British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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The PCCC would like to wish all our cabin crew colleagues, whichever side you choose to go with, good luck. Our strength as a community lies in the professionalism that we are renowned for, our ability to overcome setbacks, and a perseverance that is second to none. Please ensure that you make a choice that YOU want to do, and not what someone else expects you to do. And let's all respect that every individual has a right to choose for themselves.
To those of you coming to work just think of it like any other flying day. See you there!
Godspeed.
To those of you coming to work just think of it like any other flying day. See you there!
Godspeed.
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Yes good luck everyone!! Whether you are going to work or striking.
But please do not bully anyone that has made a different decision to you. We all make our choices and it is everyones right to strike or not as the case may be.
As an aside, I have read the ''Way Forward'' proposal that was shown in an email from Bill Francis today, you know the proposal that Unite has refused to put to it's members to call of the strike - cannot see why it could not have been put to us all, it doesn't contain a paycut unlike the Unite proposal!
But please do not bully anyone that has made a different decision to you. We all make our choices and it is everyones right to strike or not as the case may be.
As an aside, I have read the ''Way Forward'' proposal that was shown in an email from Bill Francis today, you know the proposal that Unite has refused to put to it's members to call of the strike - cannot see why it could not have been put to us all, it doesn't contain a paycut unlike the Unite proposal!
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It's deeply patronising to continually assert that the CC have been led astray by the union - do we really believe they're all stupid?
As someone who believes in capitalism combined with representation, I think it is truly sad that what should have been an intelligent negotiation was ultimately hijacked by individuals politicing for a dead ultra left-wing ideology (Unite) and outdated working practices that benefited few (BASSA).
So we find ourselves at the close of this year and a half-long debate in which many have contributed. It has been educational and constructive for many, but futile in the real world unfortunately.
I respect those who have defensible, strong and robust views on unionism (Litebulbs), those with principles of collectivism, regardless of the misguided leadership (Eddy) as much as I have with those who clearly agree with me. Thanks to the mods of course as well.
I would leave as food for thought this: as unionists are now vastly outnumbered by non-unionists and the goals of collectivism were largely achieved with the elimination of dangerous working practices, exploitation of workers' housing and purchasing power, and arbitrary dismissal, what is their function? Is the real world so terrible, to stake ones claim on the world and take a market rate for ones skills?
My view is that remaining unionism patronises the very workers it claims to protect by letting erode the very skills that would let them survive in the market - one only needs to see LU workers on albeit good salaries, working less than 30 hours a week, with little opportunity to learn or better themselves.
Unite delivered the new BA that BA needs to survive - exactly the opposite of what was intended. The biggest irony.
Business is a partnership in this day and age, and that partnership is now to be created with new staff.
I cannot think of anything I have further to contribute to this thread now we are past the eleventh hour, so wish all involved the best. This will be my last post on the subject.
In the words of Edward Morrow, "Good night, and Good luck"
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Time to pray?
I have been reading this forum with interest ever since the start of this dispute, and find myself feeling deeply saddened by today's outcome. What I would love to know is who was responsible for deciding to go ahead and announce strike dates, when an apparently reasonable offer from BA was on the table that CC should have been allowed to review and vote on? I can't help feeling that the union leadership (be it BASSA, Unite or both), took a step too far on behalf of the membership, which they really should not have taken without membership consultation and approval. If I was in a Union and they did that I would be fuming!
Surely the job of union leaders is to represent and defend their members, not lead them into a crisis? The really sad irony is that the likes of Woodley, McCluskey, Malone et al will carry on in their safe, secure jobs regardless of the outcome and consequences of the strike, whereas the people they claim to represent so well could end up losing their livelihoods because of the actions of the Union leadership. "Tragedy" is a word that comes to mind.
I have decided to pray about the situation, for it seems to me that enlisting divine assistance is worth a try at a time like this! My prayer is that those who have been caught up in something far bigger than they ever wanted or expected will be spared the consequences of bad decisions taken on their behalf, which they would never have agreed to had they been given the option. My prayer is also that BA would survive as a company, for it would be a tragedy if it went under because of this terrible situation. Finally, my prayer is that the actions of the militant few would not lead to a poor outcome for the many (CC and non-CC) who wanted no part in the outcome we have now seen come to pass.
I will close by saying a heartfelt thanks to the crew of BA308 who served me so well on a flight to Paris CDG last Monday morning. As usual, it was a good flight and the cabin crew were helpful, cheerful and professional as ever. I hope and pray that once this ugly industrial relations nightmare is over, you will still have jobs, reasonable Ts&Cs, and be able to continue to do the job you do so well!
WF
Surely the job of union leaders is to represent and defend their members, not lead them into a crisis? The really sad irony is that the likes of Woodley, McCluskey, Malone et al will carry on in their safe, secure jobs regardless of the outcome and consequences of the strike, whereas the people they claim to represent so well could end up losing their livelihoods because of the actions of the Union leadership. "Tragedy" is a word that comes to mind.
I have decided to pray about the situation, for it seems to me that enlisting divine assistance is worth a try at a time like this! My prayer is that those who have been caught up in something far bigger than they ever wanted or expected will be spared the consequences of bad decisions taken on their behalf, which they would never have agreed to had they been given the option. My prayer is also that BA would survive as a company, for it would be a tragedy if it went under because of this terrible situation. Finally, my prayer is that the actions of the militant few would not lead to a poor outcome for the many (CC and non-CC) who wanted no part in the outcome we have now seen come to pass.
I will close by saying a heartfelt thanks to the crew of BA308 who served me so well on a flight to Paris CDG last Monday morning. As usual, it was a good flight and the cabin crew were helpful, cheerful and professional as ever. I hope and pray that once this ugly industrial relations nightmare is over, you will still have jobs, reasonable Ts&Cs, and be able to continue to do the job you do so well!
WF
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When you stand on your picket lines, just think of all the passengers you will have lost. Having not seen our daughters for months, we now risk them having flights cancelled and not seeing them at all. Rebook and risk another flight cancelled - no I think we will go for the refund and make sure we stay with a reliable one. BA are always overstaffed, and your service is not the best compared with others - yet our loyalty to the flag carrier counts for nothing. I thought you were not striking at Easter - oh, just either side of Easter to mess up everyones travel plans, no one travels on Easter itself. Why would you not think the weekend before Easter when the schools break up would not be 'Easter'. I am not on my own, our friends in the territory where we are are all booking flights this summer with AA and Virgin. Company suicide at this time.
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If BA were making close to £1B/ year, and CC were striking over NewFleet, the landscape of support within BA (and indeed elsewhere) would be completely different.
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Good Night
Well good luck to everybody tomorrow whatever decision you make.
To those on the picket line i hope it doesn't rain on ya,
for the volunteers hope ya get your SEP questions right,
to our passengers i hope ya get home!!!
Good luck to all in these troubled times.
To those on the picket line i hope it doesn't rain on ya,
for the volunteers hope ya get your SEP questions right,
to our passengers i hope ya get home!!!
Good luck to all in these troubled times.
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News Feed
A few of the big players (Like Murdoch) won't allow their feeds to it, but there is currently a "Hot Topic" on Newsnow which should aggregate various news feeds if you are interested (obviously quiet for now):
NewsNow: British Airways Strike
NewsNow: British Airways Strike
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Have joined this forum just to post on this topic...many, many Cabin Crew are horrified by prospect of the strike and wanted Unite to negitiate but Unite are determined to fight a lost battle to make a name for themselves..long after the airline is bankrupt and jobs and pensions lost, the Unite leaders will be still salaried and having tea at No10.
It's a disgrace.
It's a disgrace.
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BAA Heathrow: Flight departures today at Heathrow Airport | Live Heathrow Airport departures
Hard to believe it's LHR... So few (relatively) BA flight numbers .
More interestingly :
BAA Heathrow: Flight departures today at Heathrow Airport | Live Heathrow Airport departures
If that doesn't work, click the first link and where it asks for a flight number, just enter "BA".
Hard to believe it's LHR... So few (relatively) BA flight numbers .
More interestingly :
BAA Heathrow: Flight departures today at Heathrow Airport | Live Heathrow Airport departures
If that doesn't work, click the first link and where it asks for a flight number, just enter "BA".
An outside observer´s viewpoint here: arranging a strike for 3 days here and four days there does not seem like a good way to get what you want. The Finnair pilots went on strike last October, in order to get a contract, like this: everyone joined the strike and they were prepared to strike as long as necessary, for months if need be. The strike lasted for 2 days and the company gave in and they got what they wanted.
The CEO at the time has since resigned. The new CEO, Mr. Vehviläinen, recently gave an interview saying Finnair´s personnel policy has not been conducted "in a humane way" and he´s going to change that
That´s the way to arrange a strike. There´ s power in unity. And striking and asking for sympathy action is not "1960´s thinking" but 2009 thinking - and it works if it´s done in a proper way and everyone´s behind it.
The CEO at the time has since resigned. The new CEO, Mr. Vehviläinen, recently gave an interview saying Finnair´s personnel policy has not been conducted "in a humane way" and he´s going to change that
That´s the way to arrange a strike. There´ s power in unity. And striking and asking for sympathy action is not "1960´s thinking" but 2009 thinking - and it works if it´s done in a proper way and everyone´s behind it.
Er, Eddy, are we looking at the same website or just from different viewpoints? For T5, IF this is the intended ops list, it looks like an impressive number of departures for Day 1 of an airline supposedly without Cabin Crew. Bear in mind that as with any disruption, the first day will inevitably be chaotic and expect the unions to make hay over the initial period of adjustment. Planning will rapidly become a whole lot easier once the "real" CC vote (with their feet) becomes known, so the number of departures ought to grow on a daily basis. For those concerned about the staff travel issue, I guess make your mind up time is nigh.
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BA Strike
Truly - as SLF - I never wanted to post on PPRuNe because I think it should belong to the aviation professionals ... but I am just so sad - and I have a loyalty to BA that goes back to BOAC in the Fifties - Hermes 'Homer' out of Nairobi (Eastleigh) to London via Khartoum Etc I think - after an EAA Rapide - that at this time when we are all feeling the pinch they can have gone on strike.
What has gone wrong?
Anyhw, as I get to be almost 70 and very seldom these days dare to endure the misery of going anywhere by air I have to figure out who can get me in a month or so's time safely and comfortably - without a cancellation - to visit my son half way around the globe ...
I really don't care what it costs. I just don't need the extra worry - and I wish could continue to be loyal to BA
What has gone wrong?
Anyhw, as I get to be almost 70 and very seldom these days dare to endure the misery of going anywhere by air I have to figure out who can get me in a month or so's time safely and comfortably - without a cancellation - to visit my son half way around the globe ...
I really don't care what it costs. I just don't need the extra worry - and I wish could continue to be loyal to BA
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It looks like a good turnout of crew reporting this morning and there are quite a few crew at the CRC.
DUS is one of the earliest flights today (except PRG and ARN but operated by other airlines) and will be operating with full crew complement on 757. LIN and FCO are also operating!
DUS is one of the earliest flights today (except PRG and ARN but operated by other airlines) and will be operating with full crew complement on 757. LIN and FCO are also operating!
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Well good luck to everybody tomorrow whatever decision you make.
To those on the picket line i hope it doesn't rain on ya,
To those on the picket line i hope it doesn't rain on ya,
I don't agree with the strike. I do however respect the courage of those who do go on strike and man the picket lines. The BASSA reps had better be there leading from the front.
It is really sad that it has come to this
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All, whn I posted the link to the BAA website I guess (I didn't register it, though) that it only showed flights up until a certain point in the day because there are certainly FAR mroe there than there were earlier.
Interesting to see that a TLV and JFK this morning are showing as cancelled.... I assume there had been hope that these flights would go, otherwise tey wouldn't show up on the departures board.
Interesting emails on Sky News this morning, but a lot of misleading comments being made.
I'm fed up of hearing the pay scales being mentioned.
My basic salary, after almost 7 years of service, is just over £14k a year. The average wage in the UK is £25k. Remember that if I'm off ill or on holiday, I earn £14k. Virgin's starting salary is around that level, I believe, but their staff get cash-in-hand allowances so their take home is actually far higher than the press would like to make out - I'm quite certain VS crew take home some (or most) of the cash they're given (and remember that, unlike us who are paid into our pay packet, they won't be taxed on that cash
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Interesting to see that a TLV and JFK this morning are showing as cancelled.... I assume there had been hope that these flights would go, otherwise tey wouldn't show up on the departures board.
Interesting emails on Sky News this morning, but a lot of misleading comments being made.
I'm fed up of hearing the pay scales being mentioned.
My basic salary, after almost 7 years of service, is just over £14k a year. The average wage in the UK is £25k. Remember that if I'm off ill or on holiday, I earn £14k. Virgin's starting salary is around that level, I believe, but their staff get cash-in-hand allowances so their take home is actually far higher than the press would like to make out - I'm quite certain VS crew take home some (or most) of the cash they're given (and remember that, unlike us who are paid into our pay packet, they won't be taxed on that cash
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Curiously, there are a number of flights showing on BA.com as "cancelled" while they show on HeathrowAirport.com as "scheduled". Could these be empty planes doing positioning sectors ?