British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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"Many good and decent crew are now potentially facing the sack because of the shameful actions initiated by a certain captain. (We have seen his postings on the BALPA forum boasting about his arrangement with Walsh - we hope he is proud of himself."
What the hell......????
I can personally swear to the fact as I read the BALPA forum every day if possible that this tripe is completely fabricated and written by a fantasist.
Can someone from BASSA please contact the author of this missive and get real confirmation where it has been taken from or who made it up.?
Go on post on the BASSA forum to get verification as its so unbelievably contentious as to potentially precipitate all sorts of reaction.
Thanks.
"Many good and decent crew are now potentially facing the sack because of the shameful actions initiated by a certain captain. (We have seen his postings on the BALPA forum boasting about his arrangement with Walsh - we hope he is proud of himself."
What the hell......????
I can personally swear to the fact as I read the BALPA forum every day if possible that this tripe is completely fabricated and written by a fantasist.
Can someone from BASSA please contact the author of this missive and get real confirmation where it has been taken from or who made it up.?
Go on post on the BASSA forum to get verification as its so unbelievably contentious as to potentially precipitate all sorts of reaction.
Thanks.
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Can you expand on what you think the end will bring? Do you think that at some point, contract notice will be served on all? One thing is a reasonable probability, a huge magority of crew who are employed at BA today, will be employed at BA this time next year.
The next step I imagine, will be around the end of year results.
The next step I imagine, will be around the end of year results.
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Litebulbs my esteemed poster............... BA have never advocated taking money from crew,(nor do I), BASSA have done ,3.4% comes to mind.
BASSA will of course say that crew face a 40% paycut but have never been able to produce the evidence
that's hopefully what Miamimike might be able to
I'm not holding my breath
BASSA will of course say that crew face a 40% paycut but have never been able to produce the evidence
that's hopefully what Miamimike might be able toI'm not holding my breath
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Fair?
There may well be cabin crew on 55k a year, I'm not sure but as a WW CSD of 26 years I am no where near that. Even so, to compare someone who has only been in the company a few years is quite frankly absurd; stripes or not ....
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I completely agree with you. BA have never said they would take money away. What they have not done, is convince 50%+1 of crew that they will not loose money.
My last post was not worded very well. What I tried to ask Barbiesboyfriend was whether he had ever had money removed, or whether that is what he signed up to.
My last post was not worded very well. What I tried to ask Barbiesboyfriend was whether he had ever had money removed, or whether that is what he signed up to.
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Litebulbs............... I'm concerned
I'm buying the guardian tomorrow 
I'm sure there is so much common ground to be had, if only some of our posters (like you) could get over the attitude, and come at us (non believers) with some factual arguments
I'm waiting xxxx
I completely agree with you
I'm sure there is so much common ground to be had, if only some of our posters (like you) could get over the attitude, and come at us (non believers) with some factual argumentsI'm waiting xxxx
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42 year old mother
Ref "you all get 1 hours lunch break". Truth is ,most BA non management grades on a 37.5 hour week are allocated a 30 min lunch break (unpaid) per 8 hour shift (nice world she lives in !!!)
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It is easy for me to comment, because I will not gain or suffer because of it. If you take a step back and look at the tone of the thread, you will see many many people speaking as much rhetoric as any BASSA hard liner.
If it was me, which it is not, I would engage Mr Walsh fully and use his words back at him. Build the case and cover every possibility that a loss may occur and protect against it.
Easily said, when I am not in the room talking however!
Good paper, by the way
If it was me, which it is not, I would engage Mr Walsh fully and use his words back at him. Build the case and cover every possibility that a loss may occur and protect against it.
Easily said, when I am not in the room talking however!
Good paper, by the way
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I completely agree that the majority of cabin crew will still be employed this time next year by BA. But not all.
I don't think however that contract notice will be served on all - it simply isn't necessary.
What I don't think Bassa (or, with respect, yourself) have grasped is that the overwhelming majority of cabin crew are prepared to work. BA would be able to operate in the short to medium term with an indefinite strike, a strike that the majority of cabin crew either don't want, disagree with, can't afford pay- or staff travel-wise, or are simply now tired of. The vast majority will work and BA know it. LGW is now a lost cause, EF is 80% there and still a majority of WW cabin crew report for work.
An indefinite strike will play right into BA's hands as they will simply ignore it, bypass Bassa completely, and speak directly to the crew that come in in their droves, as they were doing last weekend. The volunteers will be the norm on most flights (now 744 trained, note), service levels and standards will start to creep up as the hot meal services are reinstated, whilst meanwhile more and more crew report for work.
There will be no 'big bang', WW has never suggested there will be as he knows that this strike is going to finish as most long term strikes do - with a whimper. Many won't be able to face returning under such conditions, especially the Bassa hierarchy and will just wither on the vine, claiming long term sickness until finally given the boot. A few might go the legal route but BA have the legalities nicely squared away, ready for any small scale appeals.
That's what I mean about the end being in sight for Bassa.
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ref post 1399
"Please bear with us and have a little faith, as I said there will be developments this week as far as BASSA is concerned. Speaking personally I shall be pushing for an all out strike as I see no alternative now. "
Ref the above quote from post 1399 (Read it, you will not believe it). I certainly can not believe there is a BASSA rep spouting such bile. Why is he speaking personally that HE wants an all out strike, WHO is he representing, do the majority of CC think like this !!!!, or really want this, God help us all.
Ref the above quote from post 1399 (Read it, you will not believe it). I certainly can not believe there is a BASSA rep spouting such bile. Why is he speaking personally that HE wants an all out strike, WHO is he representing, do the majority of CC think like this !!!!, or really want this, God help us all.
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re Post 1399 - I think you assuming the wrong author in Lizanne.
from an earlier Post 1344
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Truth is ,most BA non management grades on a 37.5 hour week are allocated a 30 min lunch break (unpaid) per 8 hour shift
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End of strikes
midman wrote:
Willie Walsh has repeatedly said that the dispute will be settled by negotiation, and I believe that he believes that. I also believe that Unite will now be much less willing to call another strike. Walsh said that 73% of rostered cabin crew reported for work on 30 March compared with 57% on 20 March. Nobody in their right mind can deny that increasing numbers of crew will work through further strikes. There are some, though, who think that BASSA are not thinking this through, so by this time next week we may well know which faction in Unite has the upper hand.
Although BA can and should speak directly with crew, I do not believe that Walsh wants to deal directly with them on matters such as balloting as he is sensitive to the accusation of undermining the unions. It's worth remembering that BA needs the unions to collaborate with on a range of issues, e.g. the pension deficit.
So, there will be more discussions between BA and Unite. The main question, I think, is how to deal with the issue of staff travel as neither side is willing to back down.
An indefinite strike will play right into BA's hands as they will simply ignore it, bypass BASSA completely, and speak directly to the crew that come in in their droves, as they were doing last weekend.
Although BA can and should speak directly with crew, I do not believe that Walsh wants to deal directly with them on matters such as balloting as he is sensitive to the accusation of undermining the unions. It's worth remembering that BA needs the unions to collaborate with on a range of issues, e.g. the pension deficit.
So, there will be more discussions between BA and Unite. The main question, I think, is how to deal with the issue of staff travel as neither side is willing to back down.
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I will agree with you, if BA fly a FULL schedule on both fleets at LHR. Mr Walsh. as far as I can see, has not made any satements that are untrue. But I am guessing by what I have read, that there has been a fair amount that he has not said too, which is to be expected.
I have no access to the crew sites, but this will be the first real indicator of a lost battle. The sad thing is, it will be a few years down the line, when "we told you so" will hit home. Again, this is my opinion on what I have read and the conversations I have had with crew.
An observation if I may: I flew on a LGW flight when the action was taking place and there were roughly 40 people on the flight.
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There are, in BA Mainline, CCrew on 55k pa, ie 35K more than our lowest paid FO's in BA CityFlyer.
Fair?
BA isn't a cargo airline so fc and cc need each other - it's length of service than denotes rate of pay so a new FO will be on a lower rate of pay..and rightfully so, it's a symbiotic relationship.
Fair?
BA isn't a cargo airline so fc and cc need each other - it's length of service than denotes rate of pay so a new FO will be on a lower rate of pay..and rightfully so, it's a symbiotic relationship.