British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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OK so it's only £10 million. Split between the approx 30,000 non-cabin crew employees that's around £330 each assuming BA are stupid enough to take the money from another budget!
Surely by now the rank and file cabin crew would have realised that the ONLY agenda the BASSA reps have is to preserve the status of the most senior minority. Apparently all cabin crew should take a pay cut so the premium long haul crew can enjoy the "status" they have enjoyed for the last 20 years. BASSA sold out their lesser colleagues before at LGW and are now trying to do it to the junior crew at both LGW and LHR.
Wake up cabin crew !!!!
Surely by now the rank and file cabin crew would have realised that the ONLY agenda the BASSA reps have is to preserve the status of the most senior minority. Apparently all cabin crew should take a pay cut so the premium long haul crew can enjoy the "status" they have enjoyed for the last 20 years. BASSA sold out their lesser colleagues before at LGW and are now trying to do it to the junior crew at both LGW and LHR.
Wake up cabin crew !!!!
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Thanks Middy, and welcome. You make a good point as well. Although personally, I'm just waiting for the PCCC to set its membership fees and then I'll be joining-up. As, I hope, will many ex-bassarites and cc89ers.
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Unite have said that lines of communication are still open with BA. I'm tempted to imagine that the only "communication" unite is having with BA is with the switchboard operators at WTS.
Something like:
McClueless: "ALLO? McClusky 'ere, put me frew t'Walsh".
Switchboard: "Sorry, he's busy running the airline".
McClueless: "Err, yeah, err, tell 'im, err, well just err say, err. Oh never mind, I'll bell 'im back on Monday".
Something like:
McClueless: "ALLO? McClusky 'ere, put me frew t'Walsh".
Switchboard: "Sorry, he's busy running the airline".
McClueless: "Err, yeah, err, tell 'im, err, well just err say, err. Oh never mind, I'll bell 'im back on Monday".
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So now Unite want to risk the jobs of their baggage handler members to help make sure the CSD doesn't have to demean themselves by serving pax!
I bet the baggage handlers will be delighted by that!
BA would love an excuse to outsource their jobs to Aviance or Swissport, it would be a dream come true!
In the time it takes to organise a ballot (or 2 and a court case, knowing the trained monkey that runs ballots) Aviance will have recruited and CRC'd enough people.
Mr Walsh will be laughing himself to sleep tonight!
I bet the baggage handlers will be delighted by that!
BA would love an excuse to outsource their jobs to Aviance or Swissport, it would be a dream come true!
In the time it takes to organise a ballot (or 2 and a court case, knowing the trained monkey that runs ballots) Aviance will have recruited and CRC'd enough people.
Mr Walsh will be laughing himself to sleep tonight!
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So now Unite want to risk the jobs of their baggage handler members to help make sure the CSD doesn't have to demean themselves by serving pax!
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Just seen the first report of that on Fox News.
Any port in a storm?
Trouble for trouble's sake?
Hasn't everyone in BA taken a financial hit?
Am I actually living in a 1970s time-warp?
Any port in a storm?
Trouble for trouble's sake?
Hasn't everyone in BA taken a financial hit?
Am I actually living in a 1970s time-warp?
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bashareholder:
No, it is not a totally separate dispute, and I'm sure that the public will not view it as such.
Unite is pulling out all stops and trying to arouse as much discord as possible at this moment.
Let's see how this works.
No, it is not a totally separate dispute, and I'm sure that the public will not view it as such.
Unite is pulling out all stops and trying to arouse as much discord as possible at this moment.
Let's see how this works.
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No, it is not a totally separate dispute, and I'm sure that the public will not view it as such.
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BAShareholder,
It IS a separate issue in terms of the staff groups and items under dispute but to pretend for a moment that Unite aren't using one group's dispute in an attempt to leverage the endgame of the CC dispute is, I'd argue, hard to suggest. The higher union politics are, at least to me, clear to see here and it wouldn't be exactly overly cynical to suggest Unite have held on to the announcement of the ground crew ballot to coincide with the termination of negotiations with the airline over CC terms and conditions in the hope that the attack on more than one front will cause a capitulation or, at the very least, a retreat of sorts.
As for the risible notion doing the rounds in some areas that the trial of a BA worker who volunteered for crew duties is in some way a suggestion that BA's methodology is flawed, well, it's just that. Risible.
Disclosure isn't issued by BA so, even had the chap made it into the air, the issue of the airside pass would've been the responsibility of the government agency.
For BASSA to try and peddle it as a justification for only extant cabin crew being safe enough for passengers to fly with is up to the usual high standards of their propaganda. At the risk of being pessimistic, it's not beyond any great realms of possibility that there are already sympathetic individuals holding airside passes, be they air or ground crew of any persuasion.
It IS a separate issue in terms of the staff groups and items under dispute but to pretend for a moment that Unite aren't using one group's dispute in an attempt to leverage the endgame of the CC dispute is, I'd argue, hard to suggest. The higher union politics are, at least to me, clear to see here and it wouldn't be exactly overly cynical to suggest Unite have held on to the announcement of the ground crew ballot to coincide with the termination of negotiations with the airline over CC terms and conditions in the hope that the attack on more than one front will cause a capitulation or, at the very least, a retreat of sorts.
As for the risible notion doing the rounds in some areas that the trial of a BA worker who volunteered for crew duties is in some way a suggestion that BA's methodology is flawed, well, it's just that. Risible.
Disclosure isn't issued by BA so, even had the chap made it into the air, the issue of the airside pass would've been the responsibility of the government agency.
For BASSA to try and peddle it as a justification for only extant cabin crew being safe enough for passengers to fly with is up to the usual high standards of their propaganda. At the risk of being pessimistic, it's not beyond any great realms of possibility that there are already sympathetic individuals holding airside passes, be they air or ground crew of any persuasion.
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Believe me - Unite haven't the brains to co-ordinate this sort of action.
This has been bubbling for a while - this was caused by a letter that went out this week from the General Manager of the Ramp and Ground staff - link to the story is here here.
Unite did not co-ordinate this - BA themselves did - and it is by pure coincidence - or BA wanting to get all the strikes out of the way in one hit - that it has happened this week
This has been bubbling for a while - this was caused by a letter that went out this week from the General Manager of the Ramp and Ground staff - link to the story is here here.
Unite did not co-ordinate this - BA themselves did - and it is by pure coincidence - or BA wanting to get all the strikes out of the way in one hit - that it has happened this week
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BA Shareholder: I agree it is a separate issue to an extent. However it is being used to cause trouble and will backfire massively. The proposed baggage handlers ballot is not about cost savings. BA sent the BHs a preference form to do with rostering. Failure to return the form was interpreted as expressing no preference. Suddenly Unite object to this interpretation (even though they have not done so for the months that this was proposed). BA will not be bothered about this. Aviance/Servisair will be on standby as we already have major contracts with them. If it could not be put in place in time they will simply tell business travellers to take carry on luggage for a short while. The baggage handlers are being used as pawns to get a CSD moved from pushing a trolley and back into the office. They will see through this very quickly. Think UNITE/BASSA just scored another own goal here and alienated more of their members
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Distractions distractions..
Interesting isn't it, that this thread is now about terrorists and baggage handlers.
Who put these notions (falsely) into the CC debate? And why?
Why are Unite feeding these distractions - shouldn't they be concentrating on resolving the immediate problems they face?
Who put these notions (falsely) into the CC debate? And why?
Why are Unite feeding these distractions - shouldn't they be concentrating on resolving the immediate problems they face?
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as a WW csd you are well placed to tell us what action you think Willie will take against strikers.
Do you think he will make them "unfairly dismissed" , offer a change of contracts under SOSR, or something else.
Do you believe there is a way out for cabin crew ?
I know that you - like all cc - are keen to try and deflect the arguments by focussing on such things as mismanagement or pilot's pay; but do you think that Bassa understand that BA want permanent change, not temporary loans.
And that Willie will not re-instate suspended crew as part of the settlement.
Sounds like you don't trust Unite much (I wouldn't either) but do you trust the Bassa reps?
as a WW csd you are well placed to tell us what action you think Willie will take against strikers.
Do you think he will make them "unfairly dismissed" , offer a change of contracts under SOSR, or something else.
Do you believe there is a way out for cabin crew ?
I know that you - like all cc - are keen to try and deflect the arguments by focussing on such things as mismanagement or pilot's pay; but do you think that Bassa understand that BA want permanent change, not temporary loans.
And that Willie will not re-instate suspended crew as part of the settlement.
Sounds like you don't trust Unite much (I wouldn't either) but do you trust the Bassa reps?
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ba.husband re SOSR
I suggest you go and re-read the news from Aer Lingus just yesterday (Aer Lingus to impose 230 compulsory lay-offs | BreakingNews.ie). It may be painful for all but it can (and just has) been done.
I really, really hope BA doesn't go that route, but it does have that option. it would be very naive to dismiss the option.
I suggest you go and re-read the news from Aer Lingus just yesterday (Aer Lingus to impose 230 compulsory lay-offs | BreakingNews.ie). It may be painful for all but it can (and just has) been done.
I really, really hope BA doesn't go that route, but it does have that option. it would be very naive to dismiss the option.
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The Blu Riband
I actually do not work for BA - my family member does, but will gladly enter the debate!
No he can't dismiss under SOSR due to the 1948 Agreement - he would have to re-deploy on same pay
I think that Cabin Crew have to stand by their convictions - if they feel so badly done to by Mr Walsh then they should strike - the only other way out is to accept BA's proposal in my view
As I said I am not crew but I carried out some research this week and found that Cabin Crew had indeed been left behind in comparison to other departments - BASSA most certainly now understand the need for permanent change as I believe do most Cabin Crew - they just have an in-built distrust of BA and it's management
I don't think he should do that - any public naming is not acceptable in my opinion
As an outsider looking in, I think that the BASSA reps have been overtaken by events. Don't forget these people are not professional negotiators nor I would suggest have they had the benefit of a business management background. BA has evolved over the last 20 or so years by recruiting very sharp and experienced business executives, BASSA has not had that luxury and as a consequence find themselves disadvantaged and in certain respects outwitted - in my opinion.
Do you think he will make them "unfairly dismissed" , offer a change of contracts under SOSR, or something else.
Do you believe there is a way out for cabin crew ?
I know that you - like all cc - are keen to try and deflect the arguments by focussing on such things as mismanagement or pilot's pay; but do you think that Bassa understand that BA want permanent change, not temporary loans.
And that Willie will not re-instate suspended crew as part of the settlement.
Sounds like you don't trust Unite much (I wouldn't either) but do you trust the Bassa reps?
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Talk at work today that BASSA have 10 reps who were involved in the recent negotiations with BA of whom 7 are off sick with stress.
Cheap shot of BASSA's regarding the cabin crew "terrorist" volunteer.
All trained volunteers have been through the disclosure route. International based cabin crew have not been. So you could argue that the volunteers are a safer bet than the overseas based national cabin crew.
Cheap shot of BASSA's regarding the cabin crew "terrorist" volunteer.
All trained volunteers have been through the disclosure route. International based cabin crew have not been. So you could argue that the volunteers are a safer bet than the overseas based national cabin crew.
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I think that the BASSA reps have been overtaken by events. Don't forget these people are not professional negotiators nor I would suggest have they had the benefit of a business management background. BA has evolved over the last 20 or so years by recruiting very sharp and experienced business executives, BASSA has not had that luxury and as a consequence find themselves disadvantaged and in certain respects outwitted
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I would very much agree with you there. However I don't see that as an excuse, they collect more than enough subs to pay for expert advice. They paid enough for representation to take BA to court after all and seem willing to do the same again.