British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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Ms Malone, the flight deck is where pilots work
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Corrupt and belligerent reps who are acting solely in their own interest; but ably supported by a hard core group of politically motivated individuals and union / militant activists.
Followed by many loyal but misled members; many of whom should be asking themselves some serious and searching quetions by now.
Cabin Crew
time for you to show some intelligence and guts to stand up for yourselves. Pilots are putting their money where their mouth is now you must too.
It is positive progress that more and more cc are coming here to vent their frustration and seek some answers.
PCCC
Time to go public!
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BASSA – I have never known any organisation that represents others by democratically elected mandate by a paying membership base tell such outright lies to that same membership. Never..!
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A cold day in Paradise.
For a while I thought everyone had retired to their respective bunkers pending Monday's entertainment in the High Court. So, I sat and watched the hail, which turned to sleet and then to snow, before lifting my spirits with a nice mixed game casserole and some Wolf Blass Shiraz. Now I discover you were just waiting until my back was turned!
So ....
Ms Malone is lashing out in all directions, but especially at the Flight Deck. These wicked aircraft drivers are paid for more skills and responsibilities than she could possibly imagine. And then they DARE to try to keep BA operating by "helping down the back"? Name and shame!!
Dignified? When did BASSA last do 'dignified'? Can anyone suggest when that was?
Is there any proof of those "... First Officers and Captains who have been in touch with us over the last week to say how ashamed they are at their colleagues’ behaviour and how sickened they are with BALPA’s hypocrisy"? I doubt that the temperature in Hades is low enough for a frost, so I won't hold my breath for that evidence.
Do I detect a degree of desperation at BASSA?
And is the Court delay in any way associated with Unite being leaned on from 'above' to try and stop this getting really silly?
At one stage I was relatively happy to listen to both sides. The latest outpourings from BASSA have completely convinced me that they have to go, one way or another. I earnestly hope that the company and the intelligent CC will survive this tragic debacle.
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Ms Malone is lashing out in all directions, but especially at the Flight Deck. These wicked aircraft drivers are paid for more skills and responsibilities than she could possibly imagine. And then they DARE to try to keep BA operating by "helping down the back"? Name and shame!!
Just because a few selfish pilots have chosen to become involved in “strike breaking” we need to maintain a dignified relationship and a sense of proportion.
Is there any proof of those "... First Officers and Captains who have been in touch with us over the last week to say how ashamed they are at their colleagues’ behaviour and how sickened they are with BALPA’s hypocrisy"? I doubt that the temperature in Hades is low enough for a frost, so I won't hold my breath for that evidence.
Do I detect a degree of desperation at BASSA?
And is the Court delay in any way associated with Unite being leaned on from 'above' to try and stop this getting really silly?
At one stage I was relatively happy to listen to both sides. The latest outpourings from BASSA have completely convinced me that they have to go, one way or another. I earnestly hope that the company and the intelligent CC will survive this tragic debacle.
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TTB,
You exemplify the result of the process so many people go through with BASSA. I too was willing to listen, in an attempt to understand their perceived plight and to gain a broader picture of the whole sorry IR mess. But, and is ever their way, the wounded animal lashes out at anyone who refuses to see it their way, be it colleague or customer. So we end up where we are now, with an increasingly enraged (and enraging) series of communications and a hardcore group of individuals who cling on to any form of positive encouragement (and just look at who in politics and the media they are holding high as their champions).
Needless, sorry and just so bloody avoidable.
MrB
You exemplify the result of the process so many people go through with BASSA. I too was willing to listen, in an attempt to understand their perceived plight and to gain a broader picture of the whole sorry IR mess. But, and is ever their way, the wounded animal lashes out at anyone who refuses to see it their way, be it colleague or customer. So we end up where we are now, with an increasingly enraged (and enraging) series of communications and a hardcore group of individuals who cling on to any form of positive encouragement (and just look at who in politics and the media they are holding high as their champions).
Needless, sorry and just so bloody avoidable.
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In fact BALPA are so “neutral” that one of their senior reps, a Captain, is on the first course. We don’t call that “neutral”, we call it callous, spineless and a disgrace to decency. It is tempting to name this individual but BASSA will not be joining this particular Captain and his “union” in the gutter.
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Muizenberg.
I have read your posts and others with interest. Yes there have been some major cock ups in the past but not costing the amounts you quote ( billions)
Price fixing cost us £170 million
Cargo fixing £100 million
Fuel hedging, we are actually up £194 million and well placed to take advantage this year.
Your average of £100,000 pay off per Manager is way out.
No managers are not getting a bonus this year or next or did indeed last year. In addition there will be no pay rise for Managers for the next two years again none last year. Really don't know were you are getting your info on managers from
How much has the threat of CC going on strike cost ??
I like many of my colleagues on the ground have volunteered to cover CC during the strike period, if needed. As I want to protect my 33 year pension and will be proud if I can do the same for others. Last but by no means least protect the company from going bust.
But as I am slightly long in the tooth. I will be pretty well down the very long list of ground workers ( from what I am hearing ) who are volunteering.
I do hope your BASSA reps and CC hotheads get what is coming to you. If CC think you have any support from other areas, you are very much mistaken, just pop down to the ramp and tell the guys ( all who have given up far more than you are being asked to do over the last two years ) you are striking and see what reaction you get.
I have read your posts and others with interest. Yes there have been some major cock ups in the past but not costing the amounts you quote ( billions)
Price fixing cost us £170 million
Cargo fixing £100 million
Fuel hedging, we are actually up £194 million and well placed to take advantage this year.
Your average of £100,000 pay off per Manager is way out.
No managers are not getting a bonus this year or next or did indeed last year. In addition there will be no pay rise for Managers for the next two years again none last year. Really don't know were you are getting your info on managers from
How much has the threat of CC going on strike cost ??
I like many of my colleagues on the ground have volunteered to cover CC during the strike period, if needed. As I want to protect my 33 year pension and will be proud if I can do the same for others. Last but by no means least protect the company from going bust.
But as I am slightly long in the tooth. I will be pretty well down the very long list of ground workers ( from what I am hearing ) who are volunteering.
I do hope your BASSA reps and CC hotheads get what is coming to you. If CC think you have any support from other areas, you are very much mistaken, just pop down to the ramp and tell the guys ( all who have given up far more than you are being asked to do over the last two years ) you are striking and see what reaction you get.
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If i was WW i would just go ahead and sack the BASSA reps.They have brought the company in to disrepute time and time again.
BASSA hates anything or anyone that has a diffrent opinion .WW should just remove BASSA once and for all this whole mess is out of control now.WW needs to remind BASSA who is running this airline.
BASSA hates anything or anyone that has a diffrent opinion .WW should just remove BASSA once and for all this whole mess is out of control now.WW needs to remind BASSA who is running this airline.
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@ draglift ... indeed, and well put! Any concept of "higher perspectives" is apparently completely lost on BASSA.
Forget the fact that the Company is in dire financial poo.
Abuse Flight Crew because they're paid more.
Distort facts, tell porkies, avoid reality.
Any BASSA Banner should be emblazoned with "ME ME ME ME ME"
Forget the fact that the Company is in dire financial poo.
Abuse Flight Crew because they're paid more.
Distort facts, tell porkies, avoid reality.
Any BASSA Banner should be emblazoned with "ME ME ME ME ME"
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BASSA hates, who is BASSA and how can it hate?
"Who is BASSA"? ... perhaps the Union Reps with a vested interest in their Union status, and the £100 per day they get paid for causing disruption to the travelling public and the company?
"How can it hate"? ... perhaps by fomenting discord between different parts of BA? There seems to be a certain friction exposed by Ms Malone's outpourings about Cabin Crew and Flight Crew.
Personal view ... please don't kill me, I'm only a paying customer.
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Our PCC starting to get under La La's skin?
FROM THE MOD - REMINDER RE "ALTERNATE" UNION
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to respectfully remind you all that any thread/post relating to an alternate Trade Union body which claims to represent crew, will be automatically deleted from the BASSA Forum.
Anyone reposting thread/posts about this topic will have their posting rights automatically suspended.
The forum is constantly monitored.
In light of what we as a Union are facing, threads/posts realting to this issue CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be allowed on your Unions Forum.
PLEASE NOTE - THIS WILL BE THE ONE AND ONLY NOTICE ON THE SUBJECT.
It is considered a joke, is libellous, defamatory, and if not more importantly, is blatantly being encouraged by the company, hence the reason for us not allowing it on the forum.
WE THANK-YOU, our members, for your continued support of the Union, your input to the forum and for your understading in this matter.
THE MODERATOR
Hi everyone,
I just wanted to respectfully remind you all that any thread/post relating to an alternate Trade Union body which claims to represent crew, will be automatically deleted from the BASSA Forum.
Anyone reposting thread/posts about this topic will have their posting rights automatically suspended.
The forum is constantly monitored.
In light of what we as a Union are facing, threads/posts realting to this issue CANNOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be allowed on your Unions Forum.
PLEASE NOTE - THIS WILL BE THE ONE AND ONLY NOTICE ON THE SUBJECT.
It is considered a joke, is libellous, defamatory, and if not more importantly, is blatantly being encouraged by the company, hence the reason for us not allowing it on the forum.
WE THANK-YOU, our members, for your continued support of the Union, your input to the forum and for your understading in this matter.
THE MODERATOR
You're being sold a lemon.
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Its not really 1984. I am sure I have never seen Vauxhall's advertised on a Ford site. That is why it is so important to engage on neutral sites like Pprune. Hissy fits do not work if you want to imbed ideas in individual minds.
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BASSA Reps
If it is the reps who you blame it all on, then say so when posting. If it is the overall cabin crew community, then say that and of course I am sure you will state when it is Unite.
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Oh, and @ Lightbulbs ... as an 'outsider' I am using generic terms. It is not for me to allocate responsibility to individuals other than Ms Malone, who has placed herself in the spotlight.
I have no doubt there are many BASSA members who view this slo-mo train crash with great apprehension. Some are undoubtedly supporters of the position taken by the Union, others are not. I would not tar all with the same brush.
However, the 'conflict' is between BASSA and BA; I accept that Unite has a part to play, but it's basically BASSA v. BA.
So who is BASSA? I suggest Ms Malone and her [what's the correct term? Committee?].
I have no doubt there are many BASSA members who view this slo-mo train crash with great apprehension. Some are undoubtedly supporters of the position taken by the Union, others are not. I would not tar all with the same brush.
However, the 'conflict' is between BASSA and BA; I accept that Unite has a part to play, but it's basically BASSA v. BA.
So who is BASSA? I suggest Ms Malone and her [what's the correct term? Committee?].