British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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From an admittedly cursory look at BA's annual reports it would seem that Cabin Crew cost about 5% of BA's total costs. (Total, all employee costs, 29%)
So on a nominal flight, where the fare was say £100 , the cabin crew would cost the passenger £5.
How much would the tip be on a restaurant bill of £100?
So why are they trying to squeeze a few ££s out of 5% of total cost?
I am sure that there are lower hanging fruit elsewhere, and this brouhaha is not really about cost reduction, but power and the perception of power.
So on a nominal flight, where the fare was say £100 , the cabin crew would cost the passenger £5.
How much would the tip be on a restaurant bill of £100?
So why are they trying to squeeze a few ££s out of 5% of total cost?
I am sure that there are lower hanging fruit elsewhere, and this brouhaha is not really about cost reduction, but power and the perception of power.
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Bizarrely, you quote virtually word for word the things that the PCCC have been saying all along, yet you state:
If you support our views, and what we are trying to achieve, why do you have concerns? Is our way not better than the BASSA way? What other options are open to us?
The PCCC fully agree with what you have said about Amicus. If Amicus still existed at the moment, then they would have been perfectly placed right now to sweep the floor. They are not. They have been completely caught up in the mire and I would hazard a guess that Amicus has infact probably lost more members than BASSA.
Amicus are gone. That's precisely why the PCCC has been set up. It's no use yearning for what might have been. We are running out of time and that's why doing nothing is not an option. Anyone who does not support Unite (be it BASSA or Amicus) needs to join the PCCC. It's our only hope of having a voice to ask for what crew are crying out for: an offer, without crew back on in order to guarantee our livelihoods for the next few years.
If you have concerns about something we are doing then join us and speak up. We are a council. We listen and respond to the views of the people - our forum is already testament to that.
We can all sit and whinge on a forum but it ain't gonna change much. Isn't it time we all took responsibility for our own futures and started to do something constructive about it?
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Bizarrely, you quote virtually word for word the things that the PCCC have been saying all along, yet you state:
I share your concerns regarding the PCCC,
The PCCC fully agree with what you have said about Amicus. If Amicus still existed at the moment, then they would have been perfectly placed right now to sweep the floor. They are not. They have been completely caught up in the mire and I would hazard a guess that Amicus has infact probably lost more members than BASSA.
Amicus are gone. That's precisely why the PCCC has been set up. It's no use yearning for what might have been. We are running out of time and that's why doing nothing is not an option. Anyone who does not support Unite (be it BASSA or Amicus) needs to join the PCCC. It's our only hope of having a voice to ask for what crew are crying out for: an offer, without crew back on in order to guarantee our livelihoods for the next few years.
If you have concerns about something we are doing then join us and speak up. We are a council. We listen and respond to the views of the people - our forum is already testament to that.
We can all sit and whinge on a forum but it ain't gonna change much. Isn't it time we all took responsibility for our own futures and started to do something constructive about it?
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I can't help but tell you all the support has increased amongst crew for this dispute so your 5000 number mentioned will swell over the coming days of this dispute await the falling apart of the operation. The last few days I have updates from people on euf and ww telling me of loads of single figures on euf and figures below 30 on ww. Weakness is from the management side and strength from the union side little William your days are numbered.
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I am sure that there are lower hanging fruit elsewhere, and this brouhaha is not really about cost reduction, but power and the perception of power.
I suppose BA could stop buying fuel and aeroplanes. That would save a fortune
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The last few days I have updates from people on euf and ww telling me of loads of single figures on euf and figures below 30 on ww.
If thats what keeps you happy though, keep believing.
I can't help but tell you all the support has increased amongst crew for this dispute so your 5000 number mentioned will swell over the coming days of this dispute await the falling apart of the operation.
I can't wait to see the airport ground to a standstill and all those dogooders coming in only to be told to go home again the twists are starting to unfold.
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Has anybody heard details of the savings forecast linked to 'new fleet' that Willie is meant to have shared with investors today? I'm sure somebody mentioned a ten year plan. Anybody?
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T are you CC? Do you realise what NF brings with it? Are you on the sherry?
You know very well I am cabin crew and it's Tiramisu btw.
Sherry's not my tipple but it may be what I end up on if I have to work with some of our difficult colleagues much longer.
Of course, I realise what NF brings. The reason I said bring on New Fleet and I'd give up my old contract is that it is the very reason besides ST and disciplinaries that BASSA members are going to take strike action about. It would see the end of a minority of difficult militant colleagues and with NF, you would see a change of attitudes and new blood.
Do I really want to go on New Fleet, of course not, however if it was the only option I had, I would rather accept it than find employment elsewhere.
Who does and how do they "make your life a misery" - please explain
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The last few days I have updates from people on euf and ww telling me of loads of single figures on euf and figures below 30 on ww.
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Yep. Flights have been pretty full over the last few days from what I've seen.
Passengers want to continue to fly with BA but Unite/BASSA seem on a mission to destroy it's great name before TW & DS head for the retirement door in 6 months. This reason for this dispute has been changing over the last few months as worse offers have been brought about.
No NF. No pay cut.....wasn't this the original offer that CC were kept away from. This all started because WW CSDs had to suddenly be dragged out their office and told they'll have to be part of the service. Who are most of the BASSA reps again?
Passengers want to continue to fly with BA but Unite/BASSA seem on a mission to destroy it's great name before TW & DS head for the retirement door in 6 months. This reason for this dispute has been changing over the last few months as worse offers have been brought about.
No NF. No pay cut.....wasn't this the original offer that CC were kept away from. This all started because WW CSDs had to suddenly be dragged out their office and told they'll have to be part of the service. Who are most of the BASSA reps again?
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I know that the £23,565.13I made last year as a 75% world wide purser, after 17 years of service is pushing BA towards extinction.
I hope all strikers get sacked with zero pay, there, I've said it. Get rid of them, they're work-shy layabouts. They're nothing but bad news and a parasitic cancer to this great company- get rid of the soiled nappies and let's get on with outgrowing this regrettable baby stage
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It was a ten-year graph, showing the savings already achieved by the reduction in crew numbers, and the incrementally increasing savings due the introduction of New Fleet.
The all day feed via the web was pretty freely available.
It was a ten-year graph, showing the savings already achieved by the reduction in crew numbers, and the incrementally increasing savings due the introduction of New Fleet.
The all day feed via the web was pretty freely available.
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A cc on 75% states their wage and then you quote a cc on 33% who has almost the same earnings.Given the vast difference in hours worked how can this be do you think?
A cc on 75% states their wage and then you quote a cc on 33% who has almost the same earnings.Given the vast difference in hours worked how can this be do you think?
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flybymerchant wrote:
There are some old contract CSDs who get over £70,000 a year before tax...how do they square that with the rest of the cc community? Lie about it?
I hope all strikers get sacked with zero pay, there, I've said it. Get rid of them, they're work-shy layabouts. They're nothing but bad news and a parasitic cancer to this great company- get rid of the soiled nappies and let's get on with outgrowing this regrettable baby stage
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64k -try this link to the Investor Day pdf
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Regarding the subject of loads and flights being full.
Just operated a USA flight on a jumbo
loads were
F 0 C 0 WT+ 0 WT 0
Freind operated a flight yesterday to SA not sure of the aircraft type think it was the jumbo
F 1 C 1 WT+ O WT 3
Heard from other friends that flighs are empty or have very light loads.
Please stop spreading stories that flights are full. And for the record I take no pleasure in posting this information.
Just operated a USA flight on a jumbo
loads were
F 0 C 0 WT+ 0 WT 0
Freind operated a flight yesterday to SA not sure of the aircraft type think it was the jumbo
F 1 C 1 WT+ O WT 3
Heard from other friends that flighs are empty or have very light loads.
Please stop spreading stories that flights are full. And for the record I take no pleasure in posting this information.
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Long time lurker, but had to pick up on Ozzie O post regards loads.
The flights you refer to are reinstated flights following no strike action this week, therefore little or no time to fill. They will of course be plenty of cargo.
There also many full flights on which pax were consolidated onto.
Always two sides to every story, just a shame in this particular story, not many want to see both sides and make informed decision for themselves.
The flights you refer to are reinstated flights following no strike action this week, therefore little or no time to fill. They will of course be plenty of cargo.
There also many full flights on which pax were consolidated onto.
Always two sides to every story, just a shame in this particular story, not many want to see both sides and make informed decision for themselves.