British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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So how will the question be phrased?
perhaps
"Would you like to take a paycut of between £1000 and £2700 plus lose your staff travel and go on strike so that CSD's can continue to watch videos onboard, or would you like to continue with the current arrangements i.e. no paycut, no loss of staff travel and the CSD on a trolley?
perhaps
"Would you like to take a paycut of between £1000 and £2700 plus lose your staff travel and go on strike so that CSD's can continue to watch videos onboard, or would you like to continue with the current arrangements i.e. no paycut, no loss of staff travel and the CSD on a trolley?
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No matter what the result of the proposed "electronic vote" may be, no matter what happens after that, BASSA and its lunatic leadership is a spent force, washed up, finished, without any further credibility - choose whichever descriptive phrase you wish.
Not a single person who has had to endure the bungling mismanagement of LaLa Lizanne and her cohorts during this dispute will ever wish to put up with such selfish behaviour again.
The way forward is up to individual BASSA members: you must now decide whether you want to continue working for BA - or to sign on at your local JobCentre.
I know exactly which way I shall vote; do you?
Not a single person who has had to endure the bungling mismanagement of LaLa Lizanne and her cohorts during this dispute will ever wish to put up with such selfish behaviour again.
The way forward is up to individual BASSA members: you must now decide whether you want to continue working for BA - or to sign on at your local JobCentre.
I know exactly which way I shall vote; do you?
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Crew ballot
Surely, if Unite call off the strike at what would (in statutory notice terms) be the 11th hour, BA would be entitled to recover any costs incurred in preparing for that strike?.
If I'm right, looks like Unite will have the opportunity to run their own airline (instead of attempting to run BA) as they assume financial responsiblity for numerous wet-leased aircraft.
If I'm right, looks like Unite will have the opportunity to run their own airline (instead of attempting to run BA) as they assume financial responsiblity for numerous wet-leased aircraft.
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Staff Travel will be re-instated after the strike.....won't it??
Staff travel will, and always has been, given back after any action.
It ALWAYS will be.
It ALWAYS will be.
If cc wanted confirmation of their leadership's commitment, perhaps they should look to their representatives and seek an assurance that the entire team would declare themselves as withdrawing their labour at 00.01 20th March 2010 irrespective of their rostered duty or medical status.
It is called leading from the front and given that BASSA loves it reference to history, there are many fine and heroic examples but some on this forum would probably refer to a famous action by the Light Brigade, I couldn't possibly comment.
So to the BASSA membership who view this site:
Are your representatives going to unilaterally declare themselves on strike from minute one?
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Unite said the first walk for three days, will take place on March 20 and the second, lasting four, on March 27. At the same time the union will also hold a fresh ballot on proposals presented by the airline.
If they are accepted by cabin crew the strikes will be called off. If not, the airline could also face further walkouts from April 14.
If they are accepted by cabin crew the strikes will be called off. If not, the airline could also face further walkouts from April 14.
Thanks a lot, guys
If this goes ahead you just lost whatever remaining sympathy you had across the company
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So if the 12 reps are purely self serving BASSA protagonists, and are not up for it. They will, hopefully, have learned the error of their ways and resign. Their positions in BASSA are astonishingly unhealthy for the well-being of BASSA and with Liz leading them as a CSD I for one hope BA stick it to them. Then we can hope that the Luddites of UNITE will realise what a grave error THEY have made - call it all off and resign along with the rest of them. The new CC union has the right idea but I'll bet they recognise that CSD's should not be reps.
This has to be the VERY worst case of IA in the history of unions. Gordon Brown must be cringeing with an election only a couple of months away.
What WW will do is make damn certain that any hanky panky, like going sick or going on strike, WILL effect the action he promised that all staff travel for the guilty ones will be withdrawn immediately.
What a very sad state of affairs. Who likes unions now?
This has to be the VERY worst case of IA in the history of unions. Gordon Brown must be cringeing with an election only a couple of months away.
What WW will do is make damn certain that any hanky panky, like going sick or going on strike, WILL effect the action he promised that all staff travel for the guilty ones will be withdrawn immediately.
What a very sad state of affairs. Who likes unions now?
Ut Sementem Feeceris
WW has just said LIVE on BBC News 24 that the offer being sent out to BASSA members IS NOT AVAILABLE ANY LONGER!!!! It was offered last week on the basis that no strike dates were anounced, this is no longer the case, so what are BASSA balloting for?
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It's time to take a stand ladies and gentlemen. WW is going to destroy BA.
Flight crew, Cabin crew, groundstaff, stick together.
We know where this is going.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communists.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
Flight crew, Cabin crew, groundstaff, stick together.
We know where this is going.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communists.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
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Who knows? The fact is that the CC have never been told what the BA final position was in the negotiations so are unable to judge whether it was acceptable. We may never know now!
I bet they don't!
The new CC union has the right idea but I'll bet they recognise that CSD's should not be reps.
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Nope, sorry Clown. I've looked at the company's position in the marketplace/economy, looked at what working for anyone else would look like and decided that I should take a £5000 pay cut and some minor changes to my T&C's to keep the gravy train going.
If you think that by insisting a CSD leaves their office occasionally WW is out to 'destroy' BA ( ) then go ahead and strike next Saturday.
If you think that by insisting a CSD leaves their office occasionally WW is out to 'destroy' BA (
) then go ahead and strike next Saturday.
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Oi, you lot, stop nicking my posts. Its copyright you know 
First they came for Highlands and Islands
Why should I speak up for I wasn’t based in the Highlands?
I remained silent
Then they came for Belfast
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t based at Belfast.
I remained silent
Then they came for BAR + Shuttle,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t BAR or Shuttle crew.
I remained silent
Then they came for Gatwick,
And I didn’t speak up because I was at Heathrow.
I remained silent
Then they came for me,
... There was no one left to speak out for me.
Why should I speak up for I wasn’t based in the Highlands?
I remained silent
Then they came for Belfast
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t based at Belfast.
I remained silent
Then they came for BAR + Shuttle,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t BAR or Shuttle crew.
I remained silent
Then they came for Gatwick,
And I didn’t speak up because I was at Heathrow.
I remained silent
Then they came for me,
... There was no one left to speak out for me.
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WW just confirmed on R5 Live that strikers will lose their Staff Travel for Life. This is not a threat just a statement of what will happen. The clear message was this is not something that will be negotiated back.
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Did BASSA/Unite truly believe that they could announce strike dates, requiring BA to incur the booking losses, customer distress, costs for alternate procedures, etc., etc., and THEN take the final offer to their members for another vote with the option of their membership saying "Oh never mind" regarding the strike?
If Unite wished its membership to vote upon the BA offer it should have been done PRIOR to any strike date being set.
Do the union members understand the position they have been placed in?
I'm of two minds regarding revelation of the final terms that had been offered by BA. Part of me wishes they are revealed so that BASSA members see what reasonable terms they had been offered and what could have been accomplished.
Another part of me hopes that they stay in the private domain because many of these individuals will be facing a hard enough time in the days ahead and they don't need the discouragement.
Your representatives have failed you in the most very basic rule of negotiations.
If Unite thought, and they obviously did, that the offer was reasonable enough to put to a vote of their members it should have gone to the members before any date was announced. This is a travesty for Cabin Crew.
If Unite wished its membership to vote upon the BA offer it should have been done PRIOR to any strike date being set.
Do the union members understand the position they have been placed in?
I'm of two minds regarding revelation of the final terms that had been offered by BA. Part of me wishes they are revealed so that BASSA members see what reasonable terms they had been offered and what could have been accomplished.
Another part of me hopes that they stay in the private domain because many of these individuals will be facing a hard enough time in the days ahead and they don't need the discouragement.
Your representatives have failed you in the most very basic rule of negotiations.
If Unite thought, and they obviously did, that the offer was reasonable enough to put to a vote of their members it should have gone to the members before any date was announced. This is a travesty for Cabin Crew.
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As predicted on this thread many moons ago - its the internal Unite politics that have left the Crew high & dry. According to WW, Derek Simpson (joint Unite leader) asked for a 3 week extension to the strike decision to allow consultation on BA's final offer. Len McKlusky (other joint leader who obviously fancies the top job for himself) then called the strike without telling anyone at BA.
Result - offer off the table and BASSA skewered. Oops.
Result - offer off the table and BASSA skewered. Oops.
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Incredible! The months of move and counter have been seen by all but the union to be pressuring BASSA/UNITE's King...they probably saw an escape route. Call the dates (show strength) but allow the weakening solidarity of the crew to flow towards a no vote when given BA's final offer.
Willie, by removing that offer. Apparently which was in conjunction with a three week extension of the ballot mandate and an agreement not to announce strike dates, has comprehensively slammed that door, removed all escape routes and the king is not only cornered, exposed but toppling.
The game is all but over.
Good luck to all the affected.
Jazzy
Willie, by removing that offer. Apparently which was in conjunction with a three week extension of the ballot mandate and an agreement not to announce strike dates, has comprehensively slammed that door, removed all escape routes and the king is not only cornered, exposed but toppling.
The game is all but over.
Good luck to all the affected.
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Looks like massive redundancies & new legislation means the 'old guard' can no longer hide behind the 'Last in First Out' protection & will have to re-apply to departmental managers for their own jobs... It's played right into WW's hands... no wonder BA's share's are up!!
INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!
INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I thought Len looked shocked on the ITV news stumbling over his words .WW has got them exactly where he wants them .Please spare a thought for Tiramisu and all our cabin crew who voted NO it's not fair on them.
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WW made clear that the "offer" made by BA was made yesterday at the request of BASSA. It was made ONLY on condition that there would be no IA in the next 3 weeks to allow consultation to occur.
Still no Len McKlusky
Still no Len McKlusky