British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
The Heathrow departures is useless.
The BA.com one is better. Filter out the codeshares (rough rule, anything not T5 except AUS) and it is a very threadbare program the rest of the day. Suprisingly so, to me anyway.
The BA.com one is better. Filter out the codeshares (rough rule, anything not T5 except AUS) and it is a very threadbare program the rest of the day. Suprisingly so, to me anyway.
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Enough on the 'guess the number of flights thing' please - when making a claim, post a link to somewhere or something that proves your point, otherwise please avoid a speculation war
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Sorry
Sorry chaps - go to Track Flight Status, Airport Delays and other Flight and Airport Information
You need to ensure that you check the box to hide the codeshares and then click update (as they are not BA operated but Willie has been including them, tut tut)
You can then see the true picture instead of the spin being put out - BA operated about 43% of their schedule today not including codeshares
Sorry chaps - go to Track Flight Status, Airport Delays and other Flight and Airport Information
You need to ensure that you check the box to hide the codeshares and then click update (as they are not BA operated but Willie has been including them, tut tut)
You can then see the true picture instead of the spin being put out - BA operated about 43% of their schedule today not including codeshares
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BA T5 departures
How about:
BAA Heathrow: Flight departures today at Heathrow Airport | Live Heathrow Airport departures
Seems quite a few are getting away or am I missing something.
BAA Heathrow: Flight departures today at Heathrow Airport | Live Heathrow Airport departures
Seems quite a few are getting away or am I missing something.
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Hi, Engineer from LHR here.
Just wondered if I could veer this thread back to basics. Understand if folk think its been done to death but, could BAshareholder or any of the other pro-union posters (sorry to polarise you but I think we are all either one way or the other by now), please tell me what would satisfy you to end this action.
What do you actually want?
Simple question, but there has been so much talk and detail that I have pretty much lost track of the main demand.
Detail is important - but what is the main issue that would get you guys on-board to begin listening and talking?
Just wondered if I could veer this thread back to basics. Understand if folk think its been done to death but, could BAshareholder or any of the other pro-union posters (sorry to polarise you but I think we are all either one way or the other by now), please tell me what would satisfy you to end this action.
What do you actually want?
Simple question, but there has been so much talk and detail that I have pretty much lost track of the main demand.
Detail is important - but what is the main issue that would get you guys on-board to begin listening and talking?
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Just flew a jumbo over to the westcoast. Bags were there, everything as per usual.
I asked the engineer if he heard anything about their union or the handlers union backing the strike and meeting with Unite. He said his union did not back the strike and certainly wouldn't cause any disruption.
All Unite seems to be able to do is spread lies. Why appeal to BA's board, they are 100% behind WW, otherwise it wouldn't have gone this far.
I really wonder how this is going to end. One thing is certain, there's going to be a lot of
PS. BAshareholder, is that really the best you can do, nitpick about percentages of flights? volunteers are being stood down because they've got more crew than required. What does that tell you
I asked the engineer if he heard anything about their union or the handlers union backing the strike and meeting with Unite. He said his union did not back the strike and certainly wouldn't cause any disruption.
All Unite seems to be able to do is spread lies. Why appeal to BA's board, they are 100% behind WW, otherwise it wouldn't have gone this far.
I really wonder how this is going to end. One thing is certain, there's going to be a lot of
PS. BAshareholder, is that really the best you can do, nitpick about percentages of flights? volunteers are being stood down because they've got more crew than required. What does that tell you
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Why not role all payments into a basic, even if it is market + 50%, but save on the restrictive conditions? It would be interesting to know the pre/post 97 split of existing staff. To me, to get through this with the staff onside, then you have to appeal to the majority, but protect the minority too.
A blank piece of paper should be agreed by both sides and a reasonable time limit set. All existing terms and conditions should be parked and new ideas brought to the table. A simplistic idea, but if it was me, that is what I would push for now.
I would base this on the point that Mr Walsh has supposedly said that contract notice will be served, if this is not resolved. So get to the table first, knowing that you have stopped the disruption. The point has been proved that BASSA can disrupt and can do again.
This is a bit disjointed as Chelsea have just messed up again!
A blank piece of paper should be agreed by both sides and a reasonable time limit set. All existing terms and conditions should be parked and new ideas brought to the table. A simplistic idea, but if it was me, that is what I would push for now.
I would base this on the point that Mr Walsh has supposedly said that contract notice will be served, if this is not resolved. So get to the table first, knowing that you have stopped the disruption. The point has been proved that BASSA can disrupt and can do again.
This is a bit disjointed as Chelsea have just messed up again!
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You need to ensure that you check the box to hide the codeshares and then click update (as they are not BA operated but Willie has been including them, tut tut)
With reference to "appealing to BA's board", who does Unite think instructed Willie Walsh to use these tactics? Remember, it was Martin Broughton who suggested that BASSA were on the menu, not WW.
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A "wet lease" is officially counted as BA operated, hence their use of the "Speedbird" callsign and a BA flight number. The BA123 is still the BA123, whoever operates it.
Wet Leased aircraft will have a BA flight number, but will use the Lessee's call sign, as they operate under the Lessee's AOC. So those Ryanair charters into Gatwick , while carryng the BA123 flight number, transmit on radio as Ryanair567.
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Why not role all payments into a basic, even if it is market + 50%, but save on the restrictive conditions?
But hey, I am no financial wiz, perhaps you are right.
The "20 BA a/c at Cardiff" claim....
As promised, I overflew CWL this morning. Two BA aircraft were visible on the apron, and one empennage was sticking out from the Maintenance hangar. (There may conceivably have been room for 1 more in the hangar)
If 20 aircraft had been there they'd have been parked up on taxiway Golf (the old runway 03/21). However nothing there except a taxying PA28.
Plenty of photos taken from the overhead as "evidence", I'll upload one tomorrow (Mods permitting).
If 20 aircraft had been there they'd have been parked up on taxiway Golf (the old runway 03/21). However nothing there except a taxying PA28.
Plenty of photos taken from the overhead as "evidence", I'll upload one tomorrow (Mods permitting).
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[QUOTE]I like facts - I suppose the fact is maybe BA should have called them in today as they have had to cancel 38 flights due to depart between 18:00 and 21:00 tonight - 7 will go./QUOTE]
Shorthaul would be cancelled because no shorthaul crew are doing scheduled nightstops at the moment. Only wetlease and about 20 shorthaul round trips crewed by BA were going today.
Shorthaul would be cancelled because no shorthaul crew are doing scheduled nightstops at the moment. Only wetlease and about 20 shorthaul round trips crewed by BA were going today.
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Wet Leased aircraft will have a BA flight number, but will use the Lessee's call sign, as they operate under the Lessee's AOC. So those Ryanair charters into Gatwick , while carryng the BA123 flight number, transmit on radio as Ryanair567.
Edit: If you want a source, get NATS to pull the tower tapes from LHR at about 0915Z.
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Did an early standby at LHR today. The place quickly filled up with crew sporting the nice retro Nokia mobiles. However, very few rang until it was time to go home, in my case after just 4 hours 10 mins. Sort of suggests that people were turning up for their trips in significant numbers.
The atmosphere was strange - a lot of worried and scared people initially, but most people seemed to feel reassured once they'd finished their shift.
The hi vis vested managers are everywhere, including the crew car park.
The only pickets I saw were on Sky TV. (At Hatton Cross, numbering about 12!)
Interestingly, not only BF there today, but Martin Broughton too, circulating and chatting to crew. Delivering the same message: "We are serious about the staff travel, strikers will not get it back". I have to say, if Tony Woodley is pinning his hopes on Mr Broughton stepping in to curb Willie's enthusiasm, if I were him I wouldn't hold his breath unless he fancies himself a nice shade of blue.
The atmosphere was strange - a lot of worried and scared people initially, but most people seemed to feel reassured once they'd finished their shift.
The hi vis vested managers are everywhere, including the crew car park.
The only pickets I saw were on Sky TV. (At Hatton Cross, numbering about 12!)
Interestingly, not only BF there today, but Martin Broughton too, circulating and chatting to crew. Delivering the same message: "We are serious about the staff travel, strikers will not get it back". I have to say, if Tony Woodley is pinning his hopes on Mr Broughton stepping in to curb Willie's enthusiasm, if I were him I wouldn't hold his breath unless he fancies himself a nice shade of blue.