British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Departing flights
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Could it be that keeping "an eye" wasn't quite the same as keeping a meticulous record of all departures (from 0620 to 2230) and comparing them to BA's pre-strike schedule?
We kept an eye online on departing flights at BFC throughout the strike and according to our calculations BA did not increase its schedule as much as they claimed.
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TBC is a car park/office building which contains the engine workshop and composite shop along with the training school - not aircraft.
You are correct, although just to add that TBC 9th floor is occupied by 200+ Engineering support personnel, which have a very good view of the airfield!
TBC is a car park/office building which contains the engine workshop and composite shop along with the training school - not aircraft.
You are correct, although just to add that TBC 9th floor is occupied by 200+ Engineering support personnel, which have a very good view of the airfield!
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Different uniform standards? They should be the same when it comes to the lanyard. Either you are allowed to wear your union's lanyard or you are not. It shouldn't be different rules.
It was not a CSD who asked me to remove it. It was a member of the uniform police brigade who asked me to remove my lanyard.
Wirbelsturm
Quite a few cabin crew were present at BFC. I recognised a fair share of them myself. The majority of the crew I have worked with so far went on strike. It's very easy to spot non-strikebreakers and strikebreakers onboard.
Would my colleagues be too happy with the increased productivity? I assume there are different opinions but if we are to believe BA, who obviously cannot lie because they are a PLC, the majority went to work and they seem to be pleased with it. If not, there are always a couple of blacklegs in the company who could be called in at short notice.
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Fact is that BA did not increase its schedules as much as they said they would. Members on other forums have also reported this as they have monitored every day of the operation. It's all spin when it comes to BA.
Different uniform standards? They should be the same when it comes to the lanyard. Either you are allowed to wear your union's lanyard or you are not. It shouldn't be different rules.
It was not a CSD who asked me to remove it. It was a member of the uniform police brigade who asked me to remove my lanyard.
Wirbelsturm
Quite a few cabin crew were present at BFC. I recognised a fair share of them myself. The majority of the crew I have worked with so far went on strike. It's very easy to spot non-strikebreakers and strikebreakers onboard.
Would my colleagues be too happy with the increased productivity? I assume there are different opinions but if we are to believe BA, who obviously cannot lie because they are a PLC, the majority went to work and they seem to be pleased with it. If not, there are always a couple of blacklegs in the company who could be called in at short notice.
Caribbean Boy
Fact is that BA did not increase its schedules as much as they said they would. Members on other forums have also reported this as they have monitored every day of the operation. It's all spin when it comes to BA.
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That's right MissM
Everything from the company is spin, and everything from the union is gospel.
Quick question for you (apologies if you have answered this already).
Where would you like to be in 1 years time (with regards to T's and C's etc) and where do you think you will be in 1 years time.
I personally think there will be a big gap between the two
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GBD
Everything from the company is spin, and everything from the union is gospel.
Quick question for you (apologies if you have answered this already).
Where would you like to be in 1 years time (with regards to T's and C's etc) and where do you think you will be in 1 years time.
I personally think there will be a big gap between the two
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Who's spinning?
It's all spin when it comes to BA.
Then, during the latest strike period the union's claimed cost had magically come down to £7m a day.
I'm more inclined to believe the number produced by BA (particularly those that are released to the City) than anything Unite comes up with.
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Miss M
Crew have never been allowed to wear lanyards that are not authorised by BA.
The reason no-one is bothered about BALPA lanyards is that the pilots haven't been on strike, BALPA hasn't cost BA millions and unlike BASSA lanyards they do not, by the wearing of, cause intimidation like the BASSA ones do.
Why should BA let union members effectively advertise their union and their membership of such union while serving their passengers. The very passengers that have had their holidays ruined by BASSA.
Crew have never been allowed to wear lanyards that are not authorised by BA.
The reason no-one is bothered about BALPA lanyards is that the pilots haven't been on strike, BALPA hasn't cost BA millions and unlike BASSA lanyards they do not, by the wearing of, cause intimidation like the BASSA ones do.
Why should BA let union members effectively advertise their union and their membership of such union while serving their passengers. The very passengers that have had their holidays ruined by BASSA.
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Is this the same socialist worker that crew love to hate?
Unite 4 Labour in Edinburgh: Derek Simpson fails to deliver|17Apr10|Socialist Worker
I'm off at the mo on unpaid leave, but just got back in the UK, so have been doing some asking around.
1. Crew that have been on strike, I'm told less than 4000 by a couple of contacts, another said "about 30%". BASSA do not know, only that for the first 2 waves of strike action there were 2500 claims for strike pay, bearing in mind this number includes duplicate claims, ie those that went on strike the first wave and again got caught the second time
so it is less than 2500 individuals.
2. MissM said
well then I look forward to our biggest shareholders (and some smaller ones) taking BA to court for perjury, FYI some of the biggest shareholders talk to WW daily
3. Someone asked about the big announcement on or around the 12th, I have been asking myself, seems that WW does not want to go down that more extreme route ,that has been suggested, but there are some directors that do! Strange that unknown to some Cabin Crew WW may actually be stopping some of the more extreme measures
Unite 4 Labour in Edinburgh: Derek Simpson fails to deliver|17Apr10|Socialist Worker
I'm off at the mo on unpaid leave, but just got back in the UK, so have been doing some asking around.
1. Crew that have been on strike, I'm told less than 4000 by a couple of contacts, another said "about 30%". BASSA do not know, only that for the first 2 waves of strike action there were 2500 claims for strike pay, bearing in mind this number includes duplicate claims, ie those that went on strike the first wave and again got caught the second time
so it is less than 2500 individuals.2. MissM said
It's all spin when it comes to BA.
3. Someone asked about the big announcement on or around the 12th, I have been asking myself, seems that WW does not want to go down that more extreme route ,that has been suggested, but there are some directors that do! Strange that unknown to some Cabin Crew WW may actually be stopping some of the more extreme measures
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3. Someone asked about the big announcement on or around the 12th, I have been asking myself, seems that WW does not want to go down that more extreme route ,that has been suggested, but there are some directors that do! Strange that unknown to some Cabin Crew WW may actually be stopping some of the more extreme measures
I was at Cranebank yesterday and there are 6-7 courses of Volunteers being trained (and none are pilots) ... I think this says it all, as WW said - the next strike we will operate 100% and be unaffected by the strikers.
However, the strikers will lose pay .... lets hope at the next ballot people vote against strikes, because I think WW will sack strikers next time around.
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Miss M,
The irony of your reply astounds me.
You are currently fighting a dispute over your Unions inability to negotiate thus, in order for the company to salvage its operation from potential bankruptcy, the company imposed change as one might do with a naughty child.
Part of that imposition was increased productivity to allow 2000+ voluntary redundancies to tale place avoiding the nasty spectre of compulsory.
You and your Union have called WW the devil incarnate over this and now you admit you want the same in order to get your cushy VR payout?
Duplicity?
I think so. Will you be stepping from the job centre queue into a nice little earner with the Union like the rest of the Unite leaders have done in the past when they killed their cash cow in the name of the brotherhood?
The irony of your reply astounds me.
You are currently fighting a dispute over your Unions inability to negotiate thus, in order for the company to salvage its operation from potential bankruptcy, the company imposed change as one might do with a naughty child.
Part of that imposition was increased productivity to allow 2000+ voluntary redundancies to tale place avoiding the nasty spectre of compulsory.
You and your Union have called WW the devil incarnate over this and now you admit you want the same in order to get your cushy VR payout?
Duplicity?
I think so. Will you be stepping from the job centre queue into a nice little earner with the Union like the rest of the Unite leaders have done in the past when they killed their cash cow in the name of the brotherhood?
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Yup, as soon as BASSA realise that BA is a business, and is being run as a business, and will continue to run as a business, with all the attendent frippery that goes with running a business, the better. WW has moved on from negotiating with the union. Why? because BASSA/UNITE are now in an argument, not negotiation, but an argument and in this dispute an argument results in thw 'win' 'lose' scenario. BASSA/UNITE want to win. However, the lack of nous/witlessness of the union has failed to realise that Walsh does not argue - he negotiates...and he is a very skilled negotiator. As soon as Woodley, Simpson and that incoherent scouse bloke who purports to represent his members (Mc summat), started down the aggresive, argumentative, name-calling, tub thumping route, Walsh walked and took with him the support of those that matter.
The UK is about to embark on a series of austerity measures that will make the pips sqweek. Why are BASSA/UNITE following this path of protectionism?
Miss Malone knows. ASK HER. GET HER TO ARTICULATE.
The UK is about to embark on a series of austerity measures that will make the pips sqweek. Why are BASSA/UNITE following this path of protectionism?
Miss Malone knows. ASK HER. GET HER TO ARTICULATE.
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Nobody can say where they will be in one year. I hope to still be employed by BA and making the sort of money I earn today.
Betty girl
I can't actually be bothered if they have been authorised by BA or not. Either you should be allowed to wear the lanyard issued by your union or not, despite working group. I gather BA cannot ask the pilots not to wear their BALPA lanyard because then they would probably lose their support. It's not only BASSA who are holding BA ransom allegedly... and by this I am not only referring to this issue.
BASSA are not the only one to be blamed. All of the strikebreaking crew, including the VCC, should also be held responsible. If they hadn't reported for duty, this strike would have been over in days. The strikebreaking crew should be ashamed of themselves for not having the courage to go on strike whilst enjoying the terms and conditions which BASSA have fought hard for. The VCC should be worried that if there's enough time for them to go through 21 days of training and being absent from their jobs whilst being out on flying duties, their jobs don't seem to be that important.
License to Fly
None are pilots? Are they taken from other departments in BA? Read my reply above. If there's time for them to go through training, their jobs cannot be that important. Maybe they should be worried about their own employment rather instead than "backing" BA.
Let BA train as many volunteers as they want. I, and many others, will go on strike for as long as it takes. We all do what we believe in.
You think WW will sack us next time around? By all means, let him do it. At least I would have fought hard and held my head high throughout this dispute.
Nobody can say where they will be in one year. I hope to still be employed by BA and making the sort of money I earn today.
Betty girl
I can't actually be bothered if they have been authorised by BA or not. Either you should be allowed to wear the lanyard issued by your union or not, despite working group. I gather BA cannot ask the pilots not to wear their BALPA lanyard because then they would probably lose their support. It's not only BASSA who are holding BA ransom allegedly... and by this I am not only referring to this issue.
BASSA are not the only one to be blamed. All of the strikebreaking crew, including the VCC, should also be held responsible. If they hadn't reported for duty, this strike would have been over in days. The strikebreaking crew should be ashamed of themselves for not having the courage to go on strike whilst enjoying the terms and conditions which BASSA have fought hard for. The VCC should be worried that if there's enough time for them to go through 21 days of training and being absent from their jobs whilst being out on flying duties, their jobs don't seem to be that important.
License to Fly
None are pilots? Are they taken from other departments in BA? Read my reply above. If there's time for them to go through training, their jobs cannot be that important. Maybe they should be worried about their own employment rather instead than "backing" BA.
Let BA train as many volunteers as they want. I, and many others, will go on strike for as long as it takes. We all do what we believe in.
You think WW will sack us next time around? By all means, let him do it. At least I would have fought hard and held my head high throughout this dispute.
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..your posts attract interest MissM. 'The sort of money I earn today' is a telling phrase. The rest of BA employeses, doubtless, feel the same. The difference being 'other groups' have acted responsibly and with long-term, pro-active, negotiated settlements. Interestingly, BASSA believe that their share of the productivity pie should remain as thinly sliced as ever. It's a business MiisM, and your a bean, and you are being counted.
MissM
It's not only BASSA who are holding BA ransom allegedly... and by this I am not only referring to this issue.
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Let BA train as many volunteers as they want. I, and many others, will go on strike for as long as it takes. We all do what we believe in.
BA doesn't have to train that many volunteers anymore. A couple of my friends who were temporary crew are being brought back and have accepted contracts starting on the 7th of July. Seriously, are you not worried what that might mean for future striking crews?
If BA wants to get rid off me, they either have to offer me VR or sack me. I will not resign voluntarily
Why should Willie Walsh give a golden handshake to those who've tried to wreck BA? VR is not going to happen, no way.
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MissM
None are pilots? Are they taken from other departments in BA? Read my reply above. If there's time for them to go through training, their jobs cannot be that important. Maybe they should be worried about their own employment rather instead than "backing" BA.
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Quite frankly I hope you do all strike because quite frankly it has got to the stage that those of us who backed BA don't actually wany to work with any of you anymore. I would now be more than happy for some of you BASSA lanyard waving militants to actually get the sack.
How dare they wreck our security in the process and undo ALL we have done.
I honestly believe the only way forward is without them.
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If BA wants to get rid off me, they either have to offer me VR or sack me. I will not resign voluntarily.
Oddly enough many of the CC who I have flown with have also said they were strikers, to one another and especially other crew that they know were on strike. The rational of the company 'bullying and harassing' seems to be lost on the Union members who describe their peers as 'scabs' and 'blacklegs' when they choose not to support destructive, vindictive IA.
The atmosphere during the strikes onboard was very pleasant without the BASSA hotheads bleating about everything.
The sooner the militant minority are ejected from BA the better.