British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Dear Vertigowerty,
You're welcome and hope to see you soon, too.
The problem with some crew is as we all know they are to quick to press the delete button and they then question they never had the offer in the first place!
(PS:Boondocker, Ididn't mean you btw)
You're welcome and hope to see you soon, too.
The problem with some crew is as we all know they are to quick to press the delete button and they then question they never had the offer in the first place!
(PS:Boondocker, Ididn't mean you btw)
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Re Duncan`s blog day 17
Duncan wrote in his blog day 17 :
"BA were ringing people up today and offering them GBP100 and the trip of their choice to come to work - hardly the actions of an airline coping well with the situation"
Well, I had my 2-hour sby changed to QRS and after 3 days at the hotel I was not used!
I even thought he might be talking about EF, but I know there is airport sby for EF crew and some people are not being used either...
"BA were ringing people up today and offering them GBP100 and the trip of their choice to come to work - hardly the actions of an airline coping well with the situation"
Well, I had my 2-hour sby changed to QRS and after 3 days at the hotel I was not used!
I even thought he might be talking about EF, but I know there is airport sby for EF crew and some people are not being used either...
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No.
We most certainly do not. Stop trying to rewrite history.
We most certainly do not. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Because as crew,I hope that at least we agree that the changes were not about the CSD working more.Come on,we know better than that. You know what it has meant removing the purser on Eurofleet 767s and 757s right? NOT 1 less crewmember but less chance of promotion,etc etc..If you are already a purser or csd I bet this would not touch you that much but for maincrew
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It is not the same airline.
Bettygirl has highlighted what is now a very real concern for many non-strikers. Of course there is a very easy solution to it (and posts on here imply this is being considered): Offer a take it or leave it deal to each and every one of us. The deal does not have to include 184 crew back on - because 80% of us have shown we don't want it and it is just an additional cost. The 2 year pay deal seems to be widely accepted by most, as does the pay freeze.
In lieu of the 184 crew, it could have the previous share scheme/bonus/extra ticket if it is signed before Wednesday (last strike day). Otherwise post-strike, it could be without those extras. That way all non-strikers will get a good deal and strikers make their own decisions.
Oh, and one other thing, lest I forget.
BA could ballot each and every one of us and see whether we want BASSA to remain, or if we would prefer a more democratic, professional way of doing things such as the Professional Cabin Crew Council - www.mypccc.co.uk.Then we can all carry on with this new way of doing things, in a more productive, motivated and highly professional manner. The rest of them can eat samosas with DH til the cows come home.
I'm off to work now. But don't worry strikers, it'll only be me there single-handledly manning the entire BA operation of empty airplanes.
This is my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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A few stories emerging of VCC getting hassle off CC while operating during the strike period. It would appear a number of pro BASSA CC have crossed the picket line due to financial reasons and are anti VCC.
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..to deal with this, at a tactical level, there will have to be some fairly robust leadership, ascribing zero tolerance.
I believe, that leadership, will have come from the Captain and the SCCM.
nurj
I believe, that leadership, will have come from the Captain and the SCCM.
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post 4565 "BA have played a blinder?...... would negotiation not have been a better blinder for BA to play?.... How much money is this blinder costing? On the Green front how many empty aircraft are being launched into the sky to play this blinder?"
Dave 3, do you not know that BA tried negotiating for 14 months, and got only "NO - now what was the question again"
I agree that BASSA should have tried negotiation, for a change, you never know if they had actually listened, they may have heard something they liked.
I`m Backin BA (again tomorrow)
Dave 3, do you not know that BA tried negotiating for 14 months, and got only "NO - now what was the question again"
I agree that BASSA should have tried negotiation, for a change, you never know if they had actually listened, they may have heard something they liked.
I`m Backin BA
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ns 68, stay current please
Mega losses even after mega cuttings (in various dept and onboard which as I said before is the reason behind the departure of a massive number of business pax in my opinion)
(a) If the cuts had not been made they would have been mega mega losses, premier pax stop flying with us because the companies they work for are feeling the effects and would not pay the rates, thats why.
Enormous rewards and wages for the people at the top.
(b) Most of the directors declined their bonuses this year, no bonuses paid to senior and middle management for the last two years
a request to work for free in July.
(c) A voluntary request, a lot of people took this up on their own free will to help (me included)
Charges over for price fixing.
(d) Case thrown out of court, £121 M fine not paid (which is handy, as it will pay for the strike.
I`m backing BA
(a) If the cuts had not been made they would have been mega mega losses, premier pax stop flying with us because the companies they work for are feeling the effects and would not pay the rates, thats why.
Enormous rewards and wages for the people at the top.
(b) Most of the directors declined their bonuses this year, no bonuses paid to senior and middle management for the last two years
a request to work for free in July.
(c) A voluntary request, a lot of people took this up on their own free will to help (me included)
Charges over for price fixing.
(d) Case thrown out of court, £121 M fine not paid (which is handy, as it will pay for the strike.
I`m backing BA
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You mention, again, the opening of T5 as evidence of the poor management in BA which has led us to this point. Perhaps you know more about it than I do, but my understanding is that most of the issues we had in the first few days were actually the responsibility of the BAA. It's easy to point the finger and say 'WW is terrible, look what happened', but in fact the real picture is somewhat more complicated.
The switching of all flights was purely down to management.We all suggested a more progressive approach due to the little training we recevied as well as a possibility that the systems wouldn' t have worked as well as they should but we were completely ignored.based on that yes,I do think poor management and a bit of arrogance in knowin' it all.
On a technical point and I can only speak for myself here and my job,do you remember the first week or two? All jettys were never working?it was taking ages for one to be attached or moved.That led to delays in disembarking. I was there and I remember dispatchers saying that they weren't used to that system and that it would have taken a while to become confident.To you it might be a little thing,to somebody losing their connection,it might have mattered a bit more.
Check-in was particularly slow I remember and bags were going with manual receipt tag. It was all a new system and I remember having a chat to one of the ground staff who said soething on the line of..""I have been working for the company for 10 years and it feels like the first day"" I value experience and it was a shame to hear that.We just had not been trained.It's serious. And ultimately us. 2h walk in T5-when it wasn't even finished- didn't do much for me.As much as I wanted to take in,you couldn't because the building was half done.Any question from passenger I was always re-directing them to the people with the violet shirts(do you remember?)
If you think that made us look good and professional in the eyes of our customers and that it was a good management move I can't change your opinion but that's the way I feel.
Saying this Spin doctor, I now love T5!
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A few stories emerging of VCC getting hassle off CC while operating during the strike period. It would appear a number of pro BASSA CC have crossed the picket line due to financial reasons and are anti VCC.
Both the pilot volunteers and the operating flight deck have all been supportive and I hope that this dispute will be over soon.
My main concerns have been how sick with worry non-striking crew have been at encountering strikers, which is sad. As others on this site have mentioned before, we respect their right to strike - it would be good for people who choose to work not to worry about any sort of retribution from their colleagues from what appears to be a minority.
It's been eye-opening to be a VCC and I can honestly say that I had no idea just how much the job entailed before doing it, and while I might agree that it isn't rocket science, it is hard work and it is tiring and I don't envy the lifestyle.
Anyway, thank you to the fantastic crew who have been operating with us VCC - I hope I get another brilliant lot next trip but am steeling myself for the worst, as always... I have no idea how this will end but it can't go on indefinitely as our customers don't have endless patience, in my opinion.
Sorry for the long post but I just wanted to say thank you to the crews I've flown with and to the customers who are staying with us during this difficult time. I know VCCs are an easy target to blame for people who believe in the strike but a view from my side is that, having been to the colleague forums, I honestly don't think that Willie offered a bad deal or would have simply caved on this matter, and VCCs help expand the flying programme and help to keep the goodwill of our customers, so that by the time this dispute is over, perhaps we'll still have some customers willing to fly with us.
And as to the comments about who's doing our jobs while we're flying... I can't speak for everyone but some of us are maintaining both roles. Am I worried about my job? Yes, but not because of my absence highlighting the lack of necessity of my job. I'm worried because I don't think an airline which has such a bad track record for strikes can be a viable option for customers in the future. As for my role, my department has made so many voluntary redundancies in response to the downturn, I honestly don't think we can get rid of many more. A large number of us took unpaid leave and I think that period demonstrated that we would really struggle with any further reductions. Having said that, I think we're all steeling ourselves for the possibility of a request for further periods of unpaid leave/work in response to this strike. Hopefully it won't happen and hopefully this will all come to an end sooner rather than later.
These views are all mine and not my employer's
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Mega losses even after mega cuttings (in various dept and onboard which as I said before is the reason behind the departure of a massive number of business pax in my opinion)
(a) If the cuts had not been made they would have been mega mega losses, premier pax stop flying with ust because the companies they work for are feeling the effects and would not pay the rates, thats why.
(a) If the cuts had not been made they would have been mega mega losses, premier pax stop flying with ust because the companies they work for are feeling the effects and would not pay the rates, thats why.
Enormous rewards and wages for the people at the top.
(b) Most of the directors declined their bonuses this year, no bonuses paid to senior amd middle management for the last two years
(b) Most of the directors declined their bonuses this year, no bonuses paid to senior amd middle management for the last two years
a request to work for free in July.
(c) A voluntery request, a lot of people took this up on their own free will to help (me included)
yes,I know somebody that did it.they left their allowances for the month in an attempt to help the company,and then as soon as we go on strike,the company says how they have got a reserve of cash to take them through the strike.
I admired his will to help..but it is a bit of a kick in your teeth..
Charges over for price fixing.
(d) Case thrown out of court, £121 M fine not paid (which is handy, as it will pay for the strike.
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Isnt that just a list of BAAs failings? Jetties, Baggage system, signposting etc etc. Willie took responsibility because it was the right thing to do, not because it was all his fault. (as an aside has Lizanne accepted responsibility for ballsing up the first ballot yet?)
What we'd all like to know is how this relates to BA needing to get its cost base to somewhere near the level of the competition, and how it justifies the strike.
What we'd all like to know is how this relates to BA needing to get its cost base to somewhere near the level of the competition, and how it justifies the strike.
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Wetleases and T3
dave3 wrote:
Of course, not all crew have turned up for work and there is a reduced schedule in place which has to be maintained or increased if possible.
I thought I'd pass on some information on what's happening at T3, which is rather the forgotten man at BA's LHR operation.
There was a pre-strike schedule of 23 daily flights to six European destinations, namely HEL, VIE, BCN, MAD, AGP and LIS. Up to yesterday, BA cancelled all 23 flights but got six wetlease carriers to operate 16 flights a day. Every destination got at least 50% of the pre-strike schedule.
Today, the situation could hardly be more different. BA is operating 14 flights with its own metal and has just one wetlease flight.
I think this shows that BA is winning the battle to increase SH flights.
If real crew are all turning up for work and operation is above the one BA forcast why are BA still using wet lease aircraft and crew and why is there still a need for volunteers?
I thought I'd pass on some information on what's happening at T3, which is rather the forgotten man at BA's LHR operation.
There was a pre-strike schedule of 23 daily flights to six European destinations, namely HEL, VIE, BCN, MAD, AGP and LIS. Up to yesterday, BA cancelled all 23 flights but got six wetlease carriers to operate 16 flights a day. Every destination got at least 50% of the pre-strike schedule.
Today, the situation could hardly be more different. BA is operating 14 flights with its own metal and has just one wetlease flight.
I think this shows that BA is winning the battle to increase SH flights.
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YES,I understand cutting.. but WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT CUTS?People in our club europe cabin were not getting much more than our eurotraveller pax.There were couple of little touches that justified booking in club.
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I see little point in you going on about the problems concerning the opening of Terminal 5.
I believe it cost BA about 15 million pounds. That's about the same cost as 2 days of striking. Taking it proportionally you ought to be utterly appalled at the the cost of 20 days of pointless striking by your militant colleagues.
Terminal 5 got its reputation back fairly quickly. Do you think the same will apply to the cabin crew's reputation? Shame the strikers have wrecked it for all the hard working cabin crew who are backing BA and facing backlash from the public and the rest of the airline.
I see little point in you going on about the problems concerning the opening of Terminal 5.
I believe it cost BA about 15 million pounds. That's about the same cost as 2 days of striking. Taking it proportionally you ought to be utterly appalled at the the cost of 20 days of pointless striking by your militant colleagues.
Terminal 5 got its reputation back fairly quickly. Do you think the same will apply to the cabin crew's reputation? Shame the strikers have wrecked it for all the hard working cabin crew who are backing BA and facing backlash from the public and the rest of the airline.
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BA offer October 2009
Tiramisu,
Thanks for posting this offer by BF. As it's been noted, mainly by HighFlyer14, the new share scheme and new travel ticket are no longer available. Indeed, they do appear to have been offered for just a brief period of time. If I were CC, I won't be happy to see subsequent offers to get worse.
Thanks for posting this offer by BF. As it's been noted, mainly by HighFlyer14, the new share scheme and new travel ticket are no longer available. Indeed, they do appear to have been offered for just a brief period of time. If I were CC, I won't be happy to see subsequent offers to get worse.
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I see little point in you going on about the problems concerning the opening of Terminal 5.
I believe it cost BA about 15 million pounds. That's about the same cost as 2 days of striking. Taking it proportionally you ought to be utterly appalled at the the cost of 20 days of pointless striking by your militant colleagues.
I see little point in you going on about the problems concerning the opening of Terminal 5.
I believe it cost BA about 15 million pounds. That's about the same cost as 2 days of striking. Taking it proportionally you ought to be utterly appalled at the the cost of 20 days of pointless striking by your militant colleagues.
But as I said..it doesn't matter too much when it's out context-the context was about WW LEADERSHIP if you go back couple of pages.It was just to say that management should work with its employes not against them.