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Nonsense, a name has been supplied to a web domain hosting company. Does that mean that Unite should apologise because a name has been supplied?
If that's not the case Unite should be able to confidently announce that it was not a BASSA rep who was behind this and condemn the registration of the domain and the link to a pornographic website.
Unite's silence suggests they have something to hide.
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It wouldn't matter who it is. If anyone came to me suggesting that they felt unable to work normally because of intimidation in whatever form, I would ensure I spoke to all involved and find out as best I could in the circumstances what was going on. If I felt anyone was causing another crewmember to be unable to operate, I would stand the offending person(s) down from duty.
My view on the wider issue is immaterial - I think I'm professional enough to do my job thoroughly and fastidiously.
I trust all crew members I fly with to do the same.
It wouldn't matter who it is. If anyone came to me suggesting that they felt unable to work normally because of intimidation in whatever form, I would ensure I spoke to all involved and find out as best I could in the circumstances what was going on. If I felt anyone was causing another crewmember to be unable to operate, I would stand the offending person(s) down from duty.
My view on the wider issue is immaterial - I think I'm professional enough to do my job thoroughly and fastidiously.
I trust all crew members I fly with to do the same.
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Alleged where? on PPRuNe? Do you think Unite are answerable to posters on this site?
Of course UNITE are not answerable to posters here, however, the PCCC have had no apology from BASSA/UNITE with regards to the unfortunate actions of the said rep. I can assure you that the PCCC being honourable as they are, would have mentioned it on PPrune had UNITE/BASSA apologised.
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Nonsense, a name has been supplied to a web domain hosting company. Does that mean that Unite should apologise because a name has been supplied?
If they are unable to deny it for the reason that said person was involved, then it is completely unacceptable for them to say nothing on the matter.
Let's not forget that Unite have accused BA of spreading misinformation to the press. It is complete double standards for their representatives to then do the same.
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If you were operating a flight which was crewed by PCC members and there was only one BASSA member and that member felt threatened/intimidated by the PCC, would you have a chat with the crew member and help/support them in their beliefs?
As you are not cabin crew I would like to clarify quite clearly that on duty the majority of crew, be they PCCC, BASSA, Amicus or non-Union, are completely professional, refrain from discussing strike matters, and get along with each other in a very amicable way. Every day we fly with people from all walks of life, and we are highly skilled in being able to overlook any "differences" and focus on the job in hand. It's our job to do so.
Your question is therefore entirely hypothetical, does not add to the debate, and is in fact quite insulting to PCCC members who by their very nature are professional people and would never jeopardise their onboard duties in such a manner.
As to your question about the PCCC, I am sure that you can appreciate that if, when, why, or how the PCCC approach BA for voluntary recognition is a matter of confidentiality at the moment, and not something to be discussed on a public forum. Any information you require about us can be found at www.professionalcrewcouncil.com.
I am BA cabin crew and the above represents my own view and not that of BA.
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A question to the PCCC
Read the thread with interest - however one thing does stand out to me - all the accusations flying around about the 'fake' website, which I believe was made public by the PCCC. And the PCCC being the organisation that actually placed an individuals name in the public domain who allegedly purchased the domain name - are you too just as guilty as those who have been suspended for merely discussing or being in possession of an alleged list of strike breakers? Where is the difference?
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I cannot understand why you have not called Midman's post into question, where he was explaining where crew who may have felt that intimidation had taken place, should come to the flight deck and seek guidance from the flight crew. I know that you are professional, I have never questioned it, I was just flipping the post.
On the matter of recognition, it is my belief that you are not helping yourselves. If I was cabin crew and a member of BASSA, I would want to know whether you have entered talks with BA over becoming recognised. Why would I want to know that? Because consultation (non recognition agreement) and negotiation (recognition agreement) are massively different. If you would like me to explain, I will.
On the matter of recognition, it is my belief that you are not helping yourselves. If I was cabin crew and a member of BASSA, I would want to know whether you have entered talks with BA over becoming recognised. Why would I want to know that? Because consultation (non recognition agreement) and negotiation (recognition agreement) are massively different. If you would like me to explain, I will.
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Read the thread with interest - however one thing does stand out to me - all the accusations flying around about the 'fake' website, which I believe was made public by the PCCC. And the PCCC being the organisation that actually placed an individuals name in the public domain who allegedly purchased the domain name - are you too just as guilty as those who have been suspended for merely discussing or being in possession of an alleged list of strike breakers? Where is the difference?
The two are completely different things altogether.
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The name of the rep who allegedly registered the fake website was obtained from a publicly available source, so it is not the same as the list of alleged strike breakers which was confidential information subject to the Data Protection Act.
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You have made a false accusation, that I have highlighted in bold. The PCCC have never placed any individual's name in the public domain, nor would we ever do so.
We look forward to your retraction of that statement.
Read the thread with interest - however one thing does stand out to me - all the accusations flying around about the 'fake' website, which I believe was made public by the PCCC. And the PCCC being the organisation that actually placed an individuals name in the public domain who allegedly purchased the domain name - are you too just as guilty as those who have been suspended for merely discussing or being in possession of an alleged list of strike breakers? Where is the difference?
We look forward to your retraction of that statement.
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I have most certainly not made a false allegation.
Your PCCC founder member Tiramisu posted the domain owners name in this forum at 17.49 on the 3rd of February - I look forward to your apology for your lying!
I see that she has subsequently deleted the post.
Your PCCC founder member Tiramisu posted the domain owners name in this forum at 17.49 on the 3rd of February - I look forward to your apology for your lying!
I see that she has subsequently deleted the post.
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I hope you took a screen shot!
Tiramisu, may I apologise for this post. I will delete it if you want me to.
Tiramisu, may I apologise for this post. I will delete it if you want me to.
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I hope you took a screen shot!
I also took a screenshot of HiFlyer14's post in case that gets deleted too.
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Your PCCC founder member Tiramisu posted the domain owners name in this forum at 17.49 on the 3rd of February - I look forward to your apology for your lying!
The name was already in the public domain to anyone who wished to see it.
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The name was already in the public domain to anyone who wished to see it.
I asked a really simple question of the PCCC which they firstly denied, then asked for a retraction.
In my opinion they have lost the moral high ground by posting the name on here - without proof that the person in question actually registered the domain, then deleted the posting, then denied they posted it!
Does nothing for their credibility does it?
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Posting the domain owners name on this forum is very different to 'placing his name in the public domain'.
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I totally agree with you - it is much much worse posting it on here as there are many individuals who work for BA and who would relish the thought of 'shopping' a BASSA rep
Sorry, but you are barking up the wrong tree. As I said earlier there is a world of difference between someone putting information that is already in the public domain on to this site and spreading confidential information.
If this issue really is a concern for the alleged registrant, all that person has to do is issue a statement denying that that person registered the domain. Yet, no such denial has been forthcoming.
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No it isn't. If BA wanted to find out who was behind the registration of the site, they could easily find out themselves. Do you seriously think BA would only act if it had been posted on here?
As for denial - again why would they even make a comment? The PCCC is not recognised by anybody is it? As far as I am aware it is three women who work for BA who have formed 'something' - which has no recognition with anybody. Please correct me if Im wrong here.