British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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ST
What's the deal with ST anyway, as I understand it.............
ST was removed from those who manned the picket lines, as far as I understand the re-instatement conditions are only if they do not strike again and they also lose their DOJ priority and cabin entitlement.
ST was removed from those who manned the picket lines, as far as I understand the re-instatement conditions are only if they do not strike again and they also lose their DOJ priority and cabin entitlement.
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Willie Out ?
So BASSA want Willie out. Are these numpties stupid ? He's on his way out anyway ! He's moving on to head up the merger business. And guess who's replacing him as CEO of BA ? Keith Williams, the current Cheif Financial Officer.
Keith Williams is a man who's focus on cost reduction would , in the eyes of BASSA/UNITE/Militant Crew , make Willie Walsh look like the good samaritan's nicer brother.
Be careful what you wish for you BASSAs
Keith Williams is a man who's focus on cost reduction would , in the eyes of BASSA/UNITE/Militant Crew , make Willie Walsh look like the good samaritan's nicer brother.
Be careful what you wish for you BASSAs
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In order to do what Mr Walsh is doing he has the support of the board and major shareholders. If he goes their strategy will remain.
Stunts like the Socialist Worker attack should be taken more seriously by the police. Breaking and entry is a crime and should be treated as one. Anyone else find it amazing that socialist workers are standing up for £60k per annum workers, and that the union chief is telling them to sod off.
Claims that Mr Walsh himself tipped off his friends on the left are so outlandish. I cant imagine that Mr Walsh attends their weekly meetings, can you?
Stunts like the Socialist Worker attack should be taken more seriously by the police. Breaking and entry is a crime and should be treated as one. Anyone else find it amazing that socialist workers are standing up for £60k per annum workers, and that the union chief is telling them to sod off.
Claims that Mr Walsh himself tipped off his friends on the left are so outlandish. I cant imagine that Mr Walsh attends their weekly meetings, can you?
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Just heard WW would rather allow strikes to go ahead than to sort out an internal dispute with ST. Wonder what the travelling public think who pay his wages?
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Where's my post
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Can you please tell me why my post was deleted, I beleive that my comments where justified and fair. I also beleive that it is my right to express myself, I wasn't rude and my comments were not inflammatory. I merely wanted to point out out utterly p****d off I am that a small number of employees are holding BA to ransom and what that effect could be on the rest of us who have made cuts and worked hard to keep the company going only for it to be undermined by these militants!!!!!!! Quite honestly the behaviour that has been displayed has been down right disgusting from the BA Bashing bus to the silly woman cc with a pigs snout on her nose. I bet that most of the cabin crew that voted YES don't even have a clue about what they voted for!!
I'm Backing BA and fully support WW, I hope he can find some sort of legal ground to do sack or force these militants on to NF.
TOGETHER WE STAND UNITE WE FALL
Can you please tell me why my post was deleted, I beleive that my comments where justified and fair. I also beleive that it is my right to express myself, I wasn't rude and my comments were not inflammatory. I merely wanted to point out out utterly p****d off I am that a small number of employees are holding BA to ransom and what that effect could be on the rest of us who have made cuts and worked hard to keep the company going only for it to be undermined by these militants!!!!!!! Quite honestly the behaviour that has been displayed has been down right disgusting from the BA Bashing bus to the silly woman cc with a pigs snout on her nose. I bet that most of the cabin crew that voted YES don't even have a clue about what they voted for!!
I'm Backing BA and fully support WW, I hope he can find some sort of legal ground to do sack or force these militants on to NF.
TOGETHER WE STAND UNITE WE FALL
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Just heard WW would rather allow strikes to go ahead than to sort out an internal dispute with ST. Wonder what the travelling public think who pay his wages?
That is the ONLY thing stalling an agreement?
Have a think about that and why the public will be as bewildered by it as we are?
Pathetic rhetoric.
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OK - so in the light of the Union's offer to call-off strikes if Staff Travel is reinstated
In other words, give us our ST back in full and we'll not strike until next Sunday, but may/will strike then if you don't stop the disciplinaries!
ie we will continue to 'negotiate' but only with a loaded pistol at your head.
Would you accept that?
I'm glad WW didn't and suspect that the time is quikly getting ever closer when WW decides enough is enough and decides on SOSR for all strikers and manages them out of the business once and for all.
Please Willie, put BASSA out of our mysery ...
Edited to add:
Does anyone think Derek Simpson will feature anymore in the negotiations?
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Just heard WW would rather allow strikes to go ahead than to sort out an internal dispute with ST. Wonder what the travelling public think who pay his wages
I give the public credit in realising that these tactics are cynical ploys. How can flights suddenly be re-instated at this hour, contracts signed for the wet leasing, revised timetable according to those that are working. It's just not plausible to suddenly have those that were striking, back at work and then, worse, getting paid to do nothing.
I give the public credit in realising that these tactics are cynical ploys. How can flights suddenly be re-instated at this hour, contracts signed for the wet leasing, revised timetable according to those that are working. It's just not plausible to suddenly have those that were striking, back at work and then, worse, getting paid to do nothing.
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Pathetic rhetoric.
Not really. It was NOT about ST, that I concede - but it is now. It has become an appendage to a deal; an appendage that could easily and painlessly have been dealt with. But no- Walsh blew it out of sheer dogma.
Little else need be said.
Pathetic rhetoric.
Not really. It was NOT about ST, that I concede - but it is now. It has become an appendage to a deal; an appendage that could easily and painlessly have been dealt with. But no- Walsh blew it out of sheer dogma.
Little else need be said.
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bassa texted my mate saying that the strike will go ahead...so YES!!!! willie did not accept to give those idiots ST back!!!! Well done! lets hope he will clear up the bassa mess and gets rid of all of them... I have lots of friends that support the strike, but after 2 years of bassa misery, it is time to be selfish and care about myself... enough is enough and I am not ashamed of my decision to come to work...see you all tomorrow...Maybe there are no samosas in crc but there are free coffee and muffins!
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Originally Posted by All at Bedfont
You can shove your ID90s up your ar5e
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BAs offer.
* offered the partial reversal of crew complements, despite a High Court ruling in our favour
* agreed to future promotions and transfers on current contracts for current crew
* given a written assurance about the allocation of routes and aircraft between fleets
* given assurances to protect the pay, terms and conditions for our current crew
* changed our position on pay to guarantee RPI rises for two years, on top of increments
* agreed to the return of staff travel to crew who went on strike, subject to certain conditions
* agreed to future promotions and transfers on current contracts for current crew
* given a written assurance about the allocation of routes and aircraft between fleets
* given assurances to protect the pay, terms and conditions for our current crew
* changed our position on pay to guarantee RPI rises for two years, on top of increments
* agreed to the return of staff travel to crew who went on strike, subject to certain conditions
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This "offer" from Woodley is cynical in the extreme.
This morning he was saying that the talks had catastrophically broken down, yet late in the day a mere 7hrs before the strike kicks off and after no further talks have been conducted, he offers to cancel it in return for ST.
He knows that the damage is done as far as tomorrow's action is concerned. From that point on, it would not make a bit of difference whether there was a strike or not. Some services have been cancelled and can't be reinstated at this late stage; passengers have been rebooked; passengers are royally inconvienanced. So the damage to the airline is done - the only difference is that with the strike going ahead - cabin crew will lose money & staff travel
update Sunday 20:00
In a statement the airline said: “We had agreed to a request from ACAS to meet this afternoon (Sunday) and are surprised that Unite did not take advantage of this. We are disappointed that Tony Woodley has taken to negotiation through the media rather than through ACAS.”
Says it all really
This morning he was saying that the talks had catastrophically broken down, yet late in the day a mere 7hrs before the strike kicks off and after no further talks have been conducted, he offers to cancel it in return for ST.
He knows that the damage is done as far as tomorrow's action is concerned. From that point on, it would not make a bit of difference whether there was a strike or not. Some services have been cancelled and can't be reinstated at this late stage; passengers have been rebooked; passengers are royally inconvienanced. So the damage to the airline is done - the only difference is that with the strike going ahead - cabin crew will lose money & staff travel
update Sunday 20:00
In a statement the airline said: “We had agreed to a request from ACAS to meet this afternoon (Sunday) and are surprised that Unite did not take advantage of this. We are disappointed that Tony Woodley has taken to negotiation through the media rather than through ACAS.”
Says it all really
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BA please just do what you have always knew you would do/have to do, now and get it over with.
Fire that small minority who have disrupted the lives of the vast majority of your employees, let alone the passengers, and let the us all move on.
The roman legions did it, in a rather more bloody way, and you have it in your power to do this with some semplance of civility.
Take that chance now!
Fire that small minority who have disrupted the lives of the vast majority of your employees, let alone the passengers, and let the us all move on.
The roman legions did it, in a rather more bloody way, and you have it in your power to do this with some semplance of civility.
Take that chance now!
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.........see you all tomorrow...Maybe there are no samosas in crc but there are free coffee and muffins!
.........see you all tomorrow...Maybe there are no samosas in crc but there are free coffee and muffins!
If you happen to be on my flight, it will be Krispy Kremes all around from me.
Just wanted to say 'Thank You' to all our loyal customers( Fincastle, Entaxei and many others) for staying with us and all your good wishes for tomorrow.
Together we'll keep flying the flag and BA Will Survive.
I'm BA cabin crew who is proud to cross the picket line and keep BA flying.
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Does Tony expect to lose tomorrow?
Quoted earlier re TW:
This morning he was saying that the talks had catastrophically broken down, yet late in the day a mere 7hrs before the strike kicks off and after no further talks have been conducted, he offers to cancel it in return for ST.
Does this sudden outbreak of conciliation have something behind it - such as an expectation of a very high number turning in to work tomorrow?
This morning he was saying that the talks had catastrophically broken down, yet late in the day a mere 7hrs before the strike kicks off and after no further talks have been conducted, he offers to cancel it in return for ST.
Does this sudden outbreak of conciliation have something behind it - such as an expectation of a very high number turning in to work tomorrow?
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Does this sudden outbreak of conciliation have something behind it - such as an expectation of a very high number turning in to work tomorrow?
I really hope so...
Woodley and Simpson have made a mockery of all the loyal crews who put their faith in the unions. I hope everyone now sees UNITE for what they are - incompetent, childish bully boys with only one agenda..and it's not cabin crew welfare.
I really hope so...
Woodley and Simpson have made a mockery of all the loyal crews who put their faith in the unions. I hope everyone now sees UNITE for what they are - incompetent, childish bully boys with only one agenda..and it's not cabin crew welfare.
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Can you go into more depth on this please? All sides are using rhetoric, but I would really like to understand what you mean by one agenda.