British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk VI
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I will be on board next weekend if required and I think that it will be awful.
A lot of yes voters who have chickened out and aren't as brave as they thought will be there under duress.
I am fairly confident that the workers will not be penalised as that will play into the media's hands that WW is unreasonable.He has the moral high ground at the moment and may wish to keep it.
I will enjoy my weekend,thanks for that! I think that by next Saturday night this could all be over at long last.
Even now I am astounded that us cc find ourselves in this terrible position and that goes for both sides.It should never have come to this over something that does not impact too much on us.
The fact that Unite is suggesting that new fleet starts now shows they really have lost the plot.
A lot of yes voters who have chickened out and aren't as brave as they thought will be there under duress.
I am fairly confident that the workers will not be penalised as that will play into the media's hands that WW is unreasonable.He has the moral high ground at the moment and may wish to keep it.
I will enjoy my weekend,thanks for that! I think that by next Saturday night this could all be over at long last.
Even now I am astounded that us cc find ourselves in this terrible position and that goes for both sides.It should never have come to this over something that does not impact too much on us.
The fact that Unite is suggesting that new fleet starts now shows they really have lost the plot.
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Don't forget that BA will still be on the lookout for any incidents of bullying/harassement, and in all likelyhood will have things in place on the strike days to stop it before it even starts.
One thing I hope BA will stipulate, is that all bassa lanyards/baggage tags etc must be removed prior to entering CRC.
As scary is it'll probably be, I plan on coming-in with my head held high, with a positive mind and with a genuine concern for all of my fellow crew ... we will look out and look after each other, and the experience will be heartwarming I'm sure.
Try to look upon this as a new beginning .... one in which those of us who've disagreed with this whole thing can now come out from the covers and stand strongly together at long last.
Chin up!
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The whole episode is shameful.
When I joined BA (over 20 years ago) as crew, I was so proud to wear the uniform.It was a rigorous application procedure and to work for BA was so prestigous.
Fast forward to now.I never ever wear my uniform in public for fear of all the insults.
I even had my bag kicked by a passenger in T5 after the Christmas strikes were announced!
What a shambles.How sad that BA is seen in such a poor light now.
Any ideas how to get the reputation back?
When I joined BA (over 20 years ago) as crew, I was so proud to wear the uniform.It was a rigorous application procedure and to work for BA was so prestigous.
Fast forward to now.I never ever wear my uniform in public for fear of all the insults.
I even had my bag kicked by a passenger in T5 after the Christmas strikes were announced!
What a shambles.How sad that BA is seen in such a poor light now.
Any ideas how to get the reputation back?
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Reputation
617sqn asked...
"Any ideas how to get the reputation back?"
Reputations are easy to lose and slow to get back...but may I suggest that the PCCC come up with their own bag tags and lanyards that have the slogan "Customers First"!
TB
"Any ideas how to get the reputation back?"
Reputations are easy to lose and slow to get back...but may I suggest that the PCCC come up with their own bag tags and lanyards that have the slogan "Customers First"!
TB
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It'll be a long haul, but the 1st step is simply turning-up for work on the strike days. From that moment onwards, it WILL get easier and you will not have to stand and watch as our reputation is tarnished anymore by that dreadful union.
BA have not come this far in order to just survive through the strike periods and then carry-on as if nothing has happened. I expect the next few months will see many changes and initiatives designed to build on the strengths of those of us not supporting this action.
BA have not come this far in order to just survive through the strike periods and then carry-on as if nothing has happened. I expect the next few months will see many changes and initiatives designed to build on the strengths of those of us not supporting this action.
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The ONLY game in town over the last year has been New Fleet. Once that is in place the old contract CC will become more and more marginalised.
Any new routes/types of business the company wishes to run will be crewed with NF crew (as an example, the sole reason we don't carry G Brown & Co around is that these sort of charters are impossible using crew on current rostering agreements - last time we did it we had to use 3 entire cabin crew complements - c30 crew - to ensure the flexibility that was required. Though only one set of flight crew...).
BASSA have now decided to accept New Fleet in return for the highest paid members of staff/BASSA reps being able to stay in their office rather than joining in the service. What a dereliction of duty.
I truly feel for those crew that have been so cynically abandoned by their Union. I'm operating one of the early LH flights from LHR on the first day of the strike, and I'll be giving them any help I can.
Any new routes/types of business the company wishes to run will be crewed with NF crew (as an example, the sole reason we don't carry G Brown & Co around is that these sort of charters are impossible using crew on current rostering agreements - last time we did it we had to use 3 entire cabin crew complements - c30 crew - to ensure the flexibility that was required. Though only one set of flight crew...).
BASSA have now decided to accept New Fleet in return for the highest paid members of staff/BASSA reps being able to stay in their office rather than joining in the service. What a dereliction of duty.
I truly feel for those crew that have been so cynically abandoned by their Union. I'm operating one of the early LH flights from LHR on the first day of the strike, and I'll be giving them any help I can.
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BASSA: Belligerent, Antagonistic, Soon to be Swept Away
BASSA you have allowed yourselves to be placed exactly where WW wanted you from day one. That sweaking noise is the door closing behind you. Your location; between a rock and a hard place. If you didn't go on strike checkmate to Willy, if you do go on strike checkmate to Willy.
It took him a long time to get you to where he wanted and now he's gonna squeeze. Well done! Who's side is BASSA's leadership actually on?
BASSA you have allowed yourselves to be placed exactly where WW wanted you from day one. That sweaking noise is the door closing behind you. Your location; between a rock and a hard place. If you didn't go on strike checkmate to Willy, if you do go on strike checkmate to Willy.
It took him a long time to get you to where he wanted and now he's gonna squeeze. Well done! Who's side is BASSA's leadership actually on?
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It's a great pity . . .
. . . that there are so few pro-BASSA contributors to this site, just at the time when their opinions would be valuable.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am talking of people of the calibre of MissM, A Lurker and the like.
Watersidewonker does not fall into that category.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am talking of people of the calibre of MissM, A Lurker and the like.
Watersidewonker does not fall into that category.
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Anyone see the connection?
Of the Worldwide BASSA reps 11 are CSD's, 7 are Pursers and only 1 is Maincrew
Talk at work today that BASSA have 10 reps who were involved in the recent negotiations with BA of whom 7 are off sick with stress.
Now let's all watch the mass sick-out of Reps and senior militant crew.
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The biggest thing I don't understand is that strikes rarely achieve anything. Apart from losing customers and reputation. OK, so Unite are not happy that they didn't accept the proposal - to be blunt I am unhappy too that both sides couldn't agree and were apparently only £10m in difference. After a year both sides can't agree and I do agree that it is mainly to do with the militancy of the union and the fact BASSA are often arguing with CC89 and the reluctance to change of many.
But do Unite think that this strike will mean WW will say ''oh I will take your proposal''. That is very unlikely to be honest. And the other thing is - many crew were actually against this latest Unite proposal. LGW crew didn't want a paycut on their already less pay to fund WW CSDs working on a trolley, many crew didn't want New Fleet handed to BA on a plate, many crew didn't want crew members back so we can have a pay cut etc etc. So some crew I reckon won't strike for this proposal.
Am I being incredibly naive but why can't talks continue? Obviously I know BA is a business and needs to get these savings (hence the reduction of crew complements) but what I mean is why can't they extend the deadline again, isn't that better than going on strike. What will it achieve? Especially when I personally do not think that 80% or whatever will actually strike!
But do Unite think that this strike will mean WW will say ''oh I will take your proposal''. That is very unlikely to be honest. And the other thing is - many crew were actually against this latest Unite proposal. LGW crew didn't want a paycut on their already less pay to fund WW CSDs working on a trolley, many crew didn't want New Fleet handed to BA on a plate, many crew didn't want crew members back so we can have a pay cut etc etc. So some crew I reckon won't strike for this proposal.
Am I being incredibly naive but why can't talks continue? Obviously I know BA is a business and needs to get these savings (hence the reduction of crew complements) but what I mean is why can't they extend the deadline again, isn't that better than going on strike. What will it achieve? Especially when I personally do not think that 80% or whatever will actually strike!
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To all those crew who choose to work................you will certainly have my full support both now, on the day and in the future. I admire your honesty and integrity, and intelligence in seeing BASSA/UNITE for what they are, relics of a bygone age,
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Vote or No Vote
Two questions:
Are Bassa /Unite having an "Electonic Vote" on a Proposal put on the table by BA yesterday? As stated by Mc L in his SKY news interview.
Or is there no "Electronic Vote" as BA did not leave a Proposal on the table?
Thanks BD
Are Bassa /Unite having an "Electonic Vote" on a Proposal put on the table by BA yesterday? As stated by Mc L in his SKY news interview.
Or is there no "Electronic Vote" as BA did not leave a Proposal on the table?
Thanks BD
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When the last strike was announced, I believe one of the reasons given for 12 days was "so that all c/c would be involved"
Now we have 2 strikes announced one of 3 days and a further for 4 days, so some c/crew will now have the opportunity of not having to actually strike.
I do not for a minute suspect this is due to the decision makers being rostered for the lucrative trips outwith the announced dates, they are too dedicated to their colleagues to do that aren't they ?
Now we have 2 strikes announced one of 3 days and a further for 4 days, so some c/crew will now have the opportunity of not having to actually strike.
I do not for a minute suspect this is due to the decision makers being rostered for the lucrative trips outwith the announced dates, they are too dedicated to their colleagues to do that aren't they ?
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SlideBustle, I think the problem is that BASSA/Unite are as daft as the BA LT is single-minded. The trouble is, you could argue that BASSA/Unite are single-minded too - but simply do not have the skill to effectively negotiate. So much of their incompetence is being lost in the noise and many of the rank and file will simply not bother to ascertain all of the facts in this. Len McCluckle has a beautiful barnet, but under it lies a brain with an agenda on the General Secretary's job. Rest assured, despite his appaling rhetoric, he will not lose sleep over the plight of BA CC. BA CC are in a dark place right now. I feel dreadfully sorry for them.
Depressing.
Gf
Depressing.
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Slidebustle:
Unfortunately, BA's final offer was submitted conditional upon no strike being called while it was under consideration by Unite/BASSA. Unite broke the agreement and announced strike dates.
Offer is off the table, and appropriately so. Further damage is done when it is understood by BA that Unite/BASSA's representations have no value.
Unite/BASSA pulled the plug on this deal and BA has to live with the fact of life that a strike has been called, and prepare themselves for that event.
I'm sure there is much political pressure being applied by Labour regarding getting both parties back to the table. The strike is NOT popular with the U.K., the Union/CC is taking the majority of the blame, and the Conservatives are going to be outraged.
Right now the ball is in Unite/BASSA's court. They have to come up with something that makes it worth BA's time to engage.
Am I being incredibly naive but why can't talks continue? Obviously I know BA is a business and needs to get these savings (hence the reduction of crew complements) but what I mean is why can't they extend the deadline again, isn't that better than going on strike.
Offer is off the table, and appropriately so. Further damage is done when it is understood by BA that Unite/BASSA's representations have no value.
Unite/BASSA pulled the plug on this deal and BA has to live with the fact of life that a strike has been called, and prepare themselves for that event.
I'm sure there is much political pressure being applied by Labour regarding getting both parties back to the table. The strike is NOT popular with the U.K., the Union/CC is taking the majority of the blame, and the Conservatives are going to be outraged.
Right now the ball is in Unite/BASSA's court. They have to come up with something that makes it worth BA's time to engage.
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United Left
Promoting a progressive left agenda and campaigning for a democratic union controlled by the members within Unite the Union
I post the above as a direct cut and paste from a Len McCluskey page that appears at the top of google when his name is so typed.
Take time, and digest the words. Then think back to the barmy Unite proposals, offered to BA, on the proverbial fag-packet.
Q. Would you rather have BA run by the management currently in place, or have BASSA run the show, because that is exactly what this union is still trying to garner. That's the choice folks. Although now that the nuclear button has been pressed - BASSA will be irradiated beyond repair IMHO.
GF
Take time, and digest the words. Then think back to the barmy Unite proposals, offered to BA, on the proverbial fag-packet.
Q. Would you rather have BA run by the management currently in place, or have BASSA run the show, because that is exactly what this union is still trying to garner. That's the choice folks. Although now that the nuclear button has been pressed - BASSA will be irradiated beyond repair IMHO.
GF
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I would have loved to have seen what the offer on the table was..
But somehow i think it will never surface!!
But somehow i think it will never surface!!
Cheers,
LU
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Direct link to the offer http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...nts/BA0312.pdf
So it appears 184 extra crew doesnt prevent BASSAs loss of face so strike it is.
Oh well, roll on next Saturday.
So it appears 184 extra crew doesnt prevent BASSAs loss of face so strike it is.
Oh well, roll on next Saturday.
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. . . that there are so few pro-BASSA contributors to this site, just at the time when their opinions would be valuable.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am talking of people of the calibre of MissM, A Lurker and the like.
Watersidewonker does not fall into that category.
For the avoidance of doubt, I am talking of people of the calibre of MissM, A Lurker and the like.
Watersidewonker does not fall into that category.
There have been many fantastic posts and balanced reasoning made by many contributors, that are clearly against the position held by Unite and the mandate set out and supported by ballot, of the BASSA membership.
Then there have been many that fall short of that, with as much union bashing rhetoric used when opposing the supposed Unite rhetoric.