British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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Colleagues, and friends, in the BA community are generally fantastic and, IMHO, don't deserve the reputation that, again in my opinion, BASSA have earned them.
As I, and many have, said but always wish to reiterate it is the Union's course of action I have a problem with and not the crew.
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"BA cabin crew have voted in favour of strike action ,say union sources".This is a direct quote taken from this evenings London Evening Standard."The result of the latest ballot amoung 12000 crew will be declared by the Unite Union on Monday".
Wonder if this leak is true!!!!
Wonder if this leak is true!!!!
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@ Tomkins ... an interesting leak, if true.
However, I understood this was an independent Electoral organisation? Do they leak results?
Not at all surprised by the "result", though the majority %ge is not mentioned.
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However, I understood this was an independent Electoral organisation? Do they leak results?
Not at all surprised by the "result", though the majority %ge is not mentioned.
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I suspect it is true. the evening standard wouldn't print something they 'heard on the grapevine'. they'll have a credible source. might be worth someone monitoring the 'other' forums as it will no doubt be leaked on there.
Slidebustle - great post. sums up my feelings exactly (i'm not crew by the way, and haven't volunteered to work as crew, but can totally understand why people are. Those i know who are, are basically doing it to protect their jobs and help the company out - NOT to p*ss off the cabin crew).
However, its worth reiterating that BASSAs attitude before Christmas certainly helped people when they were weighing up the moral dilemma.
Slidebustle - great post. sums up my feelings exactly (i'm not crew by the way, and haven't volunteered to work as crew, but can totally understand why people are. Those i know who are, are basically doing it to protect their jobs and help the company out - NOT to p*ss off the cabin crew).
However, its worth reiterating that BASSAs attitude before Christmas certainly helped people when they were weighing up the moral dilemma.
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Its just not a story the Standard would print if they didn't have a credible source (ie a Union FatCat). The Unions will know by now and with the High Court Decision due tomorrow will want to land the first punch - hence the 'leak'.
I don't have great faith in the British Press but can't see this being anything other than true. But i think we're all expecting a yes vote realistically aren't we ???
I don't have great faith in the British Press but can't see this being anything other than true. But i think we're all expecting a yes vote realistically aren't we ???
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The real sadness in all of this ... nobody trusts anybody.
Over-stating the case, but hear me out ...
The Unions don't trust BA or the High Court.
BA doesn't trust the Unions.
CC don't trust FD crew.
Nobody trusts the Media.
etc etc etc
How did society, and the workplace, go so ridiculously awry?
No - don't answer that, it was rhetorical.
It's just desperately SAD.
Over-stating the case, but hear me out ...
The Unions don't trust BA or the High Court.
BA doesn't trust the Unions.
CC don't trust FD crew.
Nobody trusts the Media.
etc etc etc
How did society, and the workplace, go so ridiculously awry?
No - don't answer that, it was rhetorical.
It's just desperately SAD.
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This is an important issue if it means you require your union to have a veto over how the company runs its operation.
I do feel however that we deserve a work-life balance and that to have a disruption agreement with no protection from abuse would be to the detriment of my family. The kind of 'no holds barred' change to rosters you are clearly championing would be arguably discriminatory as it would impact working parents greatly and make childcare unworkable. I would be unable to continue a job I have given 100% to for 22 years which can not be right.
Fairness is all we ask!
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CC don't trust FD crew.
The Unions will know by now
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Its just not a story the Standard would print if they didn't have a credible source (ie a Union FatCat).
Its obvious to anyone that it will be a yes vote so its hardly a risky guess.
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Is it obvious, Hotel Mode ?
Much water (and angst) has passed under the bridge since the last 'vote'.
The Company have taken a further position, and many CC claim to have been shocked at the strike duration and timing initially announced.
I wouldn't wish to put money on either result.
Much water (and angst) has passed under the bridge since the last 'vote'.
The Company have taken a further position, and many CC claim to have been shocked at the strike duration and timing initially announced.
I wouldn't wish to put money on either result.
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Given the ballot counting hasnt even started it cant be any more than an educated guess
I have no doubt that some UNITE reps and some people in BA will already know the result and if it is a 'Yes' which i think is almost guarenteed then with then ongoing talks and the Court decision due tomorrow then its within the unions interests to 'leak' the result. a last throw of the dice to try and get a better bargaining position.
all of that is just my opinion of course. As i said ealier, it would be interesting if someone with access could feedback whats happening on the other forums. might give us an indication as to whether or not this 'leak' has legs so to speak...
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Sorry TTB, I have to take exception to that. I could not fly 3 sectors a day, six days a week if I did not have the most absolute trust and confidence in our Flight Crew. The occasional bickering on this site in no way represents the true rapport we have on the line and in the bar afterwards. Why else would so many crew be married to pilots?
As to the personal habits of pilots, we have always had a thing about ladies in uniform!!
[I'll get in trouble for that last part - sorry, Mods.]
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Whether or not this is a leak - it is probably going to be a majority anyway. Albeit less I reckon 70%-85% YES vote with around 80% turnout again. Although if it's around 70% turnout and say 70% YES that means 60% have NOT VOTED YES so would that mean an overall NO vote. Or will it still be a YES as long as the turnout/YES vote are both over 50%. Not too familiar with how the votes are counted etc....
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It’s first past the post, majority wins, majority of voters that is. NON voters are not NO voters.
Unfortunately I’m not within reach of a copy of the Standard so can’t read the exact content of the story myself; they don’t seem to have it on their web site.
I would imagine that the Electoral Reform Society would be rather upset if an official of either BA or the union suggested they were privy to information prior to the official count, they are rather big on doing voting right – it’s their thing as it were!
The story may be someone’s view on the result rather than their knowledge of it – I hope.
Unfortunately I’m not within reach of a copy of the Standard so can’t read the exact content of the story myself; they don’t seem to have it on their web site.
I would imagine that the Electoral Reform Society would be rather upset if an official of either BA or the union suggested they were privy to information prior to the official count, they are rather big on doing voting right – it’s their thing as it were!
The story may be someone’s view on the result rather than their knowledge of it – I hope.
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But this website has copious [not occasional] evidence of CC/FD conflict
)and it doesn't translate at work. On Eurofleet we are all still happily socialising, drinking and eating together and, on some trips, if I didn't have the Flight crew to go out with, it would be a very dull evening.Slidebustle - I wonder if the 'didn't vote' number won't be even higher than that. I have flown with a lot who couldn't decide so hadn't sent their form. Monday will reveal all!
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Still on for tomorrow
.. and that´s the 5th time the same info gets posted.
Please read the thread, at least a few pages, before you post your nuggets of wisdom.
Or is that too much to ask?
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Please read the thread, at least a few pages, before you post your nuggets of wisdom.
Or is that too much to ask?
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Here is from an email from bassa:
Not sure if this link has been posted allready:
Report: British Airways strike gets the go-ahead | Cheapflights.co.uk
Sorry if I posted somethin wrong.
BASSA > Latest News
Court case result due tomorrow
Feb 18th, 2010 by admin
Malone vs British Airways
Devereux vs British airways
Stott vs British Airways
Several individual crewmembers pursued a court case against British airways on behalf of every British Airways crewmember.
The case was heard between February 2 -5th and concluded on Monday 8th February at The High Court.
Our Union, Unite paid for the legal costs to pursue this action, approaching £1.2Million.
Essentially the case centred on fairly complex interpretations of contract law.
There is no question that British Airways have broken the binding agreements that existed between us over crewing levels.
This case however focused on the inclusion of those crewing levels as a specified part of your contract of employment.
Your agreements on the opening pages clearly state that they are part of your contract of employment.
British Airways have argued that this means only “certain parts” but not others, though, which parts, they have not made clear or ever specified.
Will we win? In truth nobody knows, there are too many variables, In the end it will come down to a single Judge interpreting previous contract and case law.
We have a strong case, and that’s why we decided to pursue the action taken, but will we receive that justice? Nobody knows, especially after the injunction of our December ballot.
The judgment can take various forms around contract, mitigation restitution and remedy. Either side could appeal.
We believe it was certainly worth pursuing through the courts. We have John Hendy, one of the leading, if not the leading Queens council specialising in employment law in the country, and the 100% backing we have received from our Union - all of which we greatly appreciate.
British Airways have also spent several million pounds defending their position.
We may or may not win tomorrow but we have given it a damn good go. Less than 48 hours later our ballot result will also be announced and that is a second further opportunity and option for us to fight these impositions.
To be clear the court case ruling will not affect the legitimacy or legality of our ballot in anyway. And we are fortunate to have a further option of industrial action - and it is one we will use if necessary.
The court case does not affect our ballot. Win or lose; only your votes soon to be counted will affect that.
Please note: This message should not be copied, circulated or published without express prior agreement with BASSA.
Court case result due tomorrow
Feb 18th, 2010 by admin
Malone vs British Airways
Devereux vs British airways
Stott vs British Airways
Several individual crewmembers pursued a court case against British airways on behalf of every British Airways crewmember.
The case was heard between February 2 -5th and concluded on Monday 8th February at The High Court.
Our Union, Unite paid for the legal costs to pursue this action, approaching £1.2Million.
Essentially the case centred on fairly complex interpretations of contract law.
There is no question that British Airways have broken the binding agreements that existed between us over crewing levels.
This case however focused on the inclusion of those crewing levels as a specified part of your contract of employment.
Your agreements on the opening pages clearly state that they are part of your contract of employment.
British Airways have argued that this means only “certain parts” but not others, though, which parts, they have not made clear or ever specified.
Will we win? In truth nobody knows, there are too many variables, In the end it will come down to a single Judge interpreting previous contract and case law.
We have a strong case, and that’s why we decided to pursue the action taken, but will we receive that justice? Nobody knows, especially after the injunction of our December ballot.
The judgment can take various forms around contract, mitigation restitution and remedy. Either side could appeal.
We believe it was certainly worth pursuing through the courts. We have John Hendy, one of the leading, if not the leading Queens council specialising in employment law in the country, and the 100% backing we have received from our Union - all of which we greatly appreciate.
British Airways have also spent several million pounds defending their position.
We may or may not win tomorrow but we have given it a damn good go. Less than 48 hours later our ballot result will also be announced and that is a second further opportunity and option for us to fight these impositions.
To be clear the court case ruling will not affect the legitimacy or legality of our ballot in anyway. And we are fortunate to have a further option of industrial action - and it is one we will use if necessary.
The court case does not affect our ballot. Win or lose; only your votes soon to be counted will affect that.
Please note: This message should not be copied, circulated or published without express prior agreement with BASSA.
Not sure if this link has been posted allready:
Report: British Airways strike gets the go-ahead | Cheapflights.co.uk
Sorry if I posted somethin wrong.