British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Enough is Enough!
invented by cynical managers who have worked for this
company for a couple of years, yet this "sound bite" is also being
unquestioningly and naively swallowed by people who have worked for BA for
decades who really should know better. Their loyalty should be to the
airline that they remember, not to the one being rebuilt in Mr. Walsh's
image. For when it's their turn to be sacrificed for greater profit, make
no mistake, they will be, pilots included.
We are all British Airways, not just those who work in Waterside; what
gave them the right to hijack our airline's good name for their own ends?
company for a couple of years, yet this "sound bite" is also being
unquestioningly and naively swallowed by people who have worked for BA for
decades who really should know better. Their loyalty should be to the
airline that they remember, not to the one being rebuilt in Mr. Walsh's
image. For when it's their turn to be sacrificed for greater profit, make
no mistake, they will be, pilots included.
We are all British Airways, not just those who work in Waterside; what
gave them the right to hijack our airline's good name for their own ends?
They are right in one thing though: WE ARE ALL BRITISH AIRWAYS INCLUDING THOSE WORKING IN WATERSIDE, THOSE WORKING IN CARGO, THOSE WORKING in NCL, THOSE WORKING IN NYC, THOSE WORKING IN INDIA, THOSE WORKING in JACKSONVILLE, THOSE WORKING IN ANY OTHER PLACE IN THE WORLD THAT IS NOT A TERMINAL OR AN AIRCRAFT.
We all contribute to this airline and we have given for the good of everybody in the company inc. cabin crew. But now that it is their turn to give BASSA still has the audacity to still play the hate card?
Enough is enough.
Trying to maintain your conditions? OK we all get it. Trying to justify your existence by creating division? UNFORGIVABLE.
Even more unforgivable is to believe what they say.
Sorry for the rant but this has set me off and I am still shaking in anger. Clearly this is my opinion only and does not represent British Airways in any way.
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Bassa wasting their time on such emails now
Everytime I go to work now, I am flying with more and more crew that have become disillusioned with Bassa and have hence resigned or intend to resign and this is largely down to how they have conducted themselves. The dwindling membership speaks for itself.
These emails that are being sent out now are merely preaching to the already die-hard militants who intend to go down with Bassa. I doubt many crew who are reporting to work or intend to report to work this time around will take any notice of their badly worded and inappropiate messages. Reading them only reassures me that they are the desperate ones, not BA. Bassa are spinning out of control. They have no cards left to play. Never did anyway.
These emails that are being sent out now are merely preaching to the already die-hard militants who intend to go down with Bassa. I doubt many crew who are reporting to work or intend to report to work this time around will take any notice of their badly worded and inappropiate messages. Reading them only reassures me that they are the desperate ones, not BA. Bassa are spinning out of control. They have no cards left to play. Never did anyway.
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I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Can you tell us how the results of the ballot were disseminated to the members as I have no idea? Was it text / email / letter and did they contain all the information required below?
As soon as is reasonably practicable after the holding of the ballot, the trade union shall take such steps as are reasonably necessary to ensure that all persons entitled to vote in the ballot are informed of the number of—
(a) votes cast in the ballot,
(b) individuals answering “Yes” to the question, or as the case may be, to each question,
(c) individuals answering “No” to the question, or, as the case may be, to each question, and
(d) spoiled voting papers.
Network Rail against RMT in April stated that the RMT had to take active steps to ensure its members were informed of the result as above. A text telling them to look at the website was not sufficient.
The truth is that the figures were correctly posted for everyone to see at the time. But I guess if I were BA I'd try anything and everything.
As soon as is reasonably practicable after the holding of the ballot, the trade union shall take such steps as are reasonably necessary to ensure that all persons entitled to vote in the ballot are informed of the number of—
(a) votes cast in the ballot,
(b) individuals answering “Yes” to the question, or as the case may be, to each question,
(c) individuals answering “No” to the question, or, as the case may be, to each question, and
(d) spoiled voting papers.
Network Rail against RMT in April stated that the RMT had to take active steps to ensure its members were informed of the result as above. A text telling them to look at the website was not sufficient.
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I have a gut feel the strike will not go ahead this week, (and a small maybe, the New Fleet may be born this week with the first offers of employment sent out to illegal strikers)
However if it does, there have been lots of CC this week that say they cannot afford to strike this time (and they are happy to settle now)
From the union email, it looks like the strike will not be supported as the unions are wanting - i hope it doesn't get nasty as the strikers realise their time is up, but i wouldn't put money on it as tensions are running high.
Maybe those people CC who are undecided will read the union email and realise that its better to gamble with BA than side with a desparate union
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However if it does, there have been lots of CC this week that say they cannot afford to strike this time (and they are happy to settle now)
From the union email, it looks like the strike will not be supported as the unions are wanting - i hope it doesn't get nasty as the strikers realise their time is up, but i wouldn't put money on it as tensions are running high.
Maybe those people CC who are undecided will read the union email and realise that its better to gamble with BA than side with a desparate union
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Weird! Earlier today someone posts the most recent communication from BASSA, clearly stating:
Then today, Tony Woodley tells Sky TV something entirely different:
Is Tony Woodley actually trying to undermine the BASSA case? Does he fear that BA actually has a very good case for the court hearing tomorrow, which could seriously end up damaging UNITE's bank-balance? Is he now giving BA more ammunition to shoot down, at the very least, the forthcoming strikes illegal because they are not about "imposition"? Amazing! There seems to be something going on here .......
PoliticsHome | It's Walsh's fault there's still a dispute, says Tony Woodley | On Air Today
The strike is over imposition. Why? To send a clear message to British Airways that you value your agreements and are willing to fight to protect them ...
He said there were no longer any outstanding conflicts over restructuring or cost reduction, and that the only remaining points of contention related to action taken by the management against staff. "We've now got an agreement with British Airways that covered the main requirements for this business going forward...all of those requirements have been agreed in principle now, and that's why customers and shareholders and the board need to ask the question: why are we still in dispute?
"And the reason, quite simply, is this: that Mr Walsh now is taking petty, vindictive action by not putting our people's staff travel back on and at the same time victimising up to 50 of our people, 5 of whom have been sacked for what I consider to be petty, vindictive issues from British Airways."
"And the reason, quite simply, is this: that Mr Walsh now is taking petty, vindictive action by not putting our people's staff travel back on and at the same time victimising up to 50 of our people, 5 of whom have been sacked for what I consider to be petty, vindictive issues from British Airways."
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I think you may well be right. Bear in mind also that he has already said that if there is volcanic ash affecting the UK, he will seriously consider cancelling the first of the 5 day strikes.
Ok, so he says this is in deference to the travelling public [excuse me while I choke on a grape
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In reality it is because:
Is Tony Woodley actually trying to undermine the BASSA case? Does he fear that BA actually has a very good case for the court hearing tomorrow, which could seriously end up damaging UNITE's bank-balance?
Ok, so he says this is in deference to the travelling public [excuse me while I choke on a grape
].In reality it is because:
- he wants to buy time to see the outcome of the court case so as to limit Unites liabilities, which could financially ruin Unite
- he wants to minimise Unites costs as they pay out £30 per day to strikers
- he sees that BASSA are totally beaten
- he wants to disassociate himself and Unite from BASSA
- he knows that only BASSA can call off the dispute
- he knows by giving BA additional evidence that it is not about 'imposition', he can help protect Unites money for deserving (rather than undeserving) causes
- he knows that BASSA are totally out of his control.
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It is no surprise to me that this dispute has gone off on a tangent.
When I was involved in strikes in the seventies, the dispute always departed from it's original cause as it dragged on. Usually it was because of a sacked shop steward.
In todays dispute it is re-instatement of staff travel, sacked staff........
When I was involved in strikes in the seventies, the dispute always departed from it's original cause as it dragged on. Usually it was because of a sacked shop steward.
In todays dispute it is re-instatement of staff travel, sacked staff........
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Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough. Of course you are right that BA suffers financially during ash related disruption. It would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
The point I made was that if the CC strike coincides with that period, the company mitigates some of it's losses by not having to pay the salaries of any CC on strike.
Can't make it any clearer than that.
Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough. Of course you are right that BA suffers financially during ash related disruption. It would be ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
The point I made was that if the CC strike coincides with that period, the company mitigates some of it's losses by not having to pay the salaries of any CC on strike.
Can't make it any clearer than that.
gr8tballsoffire, I'm still not convinced. 
If many/most aircraft are not flying, cabin crew are not required to turn up for work. Consequently, BA don't know who would have been striking, and so has to continue paying them. Surely?
If many/most aircraft are not flying, cabin crew are not required to turn up for work. Consequently, BA don't know who would have been striking, and so has to continue paying them. Surely?
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Latest Duncan Holley rant
BA strike staff are told: adapt or be wiped out - Times Online
Duncan Holley, branch secretary of Bassa — the section of Unite that represents the cabin crew members — yesterday threatened new tactics because the strikes meant that staff were losing wages.
“Our members are not well paid and are not the sort of people who are able to sustain a year out, so we might have to alter our tactics to begin a guerrilla campaign against British Airways,” said Holley.
“There are a lot of options open — calling then cancelling strikes, short strikes, announcing long strikes to hinder bookings.”
Confirms just how right BA were to get rid of this loony. A great advertisement for the union movement.
Holley disciples may well have to sustain themselves for longer than a year. There is not likely to be a great deal of demand for ex-BA dinausaurs at the job centre.
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Duncan Holley, branch secretary of Bassa — the section of Unite that represents the cabin crew members — yesterday threatened new tactics because the strikes meant that staff were losing wages.
“Our members are not well paid and are not the sort of people who are able to sustain a year out, so we might have to alter our tactics to begin a guerrilla campaign against British Airways,” said Holley.
“There are a lot of options open — calling then cancelling strikes, short strikes, announcing long strikes to hinder bookings.”
Confirms just how right BA were to get rid of this loony. A great advertisement for the union movement.
Holley disciples may well have to sustain themselves for longer than a year. There is not likely to be a great deal of demand for ex-BA dinausaurs at the job centre.
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Dave, ref your post 2850, backing ba does not mean just working for ba, it means volunteering for extra duties, free of charge and in your own time, did you even know that that was happening, so no, you are not backing BA just by coming to work. You are not if you have a different view that means you take strike action.
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Latest Duncan Holley rant
BA strike staff are told: adapt or be wiped out - Times Online
Duncan Holley, branch secretary of Bassa — the section of Unite that represents the cabin crew members — yesterday threatened new tactics because the strikes meant that staff were losing wages.
“Our members are not well paid and are not the sort of people who are able to sustain a year out, so we might have to alter our tactics to begin a guerrilla campaign against British Airways,” said Holley.
“There are a lot of options open — calling then cancelling strikes, short strikes, announcing long strikes to hinder bookings.”
Confirms just how right BA were to get rid of this loony. A great advertisement for the union movement.
Holley disciples may well have to sustain themselves for longer than a year. There is not likely to be a great deal of demand for ex-BA dinausaurs at the job centre.
BA strike staff are told: adapt or be wiped out - Times Online
Duncan Holley, branch secretary of Bassa — the section of Unite that represents the cabin crew members — yesterday threatened new tactics because the strikes meant that staff were losing wages.
“Our members are not well paid and are not the sort of people who are able to sustain a year out, so we might have to alter our tactics to begin a guerrilla campaign against British Airways,” said Holley.
“There are a lot of options open — calling then cancelling strikes, short strikes, announcing long strikes to hinder bookings.”
Confirms just how right BA were to get rid of this loony. A great advertisement for the union movement.
Holley disciples may well have to sustain themselves for longer than a year. There is not likely to be a great deal of demand for ex-BA dinausaurs at the job centre.
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How many BASSA reps are off, ahem..... "sick"?
Does anyone have the figures? Last we heard I think it was 52 out of 55 BASSA reps of sick, is that accurate or verifiable?
I went to the last court case and saw the usual group of La-La Malone's Crones (the BASSA top-table troughers) and was shocked to hear that they were almost ALL off long-term sick......still claiming a hefty salary (WAY above the national average) and yet, this is the funny thing......they were in FINE spirits! All walking, talking, joking and smoking!
They obviously hadn't yet put 2 + 2 together and realised that their QC was an absolute numpty compared to BAs, oh, and they have YET to win a case!!! Nothing to do with the completely outrageous claims they make, the lies they disseminate and the obvious error of judgement with all the mud they try to sling at BA!
Yeeeeessssssss.......not one comedy crutch?!! No bandaged fingers or affected limps? Nope. SO what is it that's keeping these top-of-the-paychain 'workers' off work indefinitely? Psychological issues? Debatable, but have they claimed this as their excuse/sicknote? In today's age of encouraged hypochondria it's not hard to see how some lazy bandits have taken advantage of a generous employer's code of care. These guys really are leading by example, as evidenced by the legendary and world-leading BA cabin crew sickness rate (3 times the national AVERAGE)!! Go BASSA!!! Don't let them work you to the bone comrade, make sure you take at least 2 hours off between EVERY short-haul sector that touches Heathrow!
That newspaper quote from Nigel Stott said...
More lies, deceit and taking British Airways, its customers and its honest, hard-working employees for a ride.
Have these people no shame?
And what does this say about the lemmings who have confidence/trust in these trouble-makers and follow them into battle against their co-workers?!
Also, I noticed that he gets about £40,000 with NO flying.....how does he justify that to some of the cabin crew he supposedly represents, who have been on here complaining about only being paid £20,000 for a full year's FLYING work?
Does no-one ask any questions of these industrial saboteurs? You know, the people they elected to be their council and representatives, giving them a mandate to operate in their 'best interests' and provide a company/public facing image of them to the wider world? Yes, that is how the rest of the world outside of BA sees the behaviour of BASSA....as DIRECTLY representing the views/opinions/desires of the average BA cabin crew member....you can see why the public are a little p!$$ed off and are baying for blood!
Thank goodness for the PCCC, a small glimmer of hope on the dirty grey horizon of aggressive & destructive industrial relations.
I just hope that more and more cabin crew somehow manage to shake off this terribly destructive and seemingly inbuilt (since initial SEP) attitude of mistrust, jealousy and hatred for people who ARE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!!!!
Why the PCCC have kept their anonymity is obvious......that they felt they HAD to, should be enough for BASSA members to hang their heads in shame and resign
As soon as WW starts sacking militants and issuing new contracts/recruiting onto new fleet, more and more CC will start to realise that this bunch of incompetent commercial terrorists have failed them at every turn and every hurdle.
It should also, at some point I hope, become apparent to the unseeing what has been in front of their eyes all along; that this was never about YOU, it was only about THEM!
It just happens that you make up a large and unruly mass of unthinking, unquestioning, unwavering foot-soldiers that the union have consistently demonstrated that they can lie to with impunity, deceive without blame and use as a simple army of brainwashed cannon-fodder to use against British Airways and its Employees.
...........I blame the pilots.
I went to the last court case and saw the usual group of La-La Malone's Crones (the BASSA top-table troughers) and was shocked to hear that they were almost ALL off long-term sick......still claiming a hefty salary (WAY above the national average) and yet, this is the funny thing......they were in FINE spirits! All walking, talking, joking and smoking!
They obviously hadn't yet put 2 + 2 together and realised that their QC was an absolute numpty compared to BAs, oh, and they have YET to win a case!!! Nothing to do with the completely outrageous claims they make, the lies they disseminate and the obvious error of judgement with all the mud they try to sling at BA!
Yeeeeessssssss.......not one comedy crutch?!! No bandaged fingers or affected limps? Nope. SO what is it that's keeping these top-of-the-paychain 'workers' off work indefinitely? Psychological issues? Debatable, but have they claimed this as their excuse/sicknote? In today's age of encouraged hypochondria it's not hard to see how some lazy bandits have taken advantage of a generous employer's code of care. These guys really are leading by example, as evidenced by the legendary and world-leading BA cabin crew sickness rate (3 times the national AVERAGE)!! Go BASSA!!! Don't let them work you to the bone comrade, make sure you take at least 2 hours off between EVERY short-haul sector that touches Heathrow!
That newspaper quote from Nigel Stott said...
When asked why he had taken so much time off, Mr Stott said it was because his mother had died. However, public death records suggest his mother, Beryl Stott, died on April 26, 2008.
Read more: £40,000 BA steward is too ill to fly... but not to play a key role in strike | Mail Online
Read more: £40,000 BA steward is too ill to fly... but not to play a key role in strike | Mail Online
Have these people no shame?
And what does this say about the lemmings who have confidence/trust in these trouble-makers and follow them into battle against their co-workers?!
Also, I noticed that he gets about £40,000 with NO flying.....how does he justify that to some of the cabin crew he supposedly represents, who have been on here complaining about only being paid £20,000 for a full year's FLYING work?
Does no-one ask any questions of these industrial saboteurs? You know, the people they elected to be their council and representatives, giving them a mandate to operate in their 'best interests' and provide a company/public facing image of them to the wider world? Yes, that is how the rest of the world outside of BA sees the behaviour of BASSA....as DIRECTLY representing the views/opinions/desires of the average BA cabin crew member....you can see why the public are a little p!$$ed off and are baying for blood!
Thank goodness for the PCCC, a small glimmer of hope on the dirty grey horizon of aggressive & destructive industrial relations.
I just hope that more and more cabin crew somehow manage to shake off this terribly destructive and seemingly inbuilt (since initial SEP) attitude of mistrust, jealousy and hatred for people who ARE ON THE SAME TEAM!!!!!!
Why the PCCC have kept their anonymity is obvious......that they felt they HAD to, should be enough for BASSA members to hang their heads in shame and resign
As soon as WW starts sacking militants and issuing new contracts/recruiting onto new fleet, more and more CC will start to realise that this bunch of incompetent commercial terrorists have failed them at every turn and every hurdle.
It should also, at some point I hope, become apparent to the unseeing what has been in front of their eyes all along; that this was never about YOU, it was only about THEM!
It just happens that you make up a large and unruly mass of unthinking, unquestioning, unwavering foot-soldiers that the union have consistently demonstrated that they can lie to with impunity, deceive without blame and use as a simple army of brainwashed cannon-fodder to use against British Airways and its Employees.
...........I blame the pilots.
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The results of the ballot were published on Bassa website but perhaps BA lawyers may be going down the route that not everyone has access to the internet therefore results should have been posted to everyone. That's a guess. On the other forums they remain convinced that BA are simply using this as another scare tactic but I think we know they wouldn't waste their time and money on a costly court injunction if they didn't think it was worth it. Unlike OH Parsons, BA lawyers would have done their homework.
If Unite postpone the strike due volcanic ash, then when they recommence it, they are likely to be pushed over the 12th June so either way, they are seriously running out of options.
If Unite postpone the strike due volcanic ash, then when they recommence it, they are likely to be pushed over the 12th June so either way, they are seriously running out of options.
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It just happens that you make up a large and unruly mass of unthinking, unquestioning, unwavering foot-soldiers that the union have consistently demonstrated that they can lie to with impunity, deceive without blame and use as a simple army of brainwashed cannon-fodder to use against British Airways and its Employees.
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Thought that union reps had a statutory duty in Britian to get paid regardless of the productivity of their labors......
The BA comrade out in California: £50,000 a year union activist who lives in LA and hasn't flown for a year | Mail Online
Of course it is from the Daily Mail and that means it is all a dirty rotten lie. Perhaps she gets more than that?
Then there is this:
Trade union reps are volunteers. They do not receive extra pay for their work as reps, though many are entitled to time off with pay to undertake their role as a rep.
(Which explains the per diem £100 of course) and that comes from the little lion's mouth.
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The BA comrade out in California: £50,000 a year union activist who lives in LA and hasn't flown for a year | Mail Online
Of course it is from the Daily Mail and that means it is all a dirty rotten lie. Perhaps she gets more than that?
Then there is this:
Trade union reps are volunteers. They do not receive extra pay for their work as reps, though many are entitled to time off with pay to undertake their role as a rep.
(Which explains the per diem £100 of course) and that comes from the little lion's mouth.
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Originally Posted by BlueUpGood
Trouble is, a bidding system means the BASSA reps can't cherry-pick the money trips, and with a simplified allowance system (hourly rate), there won't be any money trips.
Yet again, real progress in IR and CC T&C's has been hamstrung over the last few years because of the greed of BASSA reps only interested in themselves.
Harsh and untrue. Bassa's reps get their fair share of good trips AND bad. Atleast, they're rostered them. In the past, the reps have had the ability to be de-rostered should they need to undertake union/office duties. As they would all enjoy the same level of fair share as everyone else of the good trips and the bad, it stands to reason that the majority of trips they'd be de-rostered from would be at the lower end of the scale.
So while it might appear as though the reps are doing more good trips than others, it's not at all true - they're simply doing less of the bad ones because those make up the bulk of the average crew member's roster and they are therefore most likely to be removed in place of union work.
Originally Posted by BlueUpGood
Trouble is, a bidding system means the BASSA reps can't cherry-pick the money trips, and with a simplified allowance system (hourly rate), there won't be any money trips.
Yet again, real progress in IR and CC T&C's has been hamstrung over the last few years because of the greed of BASSA reps only interested in themselves.
Harsh and untrue. Bassa's reps get their fair share of good trips AND bad. Atleast, they're rostered them. In the past, the reps have had the ability to be de-rostered should they need to undertake union/office duties. As they would all enjoy the same level of fair share as everyone else of the good trips and the bad, it stands to reason that the majority of trips they'd be de-rostered from would be at the lower end of the scale.
So while it might appear as though the reps are doing more good trips than others, it's not at all true - they're simply doing less of the bad ones because those make up the bulk of the average crew member's roster and they are therefore most likely to be removed in place of union work.
If they de-roster themselves for the worst trips, then let's work this one out. The last time I did a 3 day DEL, I seem to remember getting in the region of £80 in allowances as a crew member. No overtime, obviously. So for losing a 3 day trip a BASSA rep would get £300. Well that's better than any 3 day trip on current rosters is worth. And how do we know what else the union pays them? They mention nothing about travel expenses, Heathrow accomodation, payment for "working" days off. They make me sick. And talkiing with a lot of my friends lately, they're having that effect on more and more people. What a bunch of idiots. And as for Duncan Holley - well I can't find words.
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Persuasion has failed.
So has delicately tip-toeing around the issues for fear of upsetting people's sensibilities.
We're all adults here, and the bullying, the lies and the potential destruction of a British Institution and all it's innocent hard-working employees can no longer be tolerated - I think these things should be said before the inevitable cries of 'unfair dismissal' attempt to claim they weren't warned/aware of the consequences of their actions/bovvered when they continued to jeopardise all our futures.
This has got FAR more serious than that now. Company-wreckers need to be made aware that this is not 'sending a message to Willie Walsh' and it will not 'encourage him back to the negotiating table' unless that is to hand out new contracts or to advise us about the bankruptcy of British Airways.
BASSA needs to stop lying to its members and its members need to stop swallowing what they (let's be fair here) know are lies, for everyone's good, including that of the strikers.
It's like Stockholm syndrome, where victims develop an inexplicable attachment to their kidnapper....I fail to believe that ALL BASSA members are not aware of having been lied to, not mislead, LIED to, by their union. To not investigate the (many) untruths and to specifically block out all other contrary evidence and opinion does, I'm afraid, make you complicit.
These things need to be mentioned to the strikers so that they don't sleepwalk into their own dismissal. So that they don't believe that everyone's cool with the pacifying fix-all, "everyone has a right to strike either way and I support that (pls don't bully me for not striking)"
People may have a 'right to strike', but you cannot condone their action if it's achieved in the manner in which this dreadful and damaging campaign has been. Especially when it's so obviously been achieved by corrupt means, for corrupt ends, and so cynically and selfishly threatens to destroy to WHOLE cake if it has to share ANY of its vastly oversized slice. They didn't BAKE the cake, they didn't PAY for any of the ingredients and yet they've been happy for so long to sit around the table with colleagues, keeping their HUGE, disproportionate slice to one side whilst accepting smaller slices from all of their 'co-workers' around the table!
Effectively that is what has been happening in BA for well over 10 years now! All departments have been asked (many times) to modernise, rationalise and save money.....all other departments work a bit harder, earn a bit less than before, tighten their belts and keep BA flying, supporting our company and our future.....and the cabin crew department just says, "NO". They maintain their gold-plated Pay & Ts&Cs and we all know who pays for it!!! Now is the chance of the CC unions to give just a TINY amount of extra work, with NO PAYCUT and NO REDUNDANCIES, to make a token effort to give what is probably only a few% of what the other departments have given.....and they can't do it......many strikers have said that they would "rather see the company go bust".
Even if everyone else decides to tell the strikers that they are supported and cherished, I just wanted to put it out there that they most certainly are not.
So has delicately tip-toeing around the issues for fear of upsetting people's sensibilities.
We're all adults here, and the bullying, the lies and the potential destruction of a British Institution and all it's innocent hard-working employees can no longer be tolerated - I think these things should be said before the inevitable cries of 'unfair dismissal' attempt to claim they weren't warned/aware of the consequences of their actions/bovvered when they continued to jeopardise all our futures.
This has got FAR more serious than that now. Company-wreckers need to be made aware that this is not 'sending a message to Willie Walsh' and it will not 'encourage him back to the negotiating table' unless that is to hand out new contracts or to advise us about the bankruptcy of British Airways.
BASSA needs to stop lying to its members and its members need to stop swallowing what they (let's be fair here) know are lies, for everyone's good, including that of the strikers.
It's like Stockholm syndrome, where victims develop an inexplicable attachment to their kidnapper....I fail to believe that ALL BASSA members are not aware of having been lied to, not mislead, LIED to, by their union. To not investigate the (many) untruths and to specifically block out all other contrary evidence and opinion does, I'm afraid, make you complicit.
These things need to be mentioned to the strikers so that they don't sleepwalk into their own dismissal. So that they don't believe that everyone's cool with the pacifying fix-all, "everyone has a right to strike either way and I support that (pls don't bully me for not striking)"
People may have a 'right to strike', but you cannot condone their action if it's achieved in the manner in which this dreadful and damaging campaign has been. Especially when it's so obviously been achieved by corrupt means, for corrupt ends, and so cynically and selfishly threatens to destroy to WHOLE cake if it has to share ANY of its vastly oversized slice. They didn't BAKE the cake, they didn't PAY for any of the ingredients and yet they've been happy for so long to sit around the table with colleagues, keeping their HUGE, disproportionate slice to one side whilst accepting smaller slices from all of their 'co-workers' around the table!
Effectively that is what has been happening in BA for well over 10 years now! All departments have been asked (many times) to modernise, rationalise and save money.....all other departments work a bit harder, earn a bit less than before, tighten their belts and keep BA flying, supporting our company and our future.....and the cabin crew department just says, "NO". They maintain their gold-plated Pay & Ts&Cs and we all know who pays for it!!! Now is the chance of the CC unions to give just a TINY amount of extra work, with NO PAYCUT and NO REDUNDANCIES, to make a token effort to give what is probably only a few% of what the other departments have given.....and they can't do it......many strikers have said that they would "rather see the company go bust".
Even if everyone else decides to tell the strikers that they are supported and cherished, I just wanted to put it out there that they most certainly are not.