British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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New Fleet
I’m one of the crew thinking of going back in Feb (BA are asking many of us to go back for 6 months) and it looks like it’s on a new type of fleet!
I know BMI pay £11.508 + LHR of £2.838 and then hourly rate on top... (this is much the same as Tui and TCX with an hourly rate of around £2.98ish) any ideas on what the others pay?
The BA offer is considerably less than this and whilst I want to support them, I’m not sure it’s possible on what they are offering
Any of you current flyers can offer light on pay scales at the other airlines? I need to make an informed choice
I know BMI pay £11.508 + LHR of £2.838 and then hourly rate on top... (this is much the same as Tui and TCX with an hourly rate of around £2.98ish) any ideas on what the others pay?
The BA offer is considerably less than this and whilst I want to support them, I’m not sure it’s possible on what they are offering
Any of you current flyers can offer light on pay scales at the other airlines? I need to make an informed choice
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hiflyer14 / didididi and eveyone else
I have never been given the impression from crew that i 'put extra work' on you guys, it is just for me that travel by air is difficult because of the health issues i have.
FYI i will be flying BA484 28/03/10 and BA485 09/04/10 and believe me you should be proud of the service that you all give particularly in what are difficult times.
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I have never been given the impression from crew that i 'put extra work' on you guys, it is just for me that travel by air is difficult because of the health issues i have.
FYI i will be flying BA484 28/03/10 and BA485 09/04/10 and believe me you should be proud of the service that you all give particularly in what are difficult times.
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I have now got the Cheryl Cole music video in my head;
With Lizanne as Cheryl and her cronies as backing dancers on the picket line whilst flights with No voters and volunteers are taking off overhead
With Lizanne as Cheryl and her cronies as backing dancers on the picket line whilst flights with No voters and volunteers are taking off overhead
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With Lizanne as Cheryl and her cronies as backing dancers on the picket line whilst flights with No voters and volunteers are taking off overhead
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Cheryl Cole?please...that's the only thing it really annoys me on the community,time to drop the OK! and HELLO! magazines and read on some FT!it's a serious matter and being on this financial situation(The Times speculate nearly £1bn loss)isn't very musical,being BA's managerial mistakes or not,a strike won't help,and I'd like a job by end of the year.Don't care about your Audi TT's at crew's car park and it turns my stomach to think my future and other fellow colleagues in various sectors of this airline(which ALL accepted changes),is at risk because of a selfish and self inflicted behaviour of cabin crew
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Why is a strike the only way? Why cripple an almost dead horse now? Why cut off your nose to spite your face when you yourself say you are willing to take on a lot of the proposed changes?
Think you've answered your own question - sheer spite from Bassa
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Although I am a PAX these days, I was in engineering for 15 years and still have a love of aviation. May I please highlight the following issues.
1. Don't worry about what happens to BASSA, its reps and officers - the only thing that any of you need to worry about is your and your families future and, how you will survive without any income, (by the way is BASSA offering any strike pay to those that strike - from an income in excess of £1.5m pa).
2. Even if BASSA had a sensible plan of action, it has shown itself to be totally incompetant in its chosen area of operation and therefore needs to be replaced with an organisation to represent you that is competant - hence PCC stands a good chance, it comes from people who do actually understand what the job is and the current industry trials and tribulations, without the political union baggage.
3. Would it not be nice to work in an environment whereby employers and employed jointly consider methods for improving the service offered to the benefit of all parties (including customers).
4. Finally, going by some of the very bitter and twisted comments posted about how much they hate the job they do, their customers, employer and colleagues, life would appear to be potentially a lot better for all concerned if those posters resigned from their jobs and aviation in general.
Entaxei.
1. Don't worry about what happens to BASSA, its reps and officers - the only thing that any of you need to worry about is your and your families future and, how you will survive without any income, (by the way is BASSA offering any strike pay to those that strike - from an income in excess of £1.5m pa).
2. Even if BASSA had a sensible plan of action, it has shown itself to be totally incompetant in its chosen area of operation and therefore needs to be replaced with an organisation to represent you that is competant - hence PCC stands a good chance, it comes from people who do actually understand what the job is and the current industry trials and tribulations, without the political union baggage.
3. Would it not be nice to work in an environment whereby employers and employed jointly consider methods for improving the service offered to the benefit of all parties (including customers).
4. Finally, going by some of the very bitter and twisted comments posted about how much they hate the job they do, their customers, employer and colleagues, life would appear to be potentially a lot better for all concerned if those posters resigned from their jobs and aviation in general.
Entaxei.
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(by the way is BASSA offering any strike pay to those that strike - from an income in excess of £1.5m pa).
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Oranguzee,
Oops sorry my Cheryl Cole post was meant to be light hearted! Was in response to what WWW posted and I have also seen a post on the BASSA forum saying it's our theme song for this dispute!!
I understand the financial implications of a strike - that's why I voted No, and I don't want a strike thank you very much! For ALL of our jobs sake!
Oops sorry my Cheryl Cole post was meant to be light hearted! Was in response to what WWW posted and I have also seen a post on the BASSA forum saying it's our theme song for this dispute!!
I understand the financial implications of a strike - that's why I voted No, and I don't want a strike thank you very much! For ALL of our jobs sake!
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I've been with BA for over 30 years and spent 15 years flying LH. In all that time, some of it as a shop steward or staff rep, it would have been inconceivable for me to consider volunteering to do someone elses work to cover their industrial actions ...until now.
I, along with many staff, do not have the benefit of being on an incremental scale and our pay awards are dependant on company performance. You can see where I'm going here!!! Everytime some group within the airline feels like sabotaging the profitability of the company my paycheck suffers. I've followed the latest attempt to deny me any chance of any award/job in the immediate future with some interest. That bunch ofBASSAs seem hell bent on leading, what I know to be, a fairly decent bunch of dedicated crew straight into the growing legion of the unemployed. They employ the grammatically challenged rhetoric of the 1970's shop stewards. Short on facts and high on emotion, every arguement they have evaporates under the gentle heat of the slightest illumination. I now hear that they have suggested that BA return to the old crewing levels but, in the meantime, we can cope by cancelling flights/closing zones and capping first class. It defies belief and leaves most of the airline speechless.
Therefore, I will join the other volunteers (2000 plus and growing) and prepare for CC training. If me being available to dish out some grub/man a door/apologise for my colleagues' stupidity makes the smallest contribution to me being able to continue in long term employment then so be it. I'm hoping that I don't have to be used in the CC role as the thought of an East Coast Back to Back already fills me with dread. However that's more palatable than explaining to my kids why Dad doesn't go to work anymore.
I've had a wine too many and I'm off to bed. I'm no longer sleeping 'malone'.
To all of the BASSA stalwarts on this site (Watersidewonker et al) keep posting...You really do make me laugh.
Night night!
I, along with many staff, do not have the benefit of being on an incremental scale and our pay awards are dependant on company performance. You can see where I'm going here!!! Everytime some group within the airline feels like sabotaging the profitability of the company my paycheck suffers. I've followed the latest attempt to deny me any chance of any award/job in the immediate future with some interest. That bunch of
BASSAs seem hell bent on leading, what I know to be, a fairly decent bunch of dedicated crew straight into the growing legion of the unemployed. They employ the grammatically challenged rhetoric of the 1970's shop stewards. Short on facts and high on emotion, every arguement they have evaporates under the gentle heat of the slightest illumination. I now hear that they have suggested that BA return to the old crewing levels but, in the meantime, we can cope by cancelling flights/closing zones and capping first class. It defies belief and leaves most of the airline speechless. Therefore, I will join the other volunteers (2000 plus and growing) and prepare for CC training. If me being available to dish out some grub/man a door/apologise for my colleagues' stupidity makes the smallest contribution to me being able to continue in long term employment then so be it. I'm hoping that I don't have to be used in the CC role as the thought of an East Coast Back to Back already fills me with dread. However that's more palatable than explaining to my kids why Dad doesn't go to work anymore.
I've had a wine too many and I'm off to bed. I'm no longer sleeping 'malone'.
To all of the BASSA stalwarts on this site (Watersidewonker et al) keep posting...You really do make me laugh.
Night night!
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Watersidewonker
Wonker you have a great deal to learn on how to prepare a well written and well presented post, from Muizenburg. He/she is clearly on the same voting side as yourself, but able to express views in such a way that the "opposition" can relate to, if not agree with. It is also clear from the post that he/she was not in full possession of the facts (e.g. shares offer) when arriving at the decision to support the strike. However that post has earned much more respect on this forum that one liners straight off the BASSA forum.
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Well,a £3.7b pension deficit and £1bn record losses by march 2010(£602mil actual aparently) the song should be changed to ....we've gotta go,go,go,go,go to Jobcentre plus....Simom Cowel might like it.
I feel that our arrogance is coming back to bite us in the...s,I can't blame any member of ground staff,pilots,engineers for taking on the opportunity,as ground staff positions are volatile and they need to back the company at the moment as when s**t hits the fan they're the first to go,pilots,you get those new first officers with over £100k in debt due to their very expensive integrated flight training,they'll do it as not only they need the cash but pilots are in surplus in the market,you better look good to your employer.Besides,we're never United,never.From the ballot of WW lgw for BA proposal of a single fleet LGW to their entry on the NSP,and others disputes,crew ALWAYS stabbed each other on the back,From the minor gossip/galley FM(don't tell me is part of a cultural aspect of the job,like I heard today,to me is childish high school b....ss)to the most serious matters like this one we face.
what can I say,it's true...
I feel that our arrogance is coming back to bite us in the...s,I can't blame any member of ground staff,pilots,engineers for taking on the opportunity,as ground staff positions are volatile and they need to back the company at the moment as when s**t hits the fan they're the first to go,pilots,you get those new first officers with over £100k in debt due to their very expensive integrated flight training,they'll do it as not only they need the cash but pilots are in surplus in the market,you better look good to your employer.Besides,we're never United,never.From the ballot of WW lgw for BA proposal of a single fleet LGW to their entry on the NSP,and others disputes,crew ALWAYS stabbed each other on the back,From the minor gossip/galley FM(don't tell me is part of a cultural aspect of the job,like I heard today,to me is childish high school b....ss)to the most serious matters like this one we face.
what can I say,it's true...
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WatersideWonker,
Given the circumstances, and since musical analogies are permitted, perhaps these Queen lyrics are more appropriate:
"What the hell we fighting for ?
Ah, just surrender and it won't hurt at all
You just got time to say your prayers
while you're waiting for the hammer to fall"
Given the circumstances, and since musical analogies are permitted, perhaps these Queen lyrics are more appropriate:
"What the hell we fighting for ?
Ah, just surrender and it won't hurt at all
You just got time to say your prayers
while you're waiting for the hammer to fall"
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In a nutshell! This dispute is being driven by people who think the FT is a dance group from Britains got talent! With evey statement from bassa sounding like the advice column in NOW/ok!/yes and the leadership of unite resembling a 1970s politburu i've lost all hope of a negotiated end to this mess!
Does anybody know the real number of volunteers?
Yes yes wonker, I'm sure it is 216!
Does anybody know the real number of volunteers?
Yes yes wonker, I'm sure it is 216!
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I'm surprised that Wonker feels anyone here cares how he/she votes. The inportant thing is the fallout of the entire episode. And I don't believe BA's future will include the like of Wonker ........... unless, as is fully expected from a lot of the 'all-talk, little real action' BASSA types, he/she votes yes and turns up for work anyway. No conviction in the noisy ones. Money where mouth is? Probably not.
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Interesting idea that the recall of the temps is a panicky, last ditch move by WW.
Weren't they all asked to hang onto their uniform when their contracts ended last year?
Looks like a planned move to me - especially if you compare it to how the company reacts when I lose as much as a tie - and don't read anything into the 'refusals'. Given the vitriol they can expect, I'd keep quiet too....
Weren't they all asked to hang onto their uniform when their contracts ended last year?
Looks like a planned move to me - especially if you compare it to how the company reacts when I lose as much as a tie - and don't read anything into the 'refusals'. Given the vitriol they can expect, I'd keep quiet too....
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52049er,
Shame on you!
Never, ever, let the truth get in the way of a good BASSA rhetoric story!
It would seem they are using the same calculator they used for the 'cost savings' figures to calculate the number of volunteers.
My vote is that WatersideWonker is actually a management plant (aspidistra or pansy, I'm not sure) placed here to stir things up!
Shame on you!
Looks like a planned move to me - especially if you compare it to how the company reacts when I lose as much as a tie - and don't read anything into the 'refusals'. Given the vitriol they can expect, I'd keep quiet too....
It would seem they are using the same calculator they used for the 'cost savings' figures to calculate the number of volunteers.
My vote is that WatersideWonker is actually a management plant (aspidistra or pansy, I'm not sure) placed here to stir things up!