding pool, it would be suicidal for their reputation. Next year easyJet are receiving aircraft at a rate of 1 every nine days. Considering they need oin average 11.5 pilots per Airbus, you do the maths!
Granted, only a proportion of these easyJet spaces are ever going to be filled by cadets, but the important thing is that there ARE enough spaces to cater for the cadets who make the scheme. Of that you can be sure, whether it be with easyJet, TC or someone else. It would be just too risky for CTC otherwise.
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CTC have calculated exactly how many cadets they are going to need. If so much as one course ended up in the holding pool, it would be suicidal for their reputation. Next year easyJet are receiving aircraft at a rate of 1 every nine days. Considering they need oin average 11.5 pilots per Airbus, you do the maths!
Granted, only a proportion of these easyJet spaces are ever going to be filled by cadets, but the important thing is that there ARE enough spaces to cater for the cadets who make the scheme. Of that you can be sure, whether it be with easyJet, TC or someone else. It would be just too risky for CTC otherwise.
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Sorry if I am causing undue confusion and panick. I think the comments about being selected either just before Bournmouth or during Bournmouth sort of match up to what we were told, basically you probably won't be preselected whilst out in NZ.
I'm going to add something else into the pot here as well. When I did my final selection test it was mentioned that they were coming under pressure (from whom I'm not sure) to increase the number of cadets on each course.
I'm sure they have it all under control!
I'm going to add something else into the pot here as well. When I did my final selection test it was mentioned that they were coming under pressure (from whom I'm not sure) to increase the number of cadets on each course.
I'm sure they have it all under control!
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The next few courses are tagged to easyjet, unless it's suddenly changed in the past week. As for the whitetaled courses, 11, 12 and 13 inc, no news on the airlines as yet, though something is supposed to be lined up for them.
If anyone from 17 or 18 can say how many people are on your courses, would be interested to know........
WBV
If anyone from 17 or 18 can say how many people are on your courses, would be interested to know........
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Just got my email of rejection from ctc after stage two yesterday, ow well, I guess im gonna have to find another way of pursuing my dream career!
Any other people who where there in bournemouth yesterday (27.7.04) heard yet ?
good luck everyone!
Any other people who where there in bournemouth yesterday (27.7.04) heard yet ?
good luck everyone!
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Forgive me fo being cynical . . . . Is this not extremely unfair!!?
Are you not asking a little much at this stage of the game?
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It was my understanding, that if you were not on a pre-sponsored course, that ARL (the subsidiary of ctc that train you) assign £5,000 and then recoup the money when you get sponsored? Or there was a way of getting it anyway. With the state of play with EasyJet at the moment, I feel that they may well take a few more pilots on top, plus there are the other airlines that are lurking in the background....
Oh and WBV, CP18 is to be a Thomas Cook sponsored course. (16 & 17 are both EZY). Just thought I would let you know
Oh and WBV, CP18 is to be a Thomas Cook sponsored course. (16 & 17 are both EZY). Just thought I would let you know
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Sorry to hear about your bad news. Keep trying and something will happen for you. I will putting my head under the phase two axe in early september. Was there anything you found particularly difficult during the course of the day??
Cheers and all the best.
Cheers and all the best.
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Fred4000, not sure where you get your info from but it's wrong.
All the easy sponsored guys so far have been sponsored prior to starting training (and have consequently got the 5k). You may be getting confused with the ATP scheme.
All the easy sponsored guys so far have been sponsored prior to starting training (and have consequently got the 5k). You may be getting confused with the ATP scheme.
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Fred4000,
To clarify some of your points.
Noone has left NZ so far without knowing which airline they would go to so I don't know where you got your ' few weeks before advanced training' from. Also, the white tail cadets have all been back paid the allowance by the respective airline who picked them up.
I can't honestly believe that you would think easyjet would be so tight arsed as to not select cadets before hand to save themselves money. Perhaps you should have some more faith in your prospective employer.
The reason people have been picked up later is probably for one of 2 reasons:
1. The airlines saw their training records and liked what they saw (I'm guessing at this)
2. Operational requirements of the airlines.
As far as I'm aware, TC and easyjet have contracts for a minimum number of cadets per year but this is not set in stone as I think TC took 11 or 12 in the first year alone, double what they said they would.
Finally, you are aware that CTC, easyJet and TC will be reading this thread don't you? I don't think you will be doing yourself too many favours.
Best of luck out there!
To clarify some of your points.
Noone has left NZ so far without knowing which airline they would go to so I don't know where you got your ' few weeks before advanced training' from. Also, the white tail cadets have all been back paid the allowance by the respective airline who picked them up.
I can't honestly believe that you would think easyjet would be so tight arsed as to not select cadets before hand to save themselves money. Perhaps you should have some more faith in your prospective employer.
The reason people have been picked up later is probably for one of 2 reasons:
1. The airlines saw their training records and liked what they saw (I'm guessing at this)
2. Operational requirements of the airlines.
As far as I'm aware, TC and easyjet have contracts for a minimum number of cadets per year but this is not set in stone as I think TC took 11 or 12 in the first year alone, double what they said they would.
Finally, you are aware that CTC, easyJet and TC will be reading this thread don't you? I don't think you will be doing yourself too many favours.
Best of luck out there!
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Cheers Caracul for clearing that up.
Fred, yeah 11, 12 and 13 are currently whitetail, 14, 15, 16 and 17 are Easy, and now it seems 18 are TC.
Of the previous courses i think half of cp1 were TC, the rest and all subsequent courses up to 7 were Easy, 8 is TC, 9 and 10 Easy.
WBV
Fred, yeah 11, 12 and 13 are currently whitetail, 14, 15, 16 and 17 are Easy, and now it seems 18 are TC.
Of the previous courses i think half of cp1 were TC, the rest and all subsequent courses up to 7 were Easy, 8 is TC, 9 and 10 Easy.
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Fred4000, perhaps I should have been a journalist!!!
Pre-selected by an airline or not, personally I don't really care at this stage, I'm still flying high from being selected by CTC.
Pre-selected by an airline or not, personally I don't really care at this stage, I'm still flying high from being selected by CTC.
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Fred4000 - The advice for you from here in NZ is simple, if you're not happy with what you are about to commit to then stay at home.
You quote that graduate jobs both in the private and public sector award higher salaries, well yes there is no dispute that this can be the case. However, to put this in perspective for you, there are many people out here that gave up employment (private/public/graduate etc.) that was already paying substantially more than the initial remuneration we will receive. Evidently, we are NOT in it for the money - if you are then stay at home.
If you think that Thomas Cook, easyjet, any other airline, or CTC, is going to 'shaft' you, then stay at home - remember you can’t be 100% sure which airline you're going to be with until 6 months after you start flying the line and you have a contract of employment in hand.
Aviation is a fickle business - you can’t please everyone all of the time. Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you read.
You quote that graduate jobs both in the private and public sector award higher salaries, well yes there is no dispute that this can be the case. However, to put this in perspective for you, there are many people out here that gave up employment (private/public/graduate etc.) that was already paying substantially more than the initial remuneration we will receive. Evidently, we are NOT in it for the money - if you are then stay at home.
If you think that Thomas Cook, easyjet, any other airline, or CTC, is going to 'shaft' you, then stay at home - remember you can’t be 100% sure which airline you're going to be with until 6 months after you start flying the line and you have a contract of employment in hand.
Aviation is a fickle business - you can’t please everyone all of the time. Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you read.
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For anyone about to take their Stage2 assessment with CTC, have a go at this...
http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/Aviation/Games/planegame/
Mission Level1 is relevent.
All the best!
http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/Aviation/Games/planegame/
Mission Level1 is relevent.
All the best!
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hello folks.
got rejected from p.2, i was hoping i could at least reach p.3. anyways, good luck to whoever passed, the people i met at bournemouth were all wonderful.
i was told i would only make an average pilot which is not good enough for ctc, but life goes on. so, any suggestions on future orientation? i've heard britannia is running a cadet scheme but i can't find anything on their website.
got rejected from p.2, i was hoping i could at least reach p.3. anyways, good luck to whoever passed, the people i met at bournemouth were all wonderful.
i was told i would only make an average pilot which is not good enough for ctc, but life goes on. so, any suggestions on future orientation? i've heard britannia is running a cadet scheme but i can't find anything on their website.
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They had an ad out a few months ago in Flight and were looking for 4 cadets and were asking for 15k. I think they have done it all now for this year but don't hold me to that!
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regicide - who told you, you would only make an "average" pilot? Is that the kind of feedback you get?
You still have a number of options, mainly the self-sponsor route. Or you could get your ppl and instruct and get your hours up and gain you cpl that way. this takes time though!
Good luck.
You still have a number of options, mainly the self-sponsor route. Or you could get your ppl and instruct and get your hours up and gain you cpl that way. this takes time though!
Good luck.
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Sorry to butt in on this thread but I was wondering whether any had gone through the AQC course at ctc and had any info on this. I wanted to try and get a head start on the course. Any advance knowledge has to help.
Cheers
Cheers
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Remember, of course, to always look at any advice critically. Yes, places like CTC know what they're doing but just because you're told you'd "only" make an average pilot doesn't mean it's definitive. Lot's (maybe the majority) of your aptitude to be a pilot may well be gleaned from pre-training aptitude testing but don't discount hard work and skill built up over time as familiarity grows.
You gain captaincy with experience - captains will tend to be better pilots than the F/O they fly with as they will usually have more experience and exposure...and by "better pilot" I don't mean better with the stick and rudder, I mean more competent all round (flying skill, leadership, situational awareness, decision-making skill, etc.). Remember: the overwhelming majority of pilots flying around now are average pilots...by definition
I'm about to start my PPL then apply for sponsorship myself. If that doesn't work out, the (slightly daunting) prospect of self-funding...
Just my 2p worth.
Best of luck everybody (as long as it's slightly less than mine
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V1R
Hello Louis Euan,
This thread is geared toward CTC's ab-initio cadet scheme - I think you're talking about the ATP scheme for those already with a licence?
Not sure many people here will be able to help. Think there's a few threads dealing with the ATP scheme knocking about though if you run a quick search.
Good luck,
V1R
You gain captaincy with experience - captains will tend to be better pilots than the F/O they fly with as they will usually have more experience and exposure...and by "better pilot" I don't mean better with the stick and rudder, I mean more competent all round (flying skill, leadership, situational awareness, decision-making skill, etc.). Remember: the overwhelming majority of pilots flying around now are average pilots...by definition
I'm about to start my PPL then apply for sponsorship myself. If that doesn't work out, the (slightly daunting) prospect of self-funding...
Just my 2p worth.
Best of luck everybody (as long as it's slightly less than mine
)V1R
Hello Louis Euan,
This thread is geared toward CTC's ab-initio cadet scheme - I think you're talking about the ATP scheme for those already with a licence?
Not sure many people here will be able to help. Think there's a few threads dealing with the ATP scheme knocking about though if you run a quick search.
Good luck,
V1R
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