British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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BASSA rep Penny White
and this would be former BASSA rep Penny White!!! Didn't she retire around 4 years ago? isn't she on the bassa payroll?
and this would be former BASSA rep Penny White!!! Didn't she retire around 4 years ago? isn't she on the bassa payroll?
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She might work for BASSA but like the rest of them she doesn't work for the best interests of the members! That office over on the Bath road is turning into something of a refuge for the sacked and sidelined of BA. Corrupt schedulers, union secretaries holding on to roles that should have gone with their jobs. With such a dysfunctional and desperate group it's no wonder that the generous offer of shares, free tickets, and no separate new fleet has been consigned to history.
I wait for the day that the BASSA leadership admit their failures and resign on mass throwing the posts open to a general election. After all it is often claimed that the union is a pillar of democracy, and after such a defeat it is the only democratic option left.
I wait for the day that the BASSA leadership admit their failures and resign on mass throwing the posts open to a general election. After all it is often claimed that the union is a pillar of democracy, and after such a defeat it is the only democratic option left.
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bee leaf a bull!!
Bullying? What Bullying!
I suspect its the "get out" clause to use if they are approached by anyone outside the cabin crew bubble for their opinions on the strike. The BA backers do not have to bow in shame at BBQs and parties in case a fellow party goer whose holiday or business schedules have been disrupted asks for justification of the industrial action. The same applies at the school gates and amongst friends who are not cabin crew. Lets face it BASSA has no public sympathy and the moral high ground belongs to the BA backers.
Many strikers must find themselves in that uncomfortable position where they are asked Why Strike? The safe respone is to bemoan the bullying and harrasement from the company. It will garner sympathy because nobody likes a bully and everyone supports the underdog. Just like the many rumours that are believed within the community because they repeated several times until many crew accept it as fact.
We know the company's strong position against bullying so let the diciplinery process deal with those who bully and for the remainging 98% plus of us lets keep the flag flying.
I suspect its the "get out" clause to use if they are approached by anyone outside the cabin crew bubble for their opinions on the strike. The BA backers do not have to bow in shame at BBQs and parties in case a fellow party goer whose holiday or business schedules have been disrupted asks for justification of the industrial action. The same applies at the school gates and amongst friends who are not cabin crew. Lets face it BASSA has no public sympathy and the moral high ground belongs to the BA backers.
Many strikers must find themselves in that uncomfortable position where they are asked Why Strike? The safe respone is to bemoan the bullying and harrasement from the company. It will garner sympathy because nobody likes a bully and everyone supports the underdog. Just like the many rumours that are believed within the community because they repeated several times until many crew accept it as fact.
We know the company's strong position against bullying so let the diciplinery process deal with those who bully and for the remainging 98% plus of us lets keep the flag flying.
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Have I got news for you!
Here is the link for the channel 4 news item today. Not biased either way but the crews answers lacked specifics and should have been challenged.
Angry BA cabin crew may strike again - Channel 4 News
Angry BA cabin crew may strike again - Channel 4 News
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Originally Posted by Flying Nunn
That office over on the Bath road is turning into something of a refuge for the sacked and sidelined of BA. Corrupt schedulers
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Originally Posted by Flying Nunn
That office over on the Bath road is turning into something of a refuge for the sacked and sidelined of BA. Corrupt schedulers
Originally Posted by Flying Nunn
That office over on the Bath road is turning into something of a refuge for the sacked and sidelined of BA. Corrupt schedulers
Originally posted by Eddy
Gotta take issue with that statement..... The person you're referring to was perhaps the fairest, most caring person dealing with crew on a day to day basis. He was an asset to the company and an asset to the crew community and, of course, sometimes that makes the company uncomfortable
Gotta take issue with that statement..... The person you're referring to was perhaps the fairest, most caring person dealing with crew on a day to day basis. He was an asset to the company and an asset to the crew community and, of course, sometimes that makes the company uncomfortable
During the last strike in '97, days before the strike took place, the sacked scheduler was rostering trips to gutless CSDs full of bravado crying "strike, strike" knowing full well they were going to be away, stuck in outstations on lucrative nightstops for four to five days. This is fact, as unfortunately I happened to be stuck on a nightstop with one of them.
The so called scheduler was also leaking like a sieve, giving inside information to the BASSA reps whilst on duty during the strike.
On another note, interesting that the previous Chairman of BASSA has resigned from the UNION (I don't mean La la by the way.)
I'm BA cabin crew and the above are my personal views.
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The new wording for the next phase of industrial action.
- BA has shown a total disregard towards its collective agreements by using employees from other work areas within the Company to operate Worldwide and Eurofleet routes on reduced terms. This, along with the introduction of temporary cabin crew on terms and conditions which are contrary to those agreed within Worldwide and Eurofleet agreements, is totally unacceptable. The company’s actions have created an unworkable environment.
- The removal of travel concessions from individuals who have exercised their right to participate in lawful strike action is viewed as vindictive and therefore totally unacceptable. Unite is seeking the full reinstatement of this important item immediately and without pre-condition.
- We consider the disciplinary action taken against Unite members for various misdemeanours related to the current industrial dispute as vindictive, disproportionate and unnecessary. Unite is therefore seeking the withdrawal of all disciplinary measures administered to Unite members under those circumstances discussed during the recent negotiations.
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The last two reasons have been cited by BASSA as being reasons for the current round of action so they will be void as a new action and the current action cannot be linked.
As for the first, BA may have grounds to say to the court that it has a responsibility to it's shareholders to keep the airline flying and this was it's only method of doing so (to be fair, they may not).
Therefore, I see two options:
BA invoke SOSR and impose the previously "agreed" terms whilst at the same time begin recruiting onto New Fleet. This will render the strike irrelevant as the strikers will be obliged to sign the new contract and come to work or will be deemed to have resigned. If they sign it, they will be seen in the eyes of the law to have accepted it, meaning that a new strike ballot would be on very dodgy ground. How can you strike because you believe parts of your contract are unacceptable if you have just signed it?
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Just begin recruiting onto New Fleet and to all intents and purposes ignore the strike as it would appear that WW is confident that he will crew the entire operation with strike breakers, volunteers and seconded ground staff.
My vote goes to the former.
As for the first, BA may have grounds to say to the court that it has a responsibility to it's shareholders to keep the airline flying and this was it's only method of doing so (to be fair, they may not).
Therefore, I see two options:
BA invoke SOSR and impose the previously "agreed" terms whilst at the same time begin recruiting onto New Fleet. This will render the strike irrelevant as the strikers will be obliged to sign the new contract and come to work or will be deemed to have resigned. If they sign it, they will be seen in the eyes of the law to have accepted it, meaning that a new strike ballot would be on very dodgy ground. How can you strike because you believe parts of your contract are unacceptable if you have just signed it?
or:
Just begin recruiting onto New Fleet and to all intents and purposes ignore the strike as it would appear that WW is confident that he will crew the entire operation with strike breakers, volunteers and seconded ground staff.
My vote goes to the former.
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Point 1: An unworkable environment for those that that choose to make it an unworkable environment.
Point 2: Pursuing the unconditional return of ST, will open a Pandora's Box that will affect the UK wide aviation industry - good luck.
Point 3: Overturn a procedure signed up to by the very union tryng to reverse it? Now that is just plain daft.
Guys and Gals, Page 83, of the Daily Mail contains an advert for Qatar Airways CC recruitment. My point? Do your research, and realise their T&Cs. Then you may appreciate how utterly 'reasonable' the BA lifestyle is.
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Point 2: Pursuing the unconditional return of ST, will open a Pandora's Box that will affect the UK wide aviation industry - good luck.
Point 3: Overturn a procedure signed up to by the very union tryng to reverse it? Now that is just plain daft.
Guys and Gals, Page 83, of the Daily Mail contains an advert for Qatar Airways CC recruitment. My point? Do your research, and realise their T&Cs. Then you may appreciate how utterly 'reasonable' the BA lifestyle is.
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Guys and Gals, Page 83, of the Daily Mail contains an advert for Qatar Airways CC recruitment. My point? Do your research, and realise their T&Cs. Then you may appreciate how utterly 'reasonable' the BA lifestyle is.
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Where's Watersidewonker?
If, as you wrote previously when I asked, the current action was about imposition, why were Woodley and co bleating during the current action that it was about the return of Staff Travel and the lifting of disciplinary action? Woodley stated that if BA were to return staff travel, the current action would have been suspended. Therefore, why is it considered that a new ballot can use staff travel or disciplinaries as a reason when it is directly connected to the previous action?
Further:
Obviously Watersidewonker believes that if the above statement stands, it should also apply to the pilots who have recently found themselves in hot water. Otherwise those measures could be deemed disproportionate if they only applied to one staff group.
If, as you wrote previously when I asked, the current action was about imposition, why were Woodley and co bleating during the current action that it was about the return of Staff Travel and the lifting of disciplinary action? Woodley stated that if BA were to return staff travel, the current action would have been suspended. Therefore, why is it considered that a new ballot can use staff travel or disciplinaries as a reason when it is directly connected to the previous action?
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We consider the disciplinary action taken against Unite members for various misdemeanours related to the current industrial dispute as vindictive, disproportionate and unnecessary. Unite is therefore seeking the withdrawal of all disciplinary measures administered to Unite members under those circumstances discussed during the recent negotiations.
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Ranger, spot on.
The ONLY time I've EVERY felt intimidated at British Airways is RIGHT NOW.
I'm preparing to leave home for a trip and I'm nervous about it. HOW DARE anyone make me feel like that. I shall keep my head high, though, for my pride in having come to work is stronger than that 'fear'.
But I'm not now, nor have I ever been, scared of the company or its managers. I'm scared of (an absolute minority of) the people I'm going to be working in the cabin with.
Oddly enough I've heard of someone on the Crew Forum saying that they are scared of coming into work to work with strike-breakers.
That ANYONE should feel scared is unacceptable. I urge everyone - regardless of what side of the fence you're on - to report all B&H incidents.
The ONLY time I've EVERY felt intimidated at British Airways is RIGHT NOW.
I'm preparing to leave home for a trip and I'm nervous about it. HOW DARE anyone make me feel like that. I shall keep my head high, though, for my pride in having come to work is stronger than that 'fear'.
But I'm not now, nor have I ever been, scared of the company or its managers. I'm scared of (an absolute minority of) the people I'm going to be working in the cabin with.
Oddly enough I've heard of someone on the Crew Forum saying that they are scared of coming into work to work with strike-breakers.
That ANYONE should feel scared is unacceptable. I urge everyone - regardless of what side of the fence you're on - to report all B&H incidents.
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Remember your Captain is responsible under JPMs for your wellbeing whenever you're away from base, so talk to him/her if you have any problems.
That applies whatever "side" you're on.
Remember your Captain is responsible under JPMs for your wellbeing whenever you're away from base, so talk to him/her if you have any problems.
That applies whatever "side" you're on.
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I'm not a legal expert, but I keep reading quotes on the BBC news website in which Unite state that they've pretty much agreed on all the terms now and that the main outstanding grievance is the reinstatement of travel perks. However, as the latter were never part of the T&Cs of employees then I'd have thought legally the union members would have no right to strike and therefore, could potentially be disciplined or sacked? Either that or BA would have a good case for taking legal action against (and potentially seeking financial reimbursement from) Unite/BASSA?
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I agree, when it comes to the day the great majority of us will just get on with it. If people want to choose who to mix with down route than that is their right. Everyone should remember that as well as the captain and your other colleagues there is also crewcare, help direct, etc, all there to help. It might take time, but the wounds will heal.
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Willie is foregoing his bonus the beeb reports. He is giving up 35% of his total package this year.
And a nice quote by the BBC:
"I regret that we found ourselves at loggerheads with very valued members of staff at a critical time. "When we have had the chance to explain our proposals directly, many understand what our agenda is really about - to secure jobs in the airline and put the business on a footing where it can achieve the growth it needs to survive long-term.
"They understand that, without change, British Airways will just shrink and shrink and shrink."
And a nice quote by the BBC:
"I regret that we found ourselves at loggerheads with very valued members of staff at a critical time. "When we have had the chance to explain our proposals directly, many understand what our agenda is really about - to secure jobs in the airline and put the business on a footing where it can achieve the growth it needs to survive long-term.
"They understand that, without change, British Airways will just shrink and shrink and shrink."
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Guys and Gals, Page 83, of the Daily Mail contains an advert for Qatar Airways CC recruitment. My point? Do your research, and realise their T&Cs. Then you may appreciate how utterly 'reasonable' the BA lifestyle is.
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I'm not a legal expert, but I keep reading quotes on the BBC news website in which Unite state that they've pretty much agreed on all the terms now and that the main outstanding grievance is the reinstatement of travel perks. However, as the latter were never part of the T&Cs of employees then I'd have thought legally the union members would have no right to strike and therefore, could potentially be disciplined or sacked? Either that or BA would have a good case for taking legal action against (and potentially seeking financial reimbursement from) Unite/BASSA?
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Ottergirl,
That is the first I hear of BA not wanting Unite to accept their proposals, can you enlighten me? Also BA and Unite can agree all they want, it is BASSA that needs to agree and convince their hard liners.
And that’s where the sticky issue lies...
While Unite and Tony Woodley have seen sense and managed to negotiate at reasonable level with limited successful outcome, it is BASSA who keep making it very clear that they don't give a dam what Unite and Willy negotiate.
One could call BASSA a Unite division gone out of control.
I am quite certain that if it wasn't for Unite trying to save face and their reputation, they would love to wash their hands clean of the militant and blatantly unrealistic BASSA branch.
The amount of money BASSA has cost Unite by now has ruffled many feathers at Unite headquarters
That is the first I hear of BA not wanting Unite to accept their proposals, can you enlighten me? Also BA and Unite can agree all they want, it is BASSA that needs to agree and convince their hard liners.
And that’s where the sticky issue lies...
While Unite and Tony Woodley have seen sense and managed to negotiate at reasonable level with limited successful outcome, it is BASSA who keep making it very clear that they don't give a dam what Unite and Willy negotiate.
One could call BASSA a Unite division gone out of control.
I am quite certain that if it wasn't for Unite trying to save face and their reputation, they would love to wash their hands clean of the militant and blatantly unrealistic BASSA branch.
The amount of money BASSA has cost Unite by now has ruffled many feathers at Unite headquarters
Restructuring?
I know very little about employment law, but might it be possible for BA to makee a case calling for the "restructuring" of CC?
This would mean that everyone would have to be re-interviewed for their jobs, something which the company has done in many other departments over the years.
Of course, only those who passed the interview would remain as CC, whilst those who do not must either be offered alternative employment within the company (legally at the same pay scale or one grade lower, not too good without allowances etc), or severance.
This would mean that everyone would have to be re-interviewed for their jobs, something which the company has done in many other departments over the years.
Of course, only those who passed the interview would remain as CC, whilst those who do not must either be offered alternative employment within the company (legally at the same pay scale or one grade lower, not too good without allowances etc), or severance.