British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Please...I could cherry pick comments from pro-BASSA individuals that were certainly something worth an apology to the logic Gods.
Engagement means just that, engagement. It does not mean, in a relatively open forum, that if one individual is not thinking in depth then the entire forum is without merit.
I have my personal opinion regarding why many pro-BASSA individuals do not post here, and it has nothing to do with the random "BASSA must go down!!!!" comment.
Please...I could cherry pick comments from pro-BASSA individuals that were certainly something worth an apology to the logic Gods.
Engagement means just that, engagement. It does not mean, in a relatively open forum, that if one individual is not thinking in depth then the entire forum is without merit.
I have my personal opinion regarding why many pro-BASSA individuals do not post here, and it has nothing to do with the random "BASSA must go down!!!!" comment.
There's been a fair few posts today from anti-strike CC concerned (understandably) about their futures in light of the impending IA.
However, I would suggest that if BA are to survive and indeed prosper post strike; they are going to need all the current dedicated, loyal and hard-working staff
firmly on their side. It certainly would not make any logical or commercial sense whatsoever to alienate that section of their workforce.
So have faith, I do not expect BA to let you down.
However, I would suggest that if BA are to survive and indeed prosper post strike; they are going to need all the current dedicated, loyal and hard-working staff
firmly on their side. It certainly would not make any logical or commercial sense whatsoever to alienate that section of their workforce.So have faith, I do not expect BA to let you down.
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Before you add a post, read at least the last page.
If you have nothing new to add, be that insights or information, do not post a rehash of something we´ve seen posted numerous times already.
Sentiments are running high, and that is fully understandable.
However, this thread is not an online version of your therapist´s couch.
So please curb your urge to add repetitive ´cries of the heart´ and pithy one-liners.
With your cooperation we can keep this thread readable and informative.
Thank you.
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Responsibility has been shared by thousands of we BA employees, who over the last year have sacrificed jobs/salary/working practices in order to keep this company going. The cabin crew need to take responsibility for their share too. They have behaved in an infantile manner, refusing to listen to facts or reason, and this evening now find themselves reading the BA offer that they COULD have got, had they bothered to engage in any meaningful way.
And before anyone says that it's not the cabin crew, it's BASSA. The cabin crew are BASSA, and they have elected representatives to put across their view. they now have one week to decide if those views reflect their OWN thinking, or have they been grossly mislead into believing their REPS thinking?
I had to laugh this afternoon, when McCluskey was going on about £10 million difference and how it was so little. If the rest of the company can contribute their required amount (and on time, not dragged out of them eventually), then the CC can do the same.
Responsibility. I haven't seen a shred of it from the cabin crew. Anyone who allows themselves to be represented by the people on show today, and point blank refuses to even listen to the other side should ask themselves if that is responsible behaviour
And before anyone says that it's not the cabin crew, it's BASSA. The cabin crew are BASSA, and they have elected representatives to put across their view. they now have one week to decide if those views reflect their OWN thinking, or have they been grossly mislead into believing their REPS thinking?
I had to laugh this afternoon, when McCluskey was going on about £10 million difference and how it was so little. If the rest of the company can contribute their required amount (and on time, not dragged out of them eventually), then the CC can do the same.
Responsibility. I haven't seen a shred of it from the cabin crew. Anyone who allows themselves to be represented by the people on show today, and point blank refuses to even listen to the other side should ask themselves if that is responsible behaviour
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From BASSA/Unite
Strike Dates Have Been Announced
12th March 2010 - 11.00The talks we have been conducting with British Airways over the entire course of this year reached a conclusion this week. Regrettably, management turned down a remarkable offer from the union which would have given the company everything it said it wanted while also meeting our members concerns.
This offer gives the lie to the smears that these skilled and professional employees are mindless militants indifferent to BAs difficulties, or are defending a privileged position. The company contests our calculations, but quibbles over the precise costing of our concessions pale into insignificance compared to the losses that BA will sustain in the event of an industrial dispute.
However, despite spurning this proposal, British Airways management finally submitted a formal offer of its own to Unite yesterday. It is welcome that the company acknowledges that negotiated agreement, not imposition, is the only way to conduct mature industrial relations at BA.
It is right that cabin crew should be given the opportunity to consider this offer, although it falls short of what we believe is needed to address the legitimate concerns they have about crew complement and service delivery. Unite will therefore hold a consultative ballot of our cabin crew members to ascertain their view on the offer. We would anticipate getting the result of this consultation by the middle of next week.
However, we are unable to recommend the offer, and are therefore also setting strike dates in accordance with the mandate the union has twice overwhelmingly secured from our members. Strikes are planned for March 20, 21 and 22 and further on March 27, 28, 29 and 30. There will be no strikes over the Easter period, as we already promised, but further industrial action will be called to take place after April 14 if the dispute has not been resolved.
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There's been a fair few posts today from anti-strike CC concerned (understandably) about their futures in light of the impending IA.
However, I would suggest that if BA are to survive and indeed prosper post strike; they are going to need all the current dedicated, loyal and hard-working staff firmly on their side. It certainly would not make any logical or commercial sense whatsoever to alienate that section of their workforce.
So have faith, I do not expect BA to let you down.
However, I would suggest that if BA are to survive and indeed prosper post strike; they are going to need all the current dedicated, loyal and hard-working staff
firmly on their side. It certainly would not make any logical or commercial sense whatsoever to alienate that section of their workforce.So have faith, I do not expect BA to let you down.
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British Airways withdraws its offer before we even consult!
12th March 2010 - 12.30
Unite Assistant General Secretary and lead negotiator with British Airways Len McCluskey said:"The TUC, which has brokered our talks with BA, this morning welcomed our decision to put management's offer to our members. Now we learn via the media that apparently the offer has been withdrawn.
This beggars belief, putting it beyond doubt that confrontation has been management's intention throughout, and that BA has never had any intention of seeking agreement.
The company is now stopping its own employees from having a voice on an offer that could possibly have ended the dispute. If there are wiser heads at British Airways now is the time for them to be heard from.
It is now the cabin crew who are defending the British Airways brand against the Willie Walsh brand of management by machismo."
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Baggersup, that is pretty much as I understand it. Of course, thats not how Big Len put it to the media.
I am looking forward to reading tomorrows papers, where I imagine a deeper analysis will be forthcoming than sky's soundbite news revolver.
Edit: Litebulbs - the ballot validity to strike can be extended with the consent of the employer. BA gave that consent so that Unite could poll its members, on the proviso no strike dates were announced. This was agreed between Willie and Derek Simpson, but BASSA and McLusky went ahead and announced strike dates anyway, then feigned amazement when BA withdrew the offer.
I am looking forward to reading tomorrows papers, where I imagine a deeper analysis will be forthcoming than sky's soundbite news revolver.
Edit: Litebulbs - the ballot validity to strike can be extended with the consent of the employer. BA gave that consent so that Unite could poll its members, on the proviso no strike dates were announced. This was agreed between Willie and Derek Simpson, but BASSA and McLusky went ahead and announced strike dates anyway, then feigned amazement when BA withdrew the offer.
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Originally Posted by The Blue Riband
Assurance for non striking crew
What incentives and / or guarantees might Willie offer to those crew who come into work?
1. A job.
2. A salary.
3. A llowances.
Originally Posted by The Blue Riband
Assurance for non striking crew
What incentives and / or guarantees might Willie offer to those crew who come into work?
1. A job.
2. A salary.
3. A llowances.
Can BA offer any assurances that non-strikers will be protected in any way.
Otherwise they could expect to end up on the same deal as their colleagues who do strike.
eg. They do the "right thing" but still end up on the same sh!tty deal that the strikers will probably end up with.
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Ahh, but in what form? Same as now, or on what terms?
Can BA offer any assurances that non-strikers will be protected in any way.
Otherwise they could expect to end up on the same deal as their colleagues who do strike.
eg. They do the "right thing" but still end up on the same sh!tty deal that the strikers will probably end up with.
Can BA offer any assurances that non-strikers will be protected in any way.
Otherwise they could expect to end up on the same deal as their colleagues who do strike.
eg. They do the "right thing" but still end up on the same sh!tty deal that the strikers will probably end up with.
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Can someone answer this?
As the strike is official then until 90 days has elapsed BA is unable to employ replacements from outside the company. Hence the great push to find replacement C/C company volunteers, which is legal. If this strike gets protracted can BA survive 90 days on this basis.?
As the strike is official then until 90 days has elapsed BA is unable to employ replacements from outside the company. Hence the great push to find replacement C/C company volunteers, which is legal. If this strike gets protracted can BA survive 90 days on this basis.?
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the company and the union can mutually agree an extension.
Willie had to pull the offer. How could BA wait for a ballot with the damage done by naming the dates. You can not seve dates and then call a ballot, that would erode the notice period the union is giving the company.
What a bunch of idiots, they just do not think it through
the company and the union can mutually agree an extension.
Willie had to pull the offer. How could BA wait for a ballot with the damage done by naming the dates. You can not seve dates and then call a ballot, that would erode the notice period the union is giving the company.
What a bunch of idiots, they just do not think it through
That's all very well, but how will post-strike BA management sort the 'chaff from the wheat'? That is, those crew who genuinely weren't in dispute with the company from those spineless faceless yahboos who voted YES and then turned up for work?
It would be a natural human instinct to lash out against those deemed responsible for this mess, and (for example) summarily dismiss the known militant BASSA supporters/reps etc. However, the intelligent response from BA would be to keep the majority of staff on their side within the necessary cost cutting target. If that means the beligerent BASSA reps and their ilk surviving unscathed, so be it.
Looking at that last BA offer, it would appear clear that BA do intend to pursue a reasonable and fair settlement to this dispute. They are obviously in a strong position to break any strike, but apparently continued in their attempts to negotiate a settlement. Had they so wished, they could have played extremely hard-ball. Unfortunately, BA may well be forced to "go nuclear" in time should things deteriorate further. I hope not though.
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