British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Birdspeed - you are very correct about "restructuring". But the pay grade/scale must remain unchanged without sufficient renumeration if changed.
I want to ask one point, and read my point very carefully as this is NOT galley gossip. What are you going to say to the rest of your BA colleagues, when the stalemate continues and the financial books go through the floor into the red ? What will you say when BA withdraw all staff concessions, for all staff. Which is what us on the outside can see happening as you will not win against WW and BA. HE has the backing of the Board and the shareholders in this dispute, and has corporate employment law on his side.
Be brave and continue to strike, and see what happens at the end of the year. I and many others do not think BA will last to the end of the year or hold you head high and walk into the crew room, bite your tongue, and you will see your concessions return, albeit quietly. Don't trust Unite, they are in it for themselves, for the glory of defeating Britains best and biggest airline.
I want to ask one point, and read my point very carefully as this is NOT galley gossip. What are you going to say to the rest of your BA colleagues, when the stalemate continues and the financial books go through the floor into the red ? What will you say when BA withdraw all staff concessions, for all staff. Which is what us on the outside can see happening as you will not win against WW and BA. HE has the backing of the Board and the shareholders in this dispute, and has corporate employment law on his side.
Be brave and continue to strike, and see what happens at the end of the year. I and many others do not think BA will last to the end of the year or hold you head high and walk into the crew room, bite your tongue, and you will see your concessions return, albeit quietly. Don't trust Unite, they are in it for themselves, for the glory of defeating Britains best and biggest airline.
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Rumour control in Waterside is beginning to suggest that future strikers may not be getting any work from now on and will just receive their basic pay while they remain at home or on perpetual standby. That ought to concentrate the minds of potential "yes" voters in the next ballot.
IMHO, whilst at face value keeping these people on the payroll without them doing anything useful does not seem a cost-effective idea, it will prevent them from "contaminating" the operation further, either by potentially causing divisiveness between strikers and strike-breakers or by invoking the minutiae of their agreements at the first provocation. When they start to get the idea that they will have to live solely on their basic pay and perhaps have to come to work regularly for standby in order to retain it, most of them will have little choice but to leave in the medium term. Whether the offer of New Fleet terms will be made to them remains to be seen.
It also has the advantage of rendering a further strike ballot impotent as many of the strikers will not have been in work for some time anyway and the chances of support from anyone who has not yet been on strike is virtually nil.
Not quite how I expected the dispute to end but it won't be the first time I've been surprised at the turn of events.
Back to normal before long I reckon.
HF
IMHO, whilst at face value keeping these people on the payroll without them doing anything useful does not seem a cost-effective idea, it will prevent them from "contaminating" the operation further, either by potentially causing divisiveness between strikers and strike-breakers or by invoking the minutiae of their agreements at the first provocation. When they start to get the idea that they will have to live solely on their basic pay and perhaps have to come to work regularly for standby in order to retain it, most of them will have little choice but to leave in the medium term. Whether the offer of New Fleet terms will be made to them remains to be seen.
It also has the advantage of rendering a further strike ballot impotent as many of the strikers will not have been in work for some time anyway and the chances of support from anyone who has not yet been on strike is virtually nil.
Not quite how I expected the dispute to end but it won't be the first time I've been surprised at the turn of events.
Back to normal before long I reckon.
HF
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If the figures of 20 Million savings a year per 1000 of old contract cabin crew converted to New contract, then one can see that it is a high stakes game.
I think most reasonable people can see that WW has got nothing to lose by his current course of action. If BASSA come up with their cost savings, he wins. If they sign a New contract, he wins. If they try to sit it out at home, he isn't bothered as his costs havent really changed. He pays the trip allowances to whomever flies the trip, whether it be a volunteer or the CC. I guess he is happy to have them sat at home, and leave the rest of BA staff to get on with making BA the World's Favourite airline again.
I think most reasonable people can see that WW has got nothing to lose by his current course of action. If BASSA come up with their cost savings, he wins. If they sign a New contract, he wins. If they try to sit it out at home, he isn't bothered as his costs havent really changed. He pays the trip allowances to whomever flies the trip, whether it be a volunteer or the CC. I guess he is happy to have them sat at home, and leave the rest of BA staff to get on with making BA the World's Favourite airline again.
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Not sure if anyone has read BA's latest roundup of weekly news called 'Up To Date' that replaces BA News today, but here is a quote from Willie Walsh:
We will counter any new threatened action by Unite, building on contingency plans we have developed to date and introducing a number of additional options we haven’t yet used.
Any striker reading the above should be worried, at least I would be if was in their shoes. The bit that would worry me is the introduction of a number of additional options yet to be used. Strikers, please take heed for your own sakes as many of you are reasonable colleagues who are being misled to your own detriment.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are my personal views.
We will counter any new threatened action by Unite, building on contingency plans we have developed to date and introducing a number of additional options we haven’t yet used.
Any striker reading the above should be worried, at least I would be if was in their shoes. The bit that would worry me is the introduction of a number of additional options yet to be used. Strikers, please take heed for your own sakes as many of you are reasonable colleagues who are being misled to your own detriment.
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are my personal views.
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Although I'm not in any way knowledgeable about employment law, I really doubt whether it is legal to discriminate against a group of employees in this way. And even if it is, to do this would only deepen the divide between Unite and BA. And remember, BA still needs to cooperate with Unite on a whole range of issues, not all of which relate to cabin crew.
My feeling is that WW will continue to tough this out. I see the continued recruitment of cabin crew, both internally and externally, as a major part of his strike-busting plan.
Rumour control in Waterside is beginning to suggest that future strikers may not be getting any work from now on and will just receive their basic pay while they remain at home or on perpetual standby.
My feeling is that WW will continue to tough this out. I see the continued recruitment of cabin crew, both internally and externally, as a major part of his strike-busting plan.
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Great post, Tiramisu (the one above, not the one about the scheduler, which I still wholeheartedly disagree with 
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There are a lot of VERY good people out on strike at the moment (well, a few days ago) who are there for all the wrong reasons.
Peer pressure, fear, ignorance, misplaced loyalty etc. A lot of people, as is evidenced by the continued use of "imposition" and "bullying" as reasons for being on strike, don't really know what they are on strike for. Hell, as someone who has always taken a keen interest in the union goings on, even I don't know what the strike is about anymore.
From Willie's point of view I think it's the same as it's always been : an attempt to weaken the union's stronghold on the company and, of course, to cut costs.
But from the point of view of the union, who have been made atleast three VERY reasonable offers, I think it's become a face-saving exercise.
BASSA promised its members that
a) staff travel is contractual and cannot be removed
b) that no settlement would be made without the full re-instatement of staff travel (why is this important if they're so confident in a court's duty being to give it back?)
and it looks as though Walsh isn't budging further than he already has done on that issue.
For those who have been out on strike both times around, I'd be bidding a fond farewell to staff travel forever.
Mr. Williams is a fairly regular visitor to my neck of the woods and I know that he's as adamant about the staff travel issue as Walsh is.
So we're in a stalemate. Walsh won't give back staff travel. Bassa won't do a deal without it. At the end of the day though, Walsh is holding a Royal Flush and Bassa is holding a pair of twos, a four, a three and that sh*tty instruction card.
). There are a lot of VERY good people out on strike at the moment (well, a few days ago) who are there for all the wrong reasons.
Peer pressure, fear, ignorance, misplaced loyalty etc. A lot of people, as is evidenced by the continued use of "imposition" and "bullying" as reasons for being on strike, don't really know what they are on strike for. Hell, as someone who has always taken a keen interest in the union goings on, even I don't know what the strike is about anymore.
From Willie's point of view I think it's the same as it's always been : an attempt to weaken the union's stronghold on the company and, of course, to cut costs.
But from the point of view of the union, who have been made atleast three VERY reasonable offers, I think it's become a face-saving exercise.
BASSA promised its members that
a) staff travel is contractual and cannot be removed
b) that no settlement would be made without the full re-instatement of staff travel (why is this important if they're so confident in a court's duty being to give it back?)
and it looks as though Walsh isn't budging further than he already has done on that issue.
For those who have been out on strike both times around, I'd be bidding a fond farewell to staff travel forever.
Mr. Williams is a fairly regular visitor to my neck of the woods and I know that he's as adamant about the staff travel issue as Walsh is.
So we're in a stalemate. Walsh won't give back staff travel. Bassa won't do a deal without it. At the end of the day though, Walsh is holding a Royal Flush and Bassa is holding a pair of twos, a four, a three and that sh*tty instruction card.
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Although I'm not in any way knowledgeable about employment law, I really doubt whether it is legal to discriminate against a group of employees in this way.
I await with interest....
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I find it incredible how there can be such a gaping chasm between the attitudes of some crew.
Those being interviewed on Channel 4 who claim to live in a climate of fear and bullying, and then those like myself who see BA as a great place to work with some (in general) great people, enjoying great compensation and benefits.
I must be missing the bullying stuff somehow.....
Those being interviewed on Channel 4 who claim to live in a climate of fear and bullying, and then those like myself who see BA as a great place to work with some (in general) great people, enjoying great compensation and benefits.
I must be missing the bullying stuff somehow.....
In recent years i've had to work a lot harder for that but i'm honest enough to admit in the past its been a picnic. The only ones complaining are those who want everything for nothing anyway. Similar to those striking at the min i'd guess. But what i have noticed is that those still trying to freeload are gradually being performance managed out of the company.
Those of us who have pride in our job and our company are still thriving and the environment is a very positive one as we gradually lose the deadwood. streamlined certainly, but becoming highly efficient !
My point, i think, is that BA is a tougher place to work these day but if you enjoy your line of work and take pride in what you do, its still a great place to be. I hope this is true for CC when all this eventually comes to an end
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Human Factor wrote:
There is custom and practice, though. For instance, if you are always allowed to go home after midday on Christmas Eve, then this custom and practice will almost certainly become contractual. 
So, being rostered for trips like all other crew may be regarded as contractual.
As you say, I await with interest ...
This is the point of interest. I don't believe there is anything in the existing cabin crew contracts which say they must fly. Provided they receive their basic pay, in the eyes of their contracts they are not being discriminated against. They are required to be "available" or to do "standby" on occasion but I would be surprised if there was anything contractual which stated how often this was permitted.
So, being rostered for trips like all other crew may be regarded as contractual.
As you say, I await with interest ...
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I cannot begin to imagine the sheer depth of the grey area that is "custom and practice".
All things considered I dont think BA will be leaving many strikers sat on the bench, one or two perhaps, but not most
For instance, if you are always allowed to go home after midday on Christmas Eve, then this custom and practice will almost certainly become contractual.
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BASSA Marketing Press Release
BASSA:Article from Marketing Week
Apart from knowing all about Operations, Bassa have now demonstrated their Knowledge about Marketing
>
> As another five-day strike draws to a close, discussions between
> British
> Airways' senior management and the unions representing its cabin crew
> will
> start once again. At some point - perhaps even in the next few days -
> the
> industrial action that has been eviscerating BA's operations since
> November will come to a close.
>
> However, as Kerris Bright, BA's new head of global marketing, starts
> work,
> she would be mistaken to assume that BA's troubles will end when the
> strikes are over. The repercussions of the industrial action will prove
> far more damaging than the strikes themselves.
> For starters, we have a brand that is in tatters. The old adage that it
> takes decades to build brand equity but only a few months to destroy it
> could not be truer than in the case of British Airways. For the past
> seven
> months the brand has been plastered all over the media in a series of
> off-message and entirely unwelcome situations.
>
> BA had invested millions over the years to foster an image of an
> efficient, warm, worldclass airline. All that work has been undone with
> a
> stream of inconsistent and contradictory brand images which have been
> accessed globally and on a weekly basis for more than half a year.
> The strike hasn't just affected BA's brand associations. It has
> encouraged
> loyal BA customers (the type you build a profitable airline around) to
> switch brands and try alternatives.
> Domestically, it has sent an army of travellers into the arms of budget
> carriers such as Ryanair and easyJet, who are more than happy to
> demonstrate to ex-BA customers just how ontime and low-cost their
> equivalent services are.
> Even on the more valuable long-haul routes the strikes have forced the
> biggest BA brand advocates to other airlines for their business travel.
> And, as these loyalists try out Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong or Qantas
> to
> Sydney, they discover two things. First, these airlines have a better
> service and a newer fleet. Second, thanks to the One World Alliance,
> passengers can claim the same frequent flyer points with these carriers
> as
> they would with BA.
> Of all the glittering benefits of brand equity, the long-term, stable
> marriage with loyal customers is surely the best of the lot. When a
> brand
> not only forces a break in the marriage, but also encourages its
> partner
> to wife-swap a little with other (as it turns out) better lovers, there
> is
> a costly divorce ahead.
> Loyalty is not the only benefit that BA enjoyed when it had a strong
> brand. There was also the delicious ability to charge premium fares.
> But
> those premium days are over for BA.
> Free upgrades from business class to first, special, limited time
> offers
> and low, low fares have become the norm over the past six months as BA
> attempted to shore up its lost traffic with price-based promotions. And
> of
> course it worked: it has got bums on seats. But it will have a much
> more
> pernicious impact on the BA brand than strike action.
> Aside from reducing margins, price promotions also destroy brand
> equity.
> Every time you run a price promotion, you are tempting the consumer
> with a
> commodity motivation (we will fly you to Hong Kong for less money than
> others) rather than a brand reason (you will fly BA because we are
> elite,
> British and superior).
> When a brand forces customers to wife-swap with other, better lovers,
> there is a costly divorce ahead.
> When the strike action does end, BA will find itself trapped in a
> no-fly
> zone between the genuinely low-cost carriers such as United Airlines
> and
> easyJet that it cannot profitably beat on price and the premium brands
> such as Singapore and Qantas, which are now a decade ahead of BA in
> terms
> of brand equity.
> And of course the other downside of the strike is the internal part of
> branding we rarely talk about. BA's eyes have been off the ball and on
> the
> strike for months now. Some 80% of BA's cabin crew voted to strike.
> That
> means that even when the industrial action ends, the vast majority of
> BA's
> cabin staff - the most important people when it comes to determining
> all-important service satisfaction - will be feeling antipathy and
> disloyalty to the current BA leadership team and the brand that fought
> them for months.
> On previous performance, the leadership of BA is not up to much either.
> The Terminal 5 fiasco did not just do untold damage to the BA brand;
> more
> importantly it revealed a management team that could not run the
> airline
> equivalent of a piss-up in a brewery.
> Operating an airline is a massive challenge, but if you can't open a
> terminal properly after ten years and GBP4bn of preparation, there is
> something wrong with the way you make decisions and run an
> organisation.
> And last, but not least, will someone ask BA chief executive Willie
> Walsh
> to try smiling? Or at least blinking. Walking round with that strange,
> frozen look on your face does not signal leadership. It makes you look
> like a robot
Apart from knowing all about Operations, Bassa have now demonstrated their Knowledge about Marketing
>
> As another five-day strike draws to a close, discussions between
> British
> Airways' senior management and the unions representing its cabin crew
> will
> start once again. At some point - perhaps even in the next few days -
> the
> industrial action that has been eviscerating BA's operations since
> November will come to a close.
>
> However, as Kerris Bright, BA's new head of global marketing, starts
> work,
> she would be mistaken to assume that BA's troubles will end when the
> strikes are over. The repercussions of the industrial action will prove
> far more damaging than the strikes themselves.
> For starters, we have a brand that is in tatters. The old adage that it
> takes decades to build brand equity but only a few months to destroy it
> could not be truer than in the case of British Airways. For the past
> seven
> months the brand has been plastered all over the media in a series of
> off-message and entirely unwelcome situations.
>
> BA had invested millions over the years to foster an image of an
> efficient, warm, worldclass airline. All that work has been undone with
> a
> stream of inconsistent and contradictory brand images which have been
> accessed globally and on a weekly basis for more than half a year.
> The strike hasn't just affected BA's brand associations. It has
> encouraged
> loyal BA customers (the type you build a profitable airline around) to
> switch brands and try alternatives.
> Domestically, it has sent an army of travellers into the arms of budget
> carriers such as Ryanair and easyJet, who are more than happy to
> demonstrate to ex-BA customers just how ontime and low-cost their
> equivalent services are.
> Even on the more valuable long-haul routes the strikes have forced the
> biggest BA brand advocates to other airlines for their business travel.
> And, as these loyalists try out Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong or Qantas
> to
> Sydney, they discover two things. First, these airlines have a better
> service and a newer fleet. Second, thanks to the One World Alliance,
> passengers can claim the same frequent flyer points with these carriers
> as
> they would with BA.
> Of all the glittering benefits of brand equity, the long-term, stable
> marriage with loyal customers is surely the best of the lot. When a
> brand
> not only forces a break in the marriage, but also encourages its
> partner
> to wife-swap a little with other (as it turns out) better lovers, there
> is
> a costly divorce ahead.
> Loyalty is not the only benefit that BA enjoyed when it had a strong
> brand. There was also the delicious ability to charge premium fares.
> But
> those premium days are over for BA.
> Free upgrades from business class to first, special, limited time
> offers
> and low, low fares have become the norm over the past six months as BA
> attempted to shore up its lost traffic with price-based promotions. And
> of
> course it worked: it has got bums on seats. But it will have a much
> more
> pernicious impact on the BA brand than strike action.
> Aside from reducing margins, price promotions also destroy brand
> equity.
> Every time you run a price promotion, you are tempting the consumer
> with a
> commodity motivation (we will fly you to Hong Kong for less money than
> others) rather than a brand reason (you will fly BA because we are
> elite,
> British and superior).
> When a brand forces customers to wife-swap with other, better lovers,
> there is a costly divorce ahead.
> When the strike action does end, BA will find itself trapped in a
> no-fly
> zone between the genuinely low-cost carriers such as United Airlines
> and
> easyJet that it cannot profitably beat on price and the premium brands
> such as Singapore and Qantas, which are now a decade ahead of BA in
> terms
> of brand equity.
> And of course the other downside of the strike is the internal part of
> branding we rarely talk about. BA's eyes have been off the ball and on
> the
> strike for months now. Some 80% of BA's cabin crew voted to strike.
> That
> means that even when the industrial action ends, the vast majority of
> BA's
> cabin staff - the most important people when it comes to determining
> all-important service satisfaction - will be feeling antipathy and
> disloyalty to the current BA leadership team and the brand that fought
> them for months.
> On previous performance, the leadership of BA is not up to much either.
> The Terminal 5 fiasco did not just do untold damage to the BA brand;
> more
> importantly it revealed a management team that could not run the
> airline
> equivalent of a piss-up in a brewery.
> Operating an airline is a massive challenge, but if you can't open a
> terminal properly after ten years and GBP4bn of preparation, there is
> something wrong with the way you make decisions and run an
> organisation.
> And last, but not least, will someone ask BA chief executive Willie
> Walsh
> to try smiling? Or at least blinking. Walking round with that strange,
> frozen look on your face does not signal leadership. It makes you look
> like a robot
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Funny how Unite chose not to highlight this less favourable commentary from the same publication:
Striking out at BA can only backfire | News | Marketing Week
Striking out at BA can only backfire | News | Marketing Week
Despite growing up in a left-leaning household, I share this pragmatic and puzzled view of the BA strikes. I’m confused as to what those taking industrial action think the future should look like. The BA brand enjoyed dominance in another age when things were so, so different. Now it is time to cut its cloth to survive. Is this not obvious?
In the meantime, the strikers are making a mockery of the usefulness of unions. Those following Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson seem to be striking against modernity itself. They are not only damaging the BA brand, but with their Twitter mishaps and stubborn refusal to budge, they are harming our perception of the Unite brand as well.
In the meantime, the strikers are making a mockery of the usefulness of unions. Those following Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson seem to be striking against modernity itself. They are not only damaging the BA brand, but with their Twitter mishaps and stubborn refusal to budge, they are harming our perception of the Unite brand as well.
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Beerdrinker,
Are you suggesting that this article was written by BASSA.
If so you will find it was a copy from MARKETING WEEK magazine.
This is an independent opinion that nether backs BASSA or WW.
I think it contains some very good points.
Are you suggesting that this article was written by BASSA.
If so you will find it was a copy from MARKETING WEEK magazine.
This is an independent opinion that nether backs BASSA or WW.
I think it contains some very good points.
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Great post, as someone on the other side of the locked door I have read most of your posts throughout the last 6 months and wish that just a few more crew would be as supportive as yourself.
With regard to the future, the BASSA hard-liners will NEVER read or believe anything written by the company, I just don't think that they have it in them. So what will they believe, we basic hard facts - New Contract or P45 in 90 Days.
If BASSA decide to strike again, firstly I think that it will be on very dodgy ground, secondly WW has the potential to run 100% service with a combination of reduced crew/service, more VCCs and "other" means. 12 weeks after the next strike BA will be running like clock-work, 90 Days notice for New Contract will be up and those that are still involved with IA will be OUT. Out by having resigned rather than being dismissed.
I do have a problem with the New Contract option, and that is how to not take down the existing crew that have worked through te IA. I am confident that WW would issue New Contracts that are equal to the deal offered by BA last June - after all it saved the necessary £millions. As for the £120M lost so far, I reckon it will be written off as a cost of ridding the airline of BASSA and it's most millitant members. I would presume that some form of No-Strike condition would be attached to the New Contract.
As for the future of the brand, a name change to BA.com (he did it at Aer Lingus) and a massive autumn/winter promotion to get the premium cabins buzzing again.
With regard to the future, the BASSA hard-liners will NEVER read or believe anything written by the company, I just don't think that they have it in them. So what will they believe, we basic hard facts - New Contract or P45 in 90 Days.
If BASSA decide to strike again, firstly I think that it will be on very dodgy ground, secondly WW has the potential to run 100% service with a combination of reduced crew/service, more VCCs and "other" means. 12 weeks after the next strike BA will be running like clock-work, 90 Days notice for New Contract will be up and those that are still involved with IA will be OUT. Out by having resigned rather than being dismissed.
I do have a problem with the New Contract option, and that is how to not take down the existing crew that have worked through te IA. I am confident that WW would issue New Contracts that are equal to the deal offered by BA last June - after all it saved the necessary £millions. As for the £120M lost so far, I reckon it will be written off as a cost of ridding the airline of BASSA and it's most millitant members. I would presume that some form of No-Strike condition would be attached to the New Contract.
As for the future of the brand, a name change to BA.com (he did it at Aer Lingus) and a massive autumn/winter promotion to get the premium cabins buzzing again.
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BA has shown a total disregard towards its collective agreements by using employees from other work areas within the Company to operate Worldwide and Eurofleet routes on reduced terms. This, along with the introduction of temporary cabin crew on terms and conditions which are contrary to those agreed within Worldwide and Eurofleet agreements, is totally unacceptable. The company’s actions have created an unworkable environment.
Not so long ago the union were claiming the VCC are pilots being paid £150 an hour to work the other side of the cockpit door and now they are saying they were working on "reduced terms".
What exactly is an "unworkable environment"? Doesn't the fact that the strikers are now back at work indicate that it is a workable environment?
What exactly is Unite's demand? That BA pay the VCC and temporary cabin crew the same as regular cabin crew for their work during the strike?
The removal of travel concessions from individuals who have exercised their right to participate in lawful strike action is viewed as vindictive and therefore totally unacceptable. Unite is seeking the full reinstatement of this important item immediately and without pre-condition.
We consider the disciplinary action taken against Unite members for various misdemeanours related to the current industrial dispute as vindictive, disproportionate and unnecessary. Unite is therefore seeking the withdrawal of all disciplinary measures administered to Unite members under those circumstances discussed during the recent negotiations.
Are there any Unite members who were the victims of the bullying or harassment for which staff have been subject to disciplinaries?
If so, what would happen if disciplinaries were dropped and an alleged victim instituted a grievance (EG903) complaint against BA for its failure to properly follow up their complaint of being bullied or harassed and asked their union to provide a rep to represent them?
At a hearing a Unite rep would have to tell BA that it had acted improperly by withdrawing a disciplinary measure as demanded by Unite.
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As for the future of the brand, a name change to BA.com (he did it at Aer Lingus) and a massive autumn/winter promotion to get the premium cabins buzzing again
well well well, d'you work at waterside perchance? cos certainly seems to be the buzz around town at the moment. hats are seemingly a big part of the equation ladies!
As for the future of the brand, a name change to BA.com (he did it at Aer Lingus) and a massive autumn/winter promotion to get the premium cabins buzzing again
well well well, d'you work at waterside perchance? cos certainly seems to be the buzz around town at the moment. hats are seemingly a big part of the equation ladies!
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Not a Watersider unfortunately..... just a P2 who hope to have a long career in a successful, 21st Century airline. A new name would have to be part of the package, IMHO.
ps. Have only been to Waterside once for some Focus Day, no rush to go back
ps. Have only been to Waterside once for some Focus Day, no rush to go back
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big announcements ahead, rebranding etc. hopefully those who worked, especially lgw, lcy, and the sauasages at lhr, will be represented. otherwise, what was the point. and this is vital, otherwise the animosity and resentment towards management will stay.