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The information flow from the secret location is minimal, apart from BASSA stating that they are now sitting in the same meeting room as WW. There has been nothing to suggest that the talks have ended or adjourned, the assumption is that they are still talking. There is no doubt WW could find a solution quite quickly, however, the problem is how do you engage with BASSA going forward given the acrimonious nature of this dispute. BASSA made noises about a new relationship post the 2007 nearly strike, it hasn't happened. They blame management, BA finds them impossible to deal with. The danger for WW is that we all end up in the same place in six months to a years time, that cannot be allowed to happen.
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Just to back track a little bit, the vccs may be pretty useless in terms if service when they start, but as time goes on (and indeed it is going on) they're getting better and better thanks to those cc who are working. Whatever their opinions, there is nothing but professionalism onboard from your colleagues with regards to the people they serve. I do wonder how much longer the passengers can take this though, premium especially, as the initial 'gratefulness' just to be flying is evidently waning even as the service is increased. This is my biggest worry. I have no idea what Willies plans are, but I hope he acts soon, at least for the good of his workers' mental state. All this uncertainty is driving staff crazy and passengers to other airlines. Not ideal!
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the vccs may be pretty useless in terms if service when they start,
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I used the term in reference to another post just to show a point, and possibly only speaking for myself. 
No offence intended.
It may not be rocket science, but there's no subsititue fo experience, in any job. Often quickness is the key thing vcc are lacking on shorter flights, but as I said, as time goes on...
No offence intended. It may not be rocket science, but there's no subsititue fo experience, in any job. Often quickness is the key thing vcc are lacking on shorter flights, but as I said, as time goes on...
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Crash and Burn,
I'd say a bit fiction mixed in with a bit of fact. Rest Day Working has been offered but then again it's been on offer on and off for ages, certainly since before the strikes. There are a few crew from LGW that are striking but they are very much in the minority and it's more or less business as normal from what I've seen.
I'd say a bit fiction mixed in with a bit of fact. Rest Day Working has been offered but then again it's been on offer on and off for ages, certainly since before the strikes. There are a few crew from LGW that are striking but they are very much in the minority and it's more or less business as normal from what I've seen.
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your brave colleagues currently standing up to the bully walsh
Exactly how has Willie Walsh bullied you Juan O?
From what I've been looking at over the past few days, the bullying is heavier coming from a handful of strikers.
Friends and colleagues of mine have been victimised, harrassed, faced defamation of character, yelled at, sworn at, and had threats against their life, belongings, families and welfare. I will not stand for it and will be taking legal action.
It is right and just to respect any individuals decision, opinion and thinking, no matter what they have decided to do, you may not agree with people choosing to work, but they are doing it for a reason after much sensible thinking and consideration.
Many crew have been unfortunate enough to be forced, by the union, into deciding if they go into work or not. I have friends who can't sleep, can't eat, have been in physical pain, because of intimidating people like you, causing them to feel this way.
The union could have negotiated first then called for a strike if BA imposed anything else. The union have got nowhere by striking, apart form losing money and maybe we will see compulsory redundancies as a result.
There is a viewable list of strike-breakers held at Bedfont football club. Illegal.
Picketers have been displaying defaced photos of people on merchandise. Illegal.
Picketers have been shouting profanities at uniformed staff. Illegal.
Strikers have been threatening colleagues on both public and BAA roads. Illegal.
A striker has been sending illicit and threatening emails. Illegal.
I could go on...
Yet, I have not yet heard of any strike-breakers who are bullying and intimidating the strikers?
As for the gentleman who has donated £60k to the union to help pay the striking crew, why would he do that? Goodness of his heart? He wouldn't happen to have a large amount of his assets tied up in a competitor would he? Maybe wouldn't mind encouraging the decline of BA perhaps to benefit his interests? Just a thought.
Rant over. ( - edit as applicable mods, thx)
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the vccs may be pretty useless in terms if service when they start
The service in the cabin has been simplified so they can assist in delivering it without further training, and the experience is spread across the cabins.
They are doing a great job considering the pressure they may be feeling!
Keep it up guys & gals, and enjoy your trips!
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Another good day at Bedfont and to see so few Speedbirds in the air and couldn't help but notice so many parked as I passed on the open top bus. We have been heartened by speakers at Bedfont today and amongst people with pride not the me me me people working since Sunday. So where do we go from here the little man seems trapped amongst his sheep perhaps a trip to the dentist before he goes on TV would be a good idea.
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It sounds reasnable to me. I think he will draft up a contract similar to the one nearly agreed by Dereck Simpson and then we will have to sign or leave. Anyone who leaves or does not sign will have their places filled by new crew on new fleet.
Mr. Walsh is not going to make us all sign up to new fleet because he knows that even the loyal crew who have worked could not agree to that.
This way he announces that he can no longer work with BASSA and then issues us all with 90 days to agree to the travel payment, the redused crew and working later on last day, new disruption agreement etc. etc.
I believe the rummour because it is what I have been thinking he will do for some time now.
Mr. Walsh is not going to make us all sign up to new fleet because he knows that even the loyal crew who have worked could not agree to that.
This way he announces that he can no longer work with BASSA and then issues us all with 90 days to agree to the travel payment, the redused crew and working later on last day, new disruption agreement etc. etc.
I believe the rummour because it is what I have been thinking he will do for some time now.
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If during the 90 days you suckers don't wake up and realise that it will be the last chance to keep the wings on your jackets then you will have a well rehearsed chorus to chant in the lines down at the job centre.
It's never to late to face up to the truth, it might not even be that bad.
It's never to late to face up to the truth, it might not even be that bad.
Yeah,you might think.."ok,if we are all moving into a New fleet at least I haven't lost money or staff travel" but if did not follow the vote and took industrial action,I would have lost much much much much more,my integrity.And not because I am a militant,but just because the strike was called because most of us voted YES to it.
We are all in the same position..unless you are not crew.I hope from the tone of your messages that you wouldn't be as I would find it hard to work with someone who nurtures such feelings.In six years in the company I have rarely come across such a free flaw of bad words as I have come across on here. I know what you are going to say..""if you don't like it,leave and don't come back"" It is very tempting.But the reason why I have been on here was to try and get some views of the other side of this dispute and some points made really did make me think,that is why am still on here.
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I see that someone on the BASSA forum who cant be bothered to do research is now claiming that there were loads of additional cancellations today.
Just to let you know there wasnt one solitary extra cancellation. They were all planned.
Whatever source they were using just hadnt been updated with the revised schedule. Next time check BA for the revised schedule first maybe?
And yes 747s were dipping their wings over bedfont
, or maybe they were just making the initial turn on the SID.
Still, if it makes them happy.
Just to let you know there wasnt one solitary extra cancellation. They were all planned.
Whatever source they were using just hadnt been updated with the revised schedule. Next time check BA for the revised schedule first maybe?
And yes 747s were dipping their wings over bedfont
, or maybe they were just making the initial turn on the SID. Still, if it makes them happy.
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Integrity
ns68 said:
You may have integrity - but be completely wrong.
What about those people who voted to strike but then decided that they had made a mistake and went to work. You say that they lack integrity, but what if they did the right thing for themselves, the customers and the company?
Yeah,you might think.."ok,if we are all moving into a New fleet at least I haven't lost money or staff travel" but if did not follow the vote and took industrial action,I would have lost much much much much more,my integrity.And not because I am a militant,but just because the strike was called because most of us voted YES to it.
What about those people who voted to strike but then decided that they had made a mistake and went to work. You say that they lack integrity, but what if they did the right thing for themselves, the customers and the company?
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I think many, possibly most of us believe this now.
Otherwise what is the point of riding out these strikes?
It sounds reasonable to me. I think he will draft up a contract similar to the one nearly agreed by Derek Simpson and then we will have to sign or leave. Anyone who leaves or does not sign will have their places filled by new crew on new fleet.
Mr. Walsh is not going to make us all sign up to new fleet because he knows that even the loyal crew who have worked could not agree to that.
This way he announces that he can no longer work with BASSA and then issues us all with 90 days to agree to the travel payment, the reduced crew and working later on last day, new disruption agreement etc. etc.
I believe the rumour because it is what I have been thinking he will do for some time now.
Mr. Walsh is not going to make us all sign up to new fleet because he knows that even the loyal crew who have worked could not agree to that.
This way he announces that he can no longer work with BASSA and then issues us all with 90 days to agree to the travel payment, the reduced crew and working later on last day, new disruption agreement etc. etc.
I believe the rumour because it is what I have been thinking he will do for some time now.
Otherwise what is the point of riding out these strikes?
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Integrity? 
must be the same integrity the majority of some European past dictatorships citizen must have used at the time in following blindly the majority consensus.
You have a brain, use it, the facts and figures are there no ifs and buts, you are inflicting your Employer untold and unnecessary financial damage and at the same time you are harassing and bullying anyone that doesn t agree with your suicidal and dangerous game.
Have you been reading crew forum recently?
must be the same integrity the majority of some European past dictatorships citizen must have used at the time in following blindly the majority consensus.You have a brain, use it, the facts and figures are there no ifs and buts, you are inflicting your Employer untold and unnecessary financial damage and at the same time you are harassing and bullying anyone that doesn t agree with your suicidal and dangerous game.
Have you been reading crew forum recently?
You may have integrity - but be completely wrong.
What about those people who voted to strike but then decided that they had made a mistake and went to work. You say that they lack integrity, but what if they did the right thing for themselves, the customers and the company?
What about those people who voted to strike but then decided that they had made a mistake and went to work. You say that they lack integrity, but what if they did the right thing for themselves, the customers and the company?
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dixie d wrote:
I have to disagree with you on this one. It is not rocket science to set up the bar trolley, hand out meal trays etc. Ok, so VCC might not be as quick as full time crew when it comes to the meal service, but they are not useless.
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That "independent" report Unite commisioned....
One of the profs said we are heros and they will make a hollywood film about us one day. Said we are making history and this is the most important industrial dispute this decade if not this century.
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Blu Riband - you mention courage in your post. Do you know what that word actually means?
WELL DONE to the Glasgow posse at BFC today who had to endure a 9 hour bus ride overnight. Apart from being colourful in your outfits..., you all stood out amongst the estimated 3000 at BFC today. Well done!
WELL DONE to the Glasgow posse at BFC today who had to endure a 9 hour bus ride overnight. Apart from being colourful in your outfits..., you all stood out amongst the estimated 3000 at BFC today. Well done!
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Juan
You are not even the best cabin crew in BA.
I think that perhaps that perception is part of the problem. Just wondering who you can compare yourselves to.
Try LGW or our previously excellent AML crew on the 777.
I also worked for Cathay. Different standard of service altogether.
You are not even the best cabin crew in BA.
I think that perhaps that perception is part of the problem. Just wondering who you can compare yourselves to.
Try LGW or our previously excellent AML crew on the 777.
I also worked for Cathay. Different standard of service altogether.
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you all stood out amongst the estimated 3000 at BFC today.
I seem to recall that the last time you estimated thousands it turned out to be around 400 by BASSAs own figures. Also since maximum capacity of BFC is 2000, someone might need inform the authorities if its being exceeded by such a large margin.
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we are the best cabin crew by far,
WORLD'S BEST CABIN STAFF 2009
1 Malaysia Airlines
2 Asiana Airlines
3 Thai Airways
4 Singapore Airlines
5 Cathay Pacific
Malaysia Airlines wins the 2009 World's Best Cabin Staff Award