British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Re: Unite's waffle. Notice the childish colouring-in of WW eyes! Jesus H, they just can't stop themselves can they. Why not draw some specs and a tauche as well. It's pathetic. Unite/BASSA need to grow up.
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Have they costed in the non-pensionable lump sum bonus of £7.1 million payable at the end of year three?
A bonus that is equivalent to their 2.6% basic pay cut? Are they having a laugh?
Grandfather rights for routes?
They just don't understand that they are very very expensive!
A bonus that is equivalent to their 2.6% basic pay cut? Are they having a laugh?
Grandfather rights for routes?
They just don't understand that they are very very expensive!
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Don't forget the language payment as well!! I'm not sure how much that's worth @ LHR, but at LGW it's around £200 I believe, per language.
I'm appalled (but not surprised) that LGW (and to a certain extent EFLHR) would suffer a pay cut to keep WWLHR happy with old crewing levels. Someone asked elsewhere (
) why LGW would have to take a pay cut considering we won't get another crew member on board. One answer was we wouldn't get another crew member due to us not having "lost" one in the first place.
Also, as much as I agree that CMs should be allowed to fly on the Airbus, surely this would initially increase cost due to training etc. Not forgetting the vital part that the Airbus is disappearing from LGW as of winter schedule (that's the current plan). Did the union just swing in that one, so LGW crew wouldn't feel "left out"?
So much for the union going on about transfer rights for LGW crew. In the document there is no guarantees for transfers. I've no plans of transferring anyways, but I'm concerned for the LGW who voted "yes" due to this issue.
Gg
Ps. Having said all that, I don't actually think WW and BF will accept this "deal", but I had to vent and feel much better already.
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I'm appalled (but not surprised) that LGW (and to a certain extent EFLHR) would suffer a pay cut to keep WWLHR happy with old crewing levels. Someone asked elsewhere (
) why LGW would have to take a pay cut considering we won't get another crew member on board. One answer was we wouldn't get another crew member due to us not having "lost" one in the first place. Also, as much as I agree that CMs should be allowed to fly on the Airbus, surely this would initially increase cost due to training etc. Not forgetting the vital part that the Airbus is disappearing from LGW as of winter schedule (that's the current plan). Did the union just swing in that one, so LGW crew wouldn't feel "left out"?
So much for the union going on about transfer rights for LGW crew. In the document there is no guarantees for transfers. I've no plans of transferring anyways, but I'm concerned for the LGW who voted "yes" due to this issue.
Gg
Ps. Having said all that, I don't actually think WW and BF will accept this "deal", but I had to vent and feel much better already.
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Tomkins,
Language payment at LGW does exist, albeit from "old" contracts, such as DanAir and EOG. When the merger happened with EOG/CF, all crew with a "life" flag kept it and are paid a yearly sum per language. Hope this clarifies.
Gg
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Language payment at LGW does exist, albeit from "old" contracts, such as DanAir and EOG. When the merger happened with EOG/CF, all crew with a "life" flag kept it and are paid a yearly sum per language. Hope this clarifies.
Gg
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Message from Bill Francis (Head of IFCE) today
Dear colleagues
As we continue talks today at the TUC I wanted to reassure you that I am committed to finding a way forward and to consider compromises that may need to be made to achieve this.
But there are some points on which I believe you do not want me to compromise.
Throughout the last 13 months of talks my whole approach has been to avoid any financial impact on current crew.
So I was surprised to discover that in its proposals for a significant reversal of the Heathrow crew complement changes, Unite put forward alternative savings that included substantial pay cuts for all of you. This would break my principle of not taking money away from you.
Unite’s plan, which it did not communicate during the ballot campaign, is also unnecessary. I have delivered all of the savings IFCE needs to make without the need to take money from any of our current crew. Your feedback to me has consistently been that no-one wants to take a cut in pay.
To meet the required savings this offer would mean the most junior cabin crew at Gatwick losing about £1,000 and a worldwide CSD facing a £2,700 pay cut.
But critically Unite’s proposal is also deeply divisive. For example, how could we ask crew at Gatwick – who were already working to these complements – to take a pay cut to fund reversing the complement changes at Heathrow?
I know emotions are running high and understandably there is a lot of speculation about the nature of our talks at the TUC. I cannot comment on the detail at this stage. However, there is one thing that I want to make very clear. Any suggestion that we will stop investigating the allegations of bullying and harassment in order to secure a deal are not true. We will not tolerate bullying or intimidation in our company.
I know this continues to be a very trying time for everyone in IFCE and so I will communicate with you again as soon as I have further news.
Regards
Bill Francis
Head of IFCE
As we continue talks today at the TUC I wanted to reassure you that I am committed to finding a way forward and to consider compromises that may need to be made to achieve this.
But there are some points on which I believe you do not want me to compromise.
Throughout the last 13 months of talks my whole approach has been to avoid any financial impact on current crew.
So I was surprised to discover that in its proposals for a significant reversal of the Heathrow crew complement changes, Unite put forward alternative savings that included substantial pay cuts for all of you. This would break my principle of not taking money away from you.
Unite’s plan, which it did not communicate during the ballot campaign, is also unnecessary. I have delivered all of the savings IFCE needs to make without the need to take money from any of our current crew. Your feedback to me has consistently been that no-one wants to take a cut in pay.
To meet the required savings this offer would mean the most junior cabin crew at Gatwick losing about £1,000 and a worldwide CSD facing a £2,700 pay cut.
But critically Unite’s proposal is also deeply divisive. For example, how could we ask crew at Gatwick – who were already working to these complements – to take a pay cut to fund reversing the complement changes at Heathrow?
I know emotions are running high and understandably there is a lot of speculation about the nature of our talks at the TUC. I cannot comment on the detail at this stage. However, there is one thing that I want to make very clear. Any suggestion that we will stop investigating the allegations of bullying and harassment in order to secure a deal are not true. We will not tolerate bullying or intimidation in our company.
I know this continues to be a very trying time for everyone in IFCE and so I will communicate with you again as soon as I have further news.
Regards
Bill Francis
Head of IFCE
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Mr Francis says it all really - BA asked it's employees would they take a paycut, BASSA did not. As an example in the UNITE offer, amongst many ill thought out proposals, how on G@ds earth, could BASSA think they would get away with shafting LGW to safeguard the 'chosen few'. Muppetry at it's best.
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Does anyone here feel like there's a role-reversal going on at the moment?
BASSA have gone from protecting the interests of all it's members, to a vested union which solely protects the upper ranks.
BA have gone from being a big bad bully to being the saviour of the cc.
At least now BASSA have played their final hand, and a poor one at that.
Having obtained the trust and backing of 70% of the crew BASSA then put proposals forward to IMPOSE pay cuts that shaft 90% of the crew.
BA have deemed this proposal unfair as only LH CSD's look to gain.
Looks like any potential picket lines may be thinning out a little bit.
Interesting article below.
Aer Lingus outlines redundancy deal - The Irish Times - Wed, Mar 10, 2010
BASSA have gone from protecting the interests of all it's members, to a vested union which solely protects the upper ranks.
BA have gone from being a big bad bully to being the saviour of the cc.
At least now BASSA have played their final hand, and a poor one at that.
Having obtained the trust and backing of 70% of the crew BASSA then put proposals forward to IMPOSE pay cuts that shaft 90% of the crew.
BA have deemed this proposal unfair as only LH CSD's look to gain.
Looks like any potential picket lines may be thinning out a little bit.
Interesting article below.
Aer Lingus outlines redundancy deal - The Irish Times - Wed, Mar 10, 2010
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Even if the % is a little off, the principle of a pay cut is being discussed here really.
Were all (not just union members) cabin crew to be polled regarding this how many would vote yes to accept I wonder?
Were all (not just union members) cabin crew to be polled regarding this how many would vote yes to accept I wonder?
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Oh no!! They are now going to be calling a strike now! Great! Whilst this proposal wasn't brilliant I thought both sides could have come to some sort of agreement. Do both sides want us to strike? This has been so stressful and caused so much unnecassary grief for us all. Now our union will be calling a strike (probably 12 days!) which could ruin it further for us all!
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But critically Unite’s proposal is also deeply divisive. For example, how could we ask crew at Gatwick – who were already working to these complements – to take a pay cut to fund reversing the complement changes at Heathrow?
Rger.
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Keeping an eye on the threads of the BASSA forum is a bit like watching a multiple car crash in slow motion........
What makes it interesting is that the main car is BASSA crashing into it's membership......
With the old cars written off guess it's ripe enough time to get a brand new shiny "New Fleet"
What makes it interesting is that the main car is BASSA crashing into it's membership......
With the old cars written off guess it's ripe enough time to get a brand new shiny "New Fleet"