British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
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It's very important people realise what will happen in the unlikely event that the courts find in favour of BASSA's position.
BA are unable to accept that the numbers of people working on board any particular a/c type is contractual. Nor should they!
In this event BA will consider that all cabin crew contracts are not fit for purpose, and will immediately move to terminate ALL CC contracts, with 90 days notice.
BA ARE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO DO THIS!
What will most likely follow is that new contracts will be issued, and crew will be given a once only offer to accept the new T & Cs, or leave. If they choose to leave, BA may decide to offer minimum statutory redundancy, which is nowhere near as much as people have recently been offered to 'encourage' them to leave!
BASSA have really got the whole idea of going to court, very badly wrong!
BA is talking about reaching a formalised and finalised agreement by 31/01/10. With the court case starting on 1st Feb is BA intimating concerns about the outcome? Should Unite win the case they could, conceivably, offer to keep the current levels of crew and propose to forego the working one down payment for all crew providing BA are prepared to explore further assurances for current crew and also negotiate on how New Fleet is introduced.
BA are unable to accept that the numbers of people working on board any particular a/c type is contractual. Nor should they!
In this event BA will consider that all cabin crew contracts are not fit for purpose, and will immediately move to terminate ALL CC contracts, with 90 days notice.
BA ARE LEGALLY ENTITLED TO DO THIS!
What will most likely follow is that new contracts will be issued, and crew will be given a once only offer to accept the new T & Cs, or leave. If they choose to leave, BA may decide to offer minimum statutory redundancy, which is nowhere near as much as people have recently been offered to 'encourage' them to leave!
BASSA have really got the whole idea of going to court, very badly wrong!
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I notice point 10 on BASSA '20point' reason to vote yes is as follows....
10 You have imposed a 20% reduction in emplyee food subsidies at both heathrow and gatwick.
I assume they are talking about the latest increase in tax that was 'imposed' by the inland revenue!! how convenient to use this as a point against the company. No mis-information or lies there then!!
Come on BASSA if you really care about the crew at least be transparent and be honest.
10 You have imposed a 20% reduction in emplyee food subsidies at both heathrow and gatwick.
I assume they are talking about the latest increase in tax that was 'imposed' by the inland revenue!! how convenient to use this as a point against the company. No mis-information or lies there then!!
Come on BASSA if you really care about the crew at least be transparent and be honest.
I think one read of the Times article above explains why BA are playing hard ball with this one.
Does any BASSA member really believe that nothing will change if they win their court case and/or their strike?
Isn't there a saying about those being blind that cannot see?
When CC find themselves on 90 days notice, please don't post on here about how you never realised things were so bad, or how hard done you have been.
I think it is dawning on many BASSA members how deep in the S*** the company really is. Question is, how do you stop your march toward oblivion?
Does any BASSA member really believe that nothing will change if they win their court case and/or their strike?
Isn't there a saying about those being blind that cannot see?
When CC find themselves on 90 days notice, please don't post on here about how you never realised things were so bad, or how hard done you have been.
I think it is dawning on many BASSA members how deep in the S*** the company really is. Question is, how do you stop your march toward oblivion?
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This was in response to a post as to how reinstating crew complements would achieve the savings required by the IFCE.
If the savings achieved by the reduction in cabin crew complement are £31m (according to Bassa), then replacing them with new cabin crew on a salary of say 2/3 of current cabin crew, then the savings achieved will only be around £10m.
Where will the other £130m come from?
Bearing in mind that the cost of my 3day cabin crew course, together with those of a couple of thousand volunteers, (not 216!), is coming from the cabin crew budget, requiring further savings to be made.
So, what are Bassa's proposals to actually save money?
If the savings achieved by the reduction in cabin crew complement are £31m (according to Bassa), then replacing them with new cabin crew on a salary of say 2/3 of current cabin crew, then the savings achieved will only be around £10m.
Where will the other £130m come from?
Bearing in mind that the cost of my 3day cabin crew course, together with those of a couple of thousand volunteers, (not 216!), is coming from the cabin crew budget, requiring further savings to be made.
So, what are Bassa's proposals to actually save money?
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Have a read for yourself and see the whole damning verdict on their incompetence. You won't find it on the BASSA forum!
British Airways Plc v Unite the Union [2009] EWHC 3541 (QB) (17 December 2009)
** hint - search for "Malone"
British Airways Plc v Unite the Union [2009] EWHC 3541 (QB) (17 December 2009)
** hint - search for "Malone"
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Have a read for yourself and see the whole damning verdict on their incompetence. You won't find it on the BASSA forum!
British Airways Plc v Unite the Union [2009] EWHC 3541 (QB) (17 December 2009)
** hint - search for "Malone"
Has this been posted on the crew forum?
British Airways Plc v Unite the Union [2009] EWHC 3541 (QB) (17 December 2009)
** hint - search for "Malone"
Has this been posted on the crew forum?
Yeah, right!
I tell you what, if someone has the balls, post it on there, and set a stop watch, and then tell me, to the nearest 30 seconds how long it takes for the Mods to delete it. I reckon it would last about 2mins30.
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Originally Posted by cloudn9ne
I assume they are talking about the latest increase in tax that was 'imposed' by the inland revenue!! how convenient to use this as a point against the company. No mis-information or lies there then!!
Didn't you know? It is actually a human right for tubby CSDs to be able to fill their faces with subsidised buns. Isn't that the same in every workplace in the country?!?!
It's not as if cabin crew who are sitting about between flights at lunchtime are being paid some sort of generous meal allowance that would cover a lunch from M&S .....oh, hang on... what's that you say? Oh, they are! 
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Having read the verdict even I am surprised at how damning it is.
Unite and Bassa were not just extremely incompetent but also lazy and deliberately misleading (lying) in every aspect of the case.
Unite and Bassa were not just extremely incompetent but also lazy and deliberately misleading (lying) in every aspect of the case.
Beware the Kalends of March!
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Verdict
Have a read for yourself and see the whole damning verdict on their incompetence. You won't find it on the BASSA forum!
British Airways Plc v Unite the Union [2009] EWHC 3541 (QB) (17 December 2009)
** hint - search for "Malone"
Has this been posted on the crew forum?
British Airways Plc v Unite the Union [2009] EWHC 3541 (QB) (17 December 2009)
** hint - search for "Malone"
Has this been posted on the crew forum?
Surely even the most diehard Bassa member can see that they are backing the wrong horse. Always assuming that they will bother to read it.
PS Thanks to Flex SRS for drawing this to my attention.
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I agree with all those comments. Yes, apart from being sacked, the 90 days notice is another very realistic option for them and they've now got the perfect opportunity to use it!! Why strike over this issue when the new fleet - the real danger, is now being set up as we speak. As usual, we're being led on a strike too soon, and for the wrong reasons. Kept in the dark and fed ****. We should have saved our arguements for now!! I can't believe crew can't see it? BA must be clapping their hands at their good fortune.
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The sheer incompetence of La La is breathtaking (see paras 49-52 for those too busy to read the whole judgment).
Why open your mouth in the first place if you don't know what you're talking about - or why have the position as a Chairman if you don't know the basics?
Surely even the most diehard Bassa member can see that they are backing the wrong horse. Always assuming that they will bother to read it.
TBH - I can't be bothered with some people - they are BASSA indoctrinated - they are completely lost.
In one year they will be regretting for not accepting to working one down - working a bit harder - like everyone else - when they see their work is being much better done by ex temporary crew and crew from BMI and Flyglobespan.
Will Miss Malone be there and look after them? After all - she's responsible for her members losing their jobs - Nope!
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SLF here
Question
Can no-voting and not striking CC staff legally volunteer for more shifts than agreed between BA and the unions in the relevant agreements? Can they legally offer their services up to the maximum EU working hours? (this as a means to further assist BA in keeping it s fleet in the air)
If so have some staff volunteered this? I guess this could in the very least apply to part time staff?
Question
Can no-voting and not striking CC staff legally volunteer for more shifts than agreed between BA and the unions in the relevant agreements? Can they legally offer their services up to the maximum EU working hours? (this as a means to further assist BA in keeping it s fleet in the air)
If so have some staff volunteered this? I guess this could in the very least apply to part time staff?
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Yet more "good news" in civil aviation . . .
Yet another wave of involuntary cabin crew redundancies?? BBC News - Big drop in profits at budget airline Flybe
Or conversely more keen, qualified candidates to replace striking BA CC?
Or conversely more keen, qualified candidates to replace striking BA CC?
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A friend of mine who is a member of CF let me have a look at some of the posts. It seems to be the same old names posting and it's the same old dribble.
It's frightening the utter rubbish that is being fed to people on there.Also rich to claim that they are being bullied by BA when they are posting inappropriate and damaging comments about WW,BF,Scabs and pilots.It's unbelievable and unacceptable behaviour.
It's frightening the utter rubbish that is being fed to people on there.Also rich to claim that they are being bullied by BA when they are posting inappropriate and damaging comments about WW,BF,Scabs and pilots.It's unbelievable and unacceptable behaviour.
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And another thing...
Someone mentioned earlier re the rumour that the first 1000 crew to strike will be sacked. Rumour of course, but if true, yet another brilliant move on BA's part. Sack the first 1000 strikers - it's only 1000 and they've got those crew already on hold waiting for jobs. When that happens, you can bet your bottom dollar that the remaining crew who all need their incomes, will don their uniforms and hiketail in to work before you can say the word 'imposement'. Strike broken. Pay 1000 crew out for unfair dismissal then maybe even put everyone else on 90 days. We know they've got a top set of consultants behind them. What do we have ... BASSA ... 
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A friend of mine who is a member of CF let me have a look at some of the posts. It seems to be the same old names posting and it's the same old dribble.
It's frightening the utter rubbish that is being fed to people on there.Also rich to claim that they are being bullied by BA when they are posting inappropriate and damaging comments about WW,BF,Scabs and pilots.It's unbelievable and unacceptable behaviour.
It's frightening the utter rubbish that is being fed to people on there.Also rich to claim that they are being bullied by BA when they are posting inappropriate and damaging comments about WW,BF,Scabs and pilots.It's unbelievable and unacceptable behaviour.
I suspect these people will be brought to task.