British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Juan Tugoh - I had sight of the document yesterday but did not read the contents in depth. Having digested what you posted I believe WW is correct when he says that CC would have approved had they been given the opportunity. Twice now BASSA/Unite have refused to put a company offer to their members, why?
Woodley's rant yesterday seemed to be about future pay rises. Well, ask the employees of any FTSE100 company have they had a committment from their employer regarding an uplift in pay anytime soon. The answer most probably will be NO. BA has taken a calculated risk that it will be in a position to offer any increases beyond the second year of the pay freeze.
I am proud of all the staff who have reported for work today, well done!!! It is a tragedy that you have been so badly led by your TU. Time to throw the rascals out on their ear when this is all over!
Woodley's rant yesterday seemed to be about future pay rises. Well, ask the employees of any FTSE100 company have they had a committment from their employer regarding an uplift in pay anytime soon. The answer most probably will be NO. BA has taken a calculated risk that it will be in a position to offer any increases beyond the second year of the pay freeze.
I am proud of all the staff who have reported for work today, well done!!! It is a tragedy that you have been so badly led by your TU. Time to throw the rascals out on their ear when this is all over!
Flew into LHR today. Well done to the crew who did work, and the volunteers who agreed to work to cover the shortfall.
That said, the attitude of some other passengers was nauseatingly patronizing. Like patting the head of a well behaved child, and talking to them with the same tone of voice. Not sure I could put up with that, so credit to those who do!
That said, the attitude of some other passengers was nauseatingly patronizing. Like patting the head of a well behaved child, and talking to them with the same tone of voice. Not sure I could put up with that, so credit to those who do!
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BA News......50% reporting as normal at LHR
Saturday, March 20, 14.30 - operational update
Our operations at both Heathrow and Gatwick are continuing to go well. London City is operating as normal.
Cabin crew are continuing to report as normal at Gatwick.
At Heathrow, around 50 per cent of cabin crew have reported to work as normal and we are therefore increasing the number of longhaul and shorthaul flights in our schedule in the days ahead.
Thank you to all crew who are reporting as normal and thank you for everyone’s hard work, wherever you work in the world. This morning has gone as well as we could have expected.
Due to the strength of our operations so far today, we have decided to reinstate several Boeing 747 flights for later today and are now selling seats on them to customers who want to fly.
We are already operating a full Boeing 777 longhaul programme from the UK to more than 30 destinations around the world.
Our own short-haul operation at Heathrow and Gatwick is fulfilling its schedule, supported by our charter operators, who have integrated well.
We aim to fly as many customers as we can this weekend in the biggest contingency operation we have ever organised.
We would urge customers to keep checking on our website, Book Flights, Hotels, Holidays, Car Rental with British Airways - BA.com, to find out what extra flights will now be operating.
We will continue to send out operational updates throughout the day.
Our operations at both Heathrow and Gatwick are continuing to go well. London City is operating as normal.
Cabin crew are continuing to report as normal at Gatwick.
At Heathrow, around 50 per cent of cabin crew have reported to work as normal and we are therefore increasing the number of longhaul and shorthaul flights in our schedule in the days ahead.
Thank you to all crew who are reporting as normal and thank you for everyone’s hard work, wherever you work in the world. This morning has gone as well as we could have expected.
Due to the strength of our operations so far today, we have decided to reinstate several Boeing 747 flights for later today and are now selling seats on them to customers who want to fly.
We are already operating a full Boeing 777 longhaul programme from the UK to more than 30 destinations around the world.
Our own short-haul operation at Heathrow and Gatwick is fulfilling its schedule, supported by our charter operators, who have integrated well.
We aim to fly as many customers as we can this weekend in the biggest contingency operation we have ever organised.
We would urge customers to keep checking on our website, Book Flights, Hotels, Holidays, Car Rental with British Airways - BA.com, to find out what extra flights will now be operating.
We will continue to send out operational updates throughout the day.
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TorC, lying on my safa as we speak! watching Sky News and their updates... hum...anyway have a good rest too and a good flight back!
PS did you work with any Volunteer crew? Few of my colleagues were supposed to be on S/By and one flying later.
Apparenlty their training was very intense, one, ex crew, told that she felt it was harder then the oroginal one she had few years ago. Apparenlty with CAA watching over our trainers left no room for mercy...
Godd luck to all of them too!
PS did you work with any Volunteer crew? Few of my colleagues were supposed to be on S/By and one flying later.
Apparenlty their training was very intense, one, ex crew, told that she felt it was harder then the oroginal one she had few years ago. Apparenlty with CAA watching over our trainers left no room for mercy...
Godd luck to all of them too!
While hoping that the Cabin Crew numbers will hold-up, increase even, I also greatly look forward to working alongside the Vols if the situation arises.
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I'm not at all sure BA is worth saving. Will it really be missed? I don't think so, or not for long. The cabin crew who believe that going on strike, when your employer is sliding towards bankruptcy, is justified or sensible or anything but the most crass idiocy, deserve a wake-up call. I suspect they're about to get it - and good job too.
Don't look for sympathy from me or anyone else with a brain cell. You son't gat any. I do feel sorry for the innocent co-workers, in all areas of BA, who you will be dragging down with you.
Don't look for sympathy from me or anyone else with a brain cell. You son't gat any. I do feel sorry for the innocent co-workers, in all areas of BA, who you will be dragging down with you.
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Regardless of one's personal view on the industrial action, it's hard not to be immensely proud of the work being done by those who went to work today either as normally rostered crew or as a volunteer, and helped keep the company running with relative normality.
And it's hard not to be proud of the management effort in building a contingency plan that appears to have worked brilliantly. I watched a Viking 737 being loaded up this morning and it seemed absolutely seamless.
And it's hard not to be proud of the management effort in building a contingency plan that appears to have worked brilliantly. I watched a Viking 737 being loaded up this morning and it seemed absolutely seamless.
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Regardless of one's personal view on the industrial action, it's hard not to be immensely proud of the work being done by those who went to work today either as normally rostered crew or as a volunteer, and helped keep the company running with relative normality.
And it's hard not to be proud of the management effort in building a contingency plan that appears to have worked brilliantly. I watched a Viking 737 being loaded up this morning and it seemed absolutely seamless.
And it's hard not to be proud of the management effort in building a contingency plan that appears to have worked brilliantly. I watched a Viking 737 being loaded up this morning and it seemed absolutely seamless.
you are proving to be something of a complete Gentleman with regards to your thoughts about those that disagree with your chosen path relating to strike or not. Im not BA and i think this action is ill advised and badly timed. I think there's only a handful of people striking who actually know why they are on strike. You obviously care about your employer and i hope you get to go back and put 100% effort in to whatever you are asked to do.
If WW is not distracted by the militant few, allegedly looking out for the best interests of the CC, (but in reality appear to be looking out for themselves) he can get on with turning the airline around, making it a better place to be employed, which surely is what everyone wants.
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Just arrived at my hotel, somewhere in Europe, after operating a packed flight out of LHR this morning.
I was the only one who turned up on my trip but there were enough main crew who were on standby to replace the 'no shows,' three crew were immediately called to operate with me. I also spoke to several other CSDs who were waiting to be called out on trips from standby though my trip was confirmed yesterday.
I parked normally in the Crew Car park with no reservations having driven pass a picket line which was manned by a handful of crew.
BA have provided some brilliant security measures to protect crew who have reported to work. Once in T5 I was amazed to find that even in the lift to CRC, volunteers were present to prevent any level of intimidation to operating crew.
The atmosphere at CRC was brilliant as Torc described. I had a brief chat with Bill Francis who said that there will be compulsory redundancies as a result of the Strike, however crew who turn up for work will be recognised.
The only slightly unpleasant bit today was when we arrived at our destination in Europe, the Purser who took over the aircraft from me refused to talk to me while I was trying to give her a handover. The rest of the crew avoided eye contact with me and all my crew making them feel terrible and a little upset.
I've also been informed that according to Bill Francis that strikers will only come back to work when BA invites them which could take up to six months!
Thanks to all the volunteers for making it safe for us to come to work.
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Three Newcastle flights reinstated for tomorrow - looks like the strike is crumbling ....... The future for BA and those staff who are committed to the success of the airline is defintely looking brighter now. Thank you to everyone who has realised permanent change is necessary and not optional.
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Word in CRC: All those who have not turned up have been suspended indefinitely without pay. So, those who went on strike today may be without pay for weeks or even months to come. They won't be reinstated until the dispute is over. Scary stuff!
This may be worth a long think for those considering striking later today or tomorrow.
This may be worth a long think for those considering striking later today or tomorrow.
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Brian Boyde has just been on BBC claiming that Unite Baggage Handlers have only handled 1 BA flight today and that less than 1 in 10 flights are operating!!!
A Unite officer says it, it must be true.
He also said 80% of crew are striking! The lies are that big they must be struggling!
Interesting to hear what BF was saying in CRC.
CB
A Unite officer says it, it must be true.
He also said 80% of crew are striking! The lies are that big they must be struggling!
Interesting to hear what BF was saying in CRC.
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In the interests of balance, I understand that the 40% figure is arrived at by assuming that the majority of the high value trips (Narita etc) will be operated by the new fleet, thus cutting off some allowances from old contract crew.
On the other hand, distribution of flights across fleets is addressed in the offer and 40% would be a wild overestimate even if there was a total shift of high value trips to new fleet crews.
On the other hand, distribution of flights across fleets is addressed in the offer and 40% would be a wild overestimate even if there was a total shift of high value trips to new fleet crews.
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If all strikers are now no longer able to fly, can you explain why everyone still has their next flights showing on their rosters? Pls dont lie just to make your cause look like it worked.
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I decided quite some time ago that I would be coming into work. I put my name on the 'willing to work' list and have been determined not to waver. Thank you very much, TorC and Tiramisu for your informative and encouraging posts. It makes reporting for work tomorrow seem a little less daunting. In fact, I'm now going to put my uniform on with pride and go to the crew car park without fear of intimidation. The more this sorry mess continues, the more I fear that those short-sighted folk who'll do anything BASSA asks of them without question will end up being BASSA's worst emeny. I've gone from being a fairly big 'yes' voter earlier on the in process to a firm 'no' voter last time round with no doubt that this strike is wrong, the crew are ill informed and that BASSA have also not been entirely truthful to it's members. And as for the CF, there are some fairly big bullies there so perhaps they should look in the mirror when it comes to 'fair treatment' and repsecting others stance on this very divided issue. 
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I am delighted by the number of crew reporting for work today and by the support of the rest of the work force. My way of supporting you guys has been to book a return J class flight to LAX. Mind you - the price does seem quite low at the moment.
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In the interests of balance, I understand that the 40% figure is arrived at by assuming that the majority of the high value trips (Narita etc) will be operated by the new fleet, thus cutting off some allowances from old contract crew.
The company is offering to pay an average of all the incidental allowances for current crew going forward.
In effect, this means that even if every lucrative trip went to a new fleet, current crews earnings would be unaffected.
I think another reason for accepting the company's offer.
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That's clutching at straws, I'd say. (And why should we lie???)
Why would BA go to the trouble of changing the rosters of strikers within a couple of hours of them not reporting? That would take time, when there is little available for the schedulers.
Either the rosters will be changed at some stage, or as they will have invalid passes, they won't be able to get into work. Their trips will be absorbed by working crew or by volunteers.
I reckon it's going exactly to BA's plan, just as every other stage of this dispute has.
(I'm sorry I was unable to operate as cc this weekend, I would have learnt a lot. But I'm now operating tomorrow in my day job
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That's clutching at straws, I'd say. (And why should we lie???)
Why would BA go to the trouble of changing the rosters of strikers within a couple of hours of them not reporting? That would take time, when there is little available for the schedulers.
Either the rosters will be changed at some stage, or as they will have invalid passes, they won't be able to get into work. Their trips will be absorbed by working crew or by volunteers.
I reckon it's going exactly to BA's plan, just as every other stage of this dispute has.
(I'm sorry I was unable to operate as cc this weekend, I would have learnt a lot. But I'm now operating tomorrow in my day job
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News travel fast!
Wow, I have just been contacted by a BA Manager from London in my hotel! What happened to me and my crew on the tarmac was witnessed and apparently reported by one of the pilots. I have been asked if I wish to take this further. BA have and are adopting a zero tolerance on bullying and harassment. It's impressive that considering how hectic things are at work, BA are doing a first class job of looking after crew who report for work.
So for anyone wishing to come to work, please do not be afraid.
Get Smart,
Well done for making up your own mind.
So for anyone wishing to come to work, please do not be afraid.
Get Smart,
Well done for making up your own mind.
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It has been a MAD day today - mad as in absolutely great!
I reported for duty around 5 AM this morning and all of us in OPS were expecting to have an absolutely vile day ahead of ourselves - but it turned out that more crew than required for today's operation reported. I have to agree with TorC and Tiramisu - the atmosphere in CRC was really positive and great.
Many EF and WW flights departed with FULL crew completements.
Flight schedules have been increased because of the high turnout of crew reporting for duty - and it's not propaganda as suggested by some crew.
80% crew on strike as suggested by UNITE? Wishful thinking from their side - probably 80% not on strike and 20% on strike!
I also have to agree with Tiramisu on another issue - BF did say there will be CR but those reporting for duty will be recognised. I can't confirm if striking crew have been suspended but there is definitely a word out that they will not be allowed back to work until this dispute has been settled - until then they will not get paid - and their rosters will apparently be dealt with accordingly next week hence still showing future trips.
I reported for duty around 5 AM this morning and all of us in OPS were expecting to have an absolutely vile day ahead of ourselves - but it turned out that more crew than required for today's operation reported. I have to agree with TorC and Tiramisu - the atmosphere in CRC was really positive and great.
Many EF and WW flights departed with FULL crew completements.
Flight schedules have been increased because of the high turnout of crew reporting for duty - and it's not propaganda as suggested by some crew.
80% crew on strike as suggested by UNITE? Wishful thinking from their side - probably 80% not on strike and 20% on strike!
I also have to agree with Tiramisu on another issue - BF did say there will be CR but those reporting for duty will be recognised. I can't confirm if striking crew have been suspended but there is definitely a word out that they will not be allowed back to work until this dispute has been settled - until then they will not get paid - and their rosters will apparently be dealt with accordingly next week hence still showing future trips.
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Zilli,
Words nearly fail me. Nearly...
I agree that there has been no official word of suspension yet, so it is all hearsay at the moment, but given what Unite and BASSA have been saying today, your comment: "Pls dont lie just to make your cause look like it worked," is astonishing. There has been a stream of complete fiction coming from them all day! Please don't believe what they say without checking it out on unbiassed websites: BAA T5 departures for instance.
Words nearly fail me. Nearly...
I agree that there has been no official word of suspension yet, so it is all hearsay at the moment, but given what Unite and BASSA have been saying today, your comment: "Pls dont lie just to make your cause look like it worked," is astonishing. There has been a stream of complete fiction coming from them all day! Please don't believe what they say without checking it out on unbiassed websites: BAA T5 departures for instance.