British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I agree that the upgrades may be a bit more difficult to come by if staff travel is not re-instated. Unfortunatly, some of the people working for BA have a terrible attitude that means 'if i cant have it, noone else will'
It would be very unfair on all those brave people who came in to work during the strike, many to preserve staff travel privileges.
If think if WW says, no more staff travel if you strike - then that should be it.
However, if he does re-instate it - lets hope he starts their staff travel again, with 6 months until they qualify and their priority (date of joining) all starting in 2010. Why should they get on an aircraft before anyone else. And that goes also for qualifying for the free tickets.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" ...
It would be very unfair on all those brave people who came in to work during the strike, many to preserve staff travel privileges.
If think if WW says, no more staff travel if you strike - then that should be it.
However, if he does re-instate it - lets hope he starts their staff travel again, with 6 months until they qualify and their priority (date of joining) all starting in 2010. Why should they get on an aircraft before anyone else. And that goes also for qualifying for the free tickets.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction" ...
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Lets be clear about what you are getting at; are you claiming former strikers, who have lost their Staff Travel, are going to try and veto upgrades?
However - back to my old cause - Staff Travel. For all those saying WW shouldn't give them back... maybe the thought of no future upgrades will make them change their minds.... which would you prefer - 10 hours down the back or 10 hours in club? I know which I prefer, well you can be pretty sure that ain't gonna happen no more
Lets be clear about what you are getting at; are you claiming former strikers, who have lost their Staff Travel, are going to try and veto upgrades?
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have you read BASI13 ?
I will happily sit in the cabin I am entitled to with my firm ticket. No need for any upgrade for me
(not sure I'd risk my job for an upgrade contrary to BA Policy)
Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?
maybe the thought of no future upgrades will make them change their minds.... which would you prefer - 10 hours down the back or 10 hours in club? I know which I prefer, well you can be pretty sure that ain't gonna happen no more.
I will happily sit in the cabin I am entitled to with my firm ticket. No need for any upgrade for me
(not sure I'd risk my job for an upgrade contrary to BA Policy)Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?
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1) FOr some reason certain people keep assuming those who turned up for work were naturally against the strike. This is not the case.
2) We know who can offer an "unofficial" upgrade and they are the very people that if not on the picket line (maybe lucky scheduling) probably have freinds who were on the Picket line.
3) Why is it that if WW taked away the "perk" of staff travel, that's all fair and good but if CC refuses a perk its because he's/she's full of vindictive hatred?
4) lI think ot of friendly helpful CC will feel less desposed to being so when they get their STs withdrawn. Thats human nature.
5) Because I am making a comment about how I see events unfold does not mean that I am agreeing to it or condoning it. HOwever, I think one would be asking alot to ask any employee to suck it up and keep smiling after they lost most of the things they were striking for, a big chunk of wages and their and their partner's ST ...for life..... and will quite probably be working under worse conditions in the not too distant future.
BUt maybe thats just me.
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"Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?"
No of course not... and I'm sure it never happens
2) We know who can offer an "unofficial" upgrade and they are the very people that if not on the picket line (maybe lucky scheduling) probably have freinds who were on the Picket line.
3) Why is it that if WW taked away the "perk" of staff travel, that's all fair and good but if CC refuses a perk its because he's/she's full of vindictive hatred?
4) lI think ot of friendly helpful CC will feel less desposed to being so when they get their STs withdrawn. Thats human nature.
5) Because I am making a comment about how I see events unfold does not mean that I am agreeing to it or condoning it. HOwever, I think one would be asking alot to ask any employee to suck it up and keep smiling after they lost most of the things they were striking for, a big chunk of wages and their and their partner's ST ...for life..... and will quite probably be working under worse conditions in the not too distant future.
BUt maybe thats just me.
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"Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?"
No of course not... and I'm sure it never happens
OK Peterlike I see where you are coming from, and I do appreciate the ST ban is very emotive for some folks but just to be clear nobody has the authority to veto an upgrade made by the ground staff....
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Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?
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You'll never get on before the captain's wife whatever your designation!
peterlike has a point.
A CSD may upgrade at his/her discretion but I doubt very much they would downgrade a staff pax who has been already designated a J or F seat.
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Originally Posted by Clarified
Arthur, Demo, Eddy........
I think it's very important to show respect to all sides here.
I am not a supporter of traditional unionism, never have been, never will be.
However, I do believe that what ever your persuasion, you should be respected.
Some of the events over the last 14 months have made me despair
I think my posts, have supported this.
I think it's very important to show respect to all sides here.
I am not a supporter of traditional unionism, never have been, never will be.
However, I do believe that what ever your persuasion, you should be respected.
Some of the events over the last 14 months have made me despair
I think my posts, have supported this.
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Merely a look at where we come from and where we might be heading!
I am not really trying to make any point. Just have a conversation on a slow post day!
I am not really trying to make any point. Just have a conversation on a slow post day!
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We know who can offer an "unofficial" upgrade and they are the very people that if not on the picket line (maybe lucky scheduling) probably have freinds who were on the Picket line
3) Why is it that if WW taked away the "perk" of staff travel, that's all fair and good but if CC refuses a perk its because he's/she's full of vindictive hatred?
friendly helpful CC will feel less desposed to being so when they get their STs withdrawn. I think one would be asking alot to ask any employee to suck it up and keep smiling after they lost most of the things they were striking for, a big chunk of wages and their and their partner's ST ...for life..
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I will happily sit in the cabin I am entitled to with my firm ticket. No need for any upgrade for me (not sure I'd risk my job for an upgrade contrary to BA Policy)
Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?
Or are you suggesting that crew upgrade staff in defiance of company policy?
There are many in the company who didn't agree with the strike but respect those that decided on their own to strike (i.e. not blindly follow BASSA). Those of us who work in the terminals and didn't support the strike haven't sought to treat crew different and if you are checking in as operating crew or using your staff travel, the vast majority of us will continue to treat you with respect and in a professional manner. It is unbelievable that some crew, a minority I'd guess, would advocate treating any staff on flights any different. The crew that I have encountered since the strikes have all been professional and I hope that this continues.
My understanding was that BASI13 referred to things being actioned "doors open", i.e on the ground. Allegedly, some members of ground staff were accepting money for upgrades from full fare and staff pax.
That seems to be a long way from fraud in the case of moving somebody without accepting anything in return? Unless altruism has a price?
P.S I also understood that nobody strictly has the authority to upgrade unless done through the proper channels , or the Captain if he/she needs to on safety grounds such as a load and balance problem.
However, historically, we have tried to "look after" friends and relatives and have ended up in the situation we are in now.
That seems to be a long way from fraud in the case of moving somebody without accepting anything in return? Unless altruism has a price?
P.S I also understood that nobody strictly has the authority to upgrade unless done through the proper channels , or the Captain if he/she needs to on safety grounds such as a load and balance problem.
However, historically, we have tried to "look after" friends and relatives and have ended up in the situation we are in now.
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My understanding was that BASI13 referred to things being actioned "doors open", i.e on the ground. Allegedly, some members of ground staff were accepting money for upgrades from full fare and staff pax.
The idea that this might now be used as a weapon by some to get revenge is sadly not surprising.
I have to agree with essessdeedee's comment that
" these individuals should be seeking a career change, IMHO"
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Originally Posted by Clarified
Merely a look at where we come from and where we might be heading!
I am not really trying to make any point. Just have a conversation on a slow post day!
I am not really trying to make any point. Just have a conversation on a slow post day!
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LOL - OK! Guess I read into it too much. My apologies for that.
Like I said earlier, I think what HF14 is looking to do is admirable (I am a Bassa supporter but if people aren't happy it's good that instead of just complaining in the galley they are trying to take action) but if I was looking to join PCCC I would absolutely want to know who was running it and I'd be particularly interested to hear that the rumours about a pilot being involved in setting the organisation us were completely devoid of fact.
Running a union is tough - very tough - and it takes a strong will and enormous balls. I'm curious to know why those behind PCCC have, as yet, failed to reveal just who exactly they are?
Like I said earlier, I think what HF14 is looking to do is admirable (I am a Bassa supporter but if people aren't happy it's good that instead of just complaining in the galley they are trying to take action) but if I was looking to join PCCC I would absolutely want to know who was running it and I'd be particularly interested to hear that the rumours about a pilot being involved in setting the organisation us were completely devoid of fact.
Running a union is tough - very tough - and it takes a strong will and enormous balls. I'm curious to know why those behind PCCC have, as yet, failed to reveal just who exactly they are?
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One of the more obvious casualty of this idiotic confrontation has been the demise of CC89 which it was a viable alternative to the more militant and self destructing attitude of bassa.
Controversial, moi?
I am a Bassa supporter...
I am not trying to start an unpleasant and personal argument but rather to gain an understanding of how someone can support BASSA when, from my vantage point, they have singularly failed to negotiate realistically, spouted proven nonsense during the strike (e.g. aeroplanes parked at SNN and CWL, TV cameras in the CRC to film strike breakers) and managed to back themselves and their supporters into a corner from which there appears little chance of escape.
One of the more obvious casualty of this idiotic confrontation has been the demise of CC89 which it was a viable alternative to the more militant and self destructing attitude of bassa.
CC89 was formed in 1989 by and for the many disillusioned with BASSA. They were affiliated to Amicus and BASSA to the TGWU. When AMicus and the TGWU merged, to form Unite, BASSA and CC89 effectively merged too. A problem has been that the personal animosity between the respective reps has meant that at times they wouldn't even remain in the same room as each other.
What do you mean by the demise of CC89?
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By demise I meant that because CC89 have joined forces and school of thought with bassa there is no point in even contemplating the possibility of joining them as an alternative to bassa.
Same cr£@p different name.
Same cr£@p different name.