British Airways - CC Industrial Relations Mk V
Disappointingly, cabin crew have already been noted in possession of lists of names of those attending the first temporary/stand-in cabin crew course. These cabin crew really have no valid reason to have this information, and the only conceivable reason they have it must be for nefarious purposes.
The company are on to it, and I suspect the miscreants are likely to lose their jobs. Serve them right.
The company are on to it, and I suspect the miscreants are likely to lose their jobs. Serve them right.
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First of all, BASSA accuse PCCC of being BA managers. Then we receive emails from the LGW BASSA convenor saying "we know who you are". Now they accuse us of enlisting the help of BALPA. And, anyone who refers to PCCC on the BASSA forum will be suspended.
Wrong. On all accounts. We are quite simply a group of cabin crew who have the intelligence and business acumen to understand that if we don't speak out against the destruction BASSA are inflicting on our company, then we may not have a job to protect.
We are cabin crew who like to look after people - particularly our customers. And we do not want to damage their travel plans, at Christmas, at Easter, or whenever BASSA feel fit.
We are cabin crew who can see that the imposition by BA was brought about entirely by the destructive attitude of BASSA.
We are cabin crew who can see that if we don't negotiate fast, New Fleet will be here while BASSA are fighting the wrong battle.
We are cabin crew who can recognise that the Monthly Travel Payment would be an effective way to offset the concerns about New Fleet.
We are cabin crew who can see that a strike is likely to lead to worse T&Cs being imposed on us. (Staff travel, hotels, etc.)
We are cabin crew who can see that actually the new crew complements are not too bad, and they have not affected us personally.
We are cabin crew who can recognise that in the current economic climate, a deal that does not reduce our pay in any way is actually a good one.
We are cabin crew who can recognise that the militant views of the 70s have no place in today's environment.
We are cabin crew who see the need to collaborate with BA, negotiate and work in partnership with them towards a better future for all of us.
The clue is in our name: Professional Cabin Crew Council.
We understand that they may have difficulty with the words Professional and Council. We are bemused as to why they appear to be having such difficulty with the words:
Wrong. On all accounts. We are quite simply a group of cabin crew who have the intelligence and business acumen to understand that if we don't speak out against the destruction BASSA are inflicting on our company, then we may not have a job to protect.
We are cabin crew who like to look after people - particularly our customers. And we do not want to damage their travel plans, at Christmas, at Easter, or whenever BASSA feel fit.
We are cabin crew who can see that the imposition by BA was brought about entirely by the destructive attitude of BASSA.
We are cabin crew who can see that if we don't negotiate fast, New Fleet will be here while BASSA are fighting the wrong battle.
We are cabin crew who can recognise that the Monthly Travel Payment would be an effective way to offset the concerns about New Fleet.
We are cabin crew who can see that a strike is likely to lead to worse T&Cs being imposed on us. (Staff travel, hotels, etc.)
We are cabin crew who can see that actually the new crew complements are not too bad, and they have not affected us personally.
We are cabin crew who can recognise that in the current economic climate, a deal that does not reduce our pay in any way is actually a good one.
We are cabin crew who can recognise that the militant views of the 70s have no place in today's environment.
We are cabin crew who see the need to collaborate with BA, negotiate and work in partnership with them towards a better future for all of us.
The clue is in our name: Professional Cabin Crew Council.
We understand that they may have difficulty with the words Professional and Council. We are bemused as to why they appear to be having such difficulty with the words:
CABIN CREW
Any ideas anyone?
I am BA Cabin Crew and the above represents my own viewpoint and not that of BA.
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Once the number of volunteers through cranbank starts to surpass 700/800/ 1000 + (as I am sure it will) then it starts to become immaterial that their names are collected , disgusting though it is.I am sure this would constitute some sort harrassement or bullying counterclaim.I am also sure BA are onto this and will come down heavily on any SEP trainers maliciously handing the details on.
As far as I am concerned this is now a fight for my own job and I will do anything to help out BA in these dire financial circumstances.I await my course start date at Cranebank and don`t care what the cabin crew think of me.I know I have the rest of the BA employees , 30,000 of them ,behind me.
As far as I am concerned this is now a fight for my own job and I will do anything to help out BA in these dire financial circumstances.I await my course start date at Cranebank and don`t care what the cabin crew think of me.I know I have the rest of the BA employees , 30,000 of them ,behind me.
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Litebulbs,
I can't speak for the PCC but there is no requirement for an employees grouping to be affiliated to the TUC or to become a Union.
Balpa is an association and is not affiliated to the TUC and works very well as it is.
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Their email address is:
[email protected]
I can't speak for the PCC but there is no requirement for an employees grouping to be affiliated to the TUC or to become a Union.
Balpa is an association and is not affiliated to the TUC and works very well as it is.
Blu Rib
Their email address is:
[email protected]
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The union members are Bassa not the reps., without a doubt. The members elect and control the reps.
Without the members there would be no Bassa or reps.
As far a PCCC is concerned, I do not think they actually advertise on the cabin crew Bassa forum. Perhaps someone mentioned them but it would be little else.
The union members are Bassa not the reps., without a doubt. The members elect and control the reps.
Without the members there would be no Bassa or reps.
As far a PCCC is concerned, I do not think they actually advertise on the cabin crew Bassa forum. Perhaps someone mentioned them but it would be little else.
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All true. It will be interesting is BA give voluntary recognition to the PCCC. You would have thought that it would be a sensible political move to do so.
The New Fleet could be negotiated by them and for them.
The New Fleet could be negotiated by them and for them.
Circumlocution
'I didn't want to be TOO pointed!'
Well it was also a bit unfair to the Soviet gentleman as he had a very austere lifestyle, eschewed comfort and leisure, with a life of more or less solid and unstinting work. No commuting, working-from-a-distance , tax efficient lifestyle for him. Mind you he did have several houses - none in LA though.
The analogy with cabin crew doesn't leap out at me: though lots of people lost their jobs and much else under his caring eye.
Well it was also a bit unfair to the Soviet gentleman as he had a very austere lifestyle, eschewed comfort and leisure, with a life of more or less solid and unstinting work. No commuting, working-from-a-distance , tax efficient lifestyle for him. Mind you he did have several houses - none in LA though.
The analogy with cabin crew doesn't leap out at me: though lots of people lost their jobs and much else under his caring eye.
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Kitkat,
Members controlling the leadership? How is it that 90%+ of Bassa members I speak to say that the leadership is a loose cannon that doesn't listen to its members and doesn't want to listen. hey say that they can't do anything about it - they'll just be ignored. Wish I had a pound for every time I've heard sentiment along those lines.
There seems to have been no organised survey of the Bassa membership's views - when was the last union-wide attempt to gain members' views?
Comms are very much in the form of the party line, no taking into account dissenting minority opinion or suggestion, or assessment of their argument's strengths and weaknesses. In fact, all very similar to the 'democratic processes' in place in Saddam's time in Iraq.
(There are some very funny parodies on the Balpa forum of Bassa's statements as they would have been made by Comical Ali. Worth a look )
Bassa seem unresponsive to any view that runs contrary to the leadership's line, and if they think a show of hands at a public mass meeting after rousing speeches in favour of one outcome is an example of a union membership guiding the actions of its leadership, then they have an odd view of democracy in the 21st century.
BTW, the recent anti-Balpa rant is sending yet more pilots to the volunteers list as we speak.
Great strategy Ms Malone, you're just accelerating your demise.
Members controlling the leadership? How is it that 90%+ of Bassa members I speak to say that the leadership is a loose cannon that doesn't listen to its members and doesn't want to listen. hey say that they can't do anything about it - they'll just be ignored. Wish I had a pound for every time I've heard sentiment along those lines.
There seems to have been no organised survey of the Bassa membership's views - when was the last union-wide attempt to gain members' views?
Comms are very much in the form of the party line, no taking into account dissenting minority opinion or suggestion, or assessment of their argument's strengths and weaknesses. In fact, all very similar to the 'democratic processes' in place in Saddam's time in Iraq.
(There are some very funny parodies on the Balpa forum of Bassa's statements as they would have been made by Comical Ali. Worth a look
)Bassa seem unresponsive to any view that runs contrary to the leadership's line, and if they think a show of hands at a public mass meeting after rousing speeches in favour of one outcome is an example of a union membership guiding the actions of its leadership, then they have an odd view of democracy in the 21st century.
BTW, the recent anti-Balpa rant is sending yet more pilots to the volunteers list as we speak.
Great strategy Ms Malone, you're just accelerating your demise.
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This is just sad...
BASSA's statements about the..... "shadowy PCCC"
Is someone not doing their homework. I've read these threads, listened to arguments pro and con...but truly...
Ms. Malone. As a customer, simply one of the SLF's you seem to disdain, I know that I could email or message any individual associated with PCCC (heaven knows they have given lots of invitations on this board, unlike your "not for the public eyes" arena) and receive information regarding what they hope to do, their goals, and their present status.
There is nothing mysterious, nothing worthy of James Bond. It is simply a group of individuals that see progress coming from a message of reasonable negotiation, rather than supporting individuals who have cost their members thousands of pounds because they can't do a vote properly, look only to their Union, rather than the members they are supposed to be supporting...and tell Pilots to "Foxtrot Oscar".
I will now finish my second cocktail...but truly..I'm up here in Cumbria, not a Crew member, and PCCC seems to be much less a mystery to me compared to your organization.
Can someone do their homework?
Is someone not doing their homework. I've read these threads, listened to arguments pro and con...but truly...
Ms. Malone. As a customer, simply one of the SLF's you seem to disdain, I know that I could email or message any individual associated with PCCC (heaven knows they have given lots of invitations on this board, unlike your "not for the public eyes" arena) and receive information regarding what they hope to do, their goals, and their present status.
There is nothing mysterious, nothing worthy of James Bond. It is simply a group of individuals that see progress coming from a message of reasonable negotiation, rather than supporting individuals who have cost their members thousands of pounds because they can't do a vote properly, look only to their Union, rather than the members they are supposed to be supporting...and tell Pilots to "Foxtrot Oscar".
I will now finish my second cocktail...but truly..I'm up here in Cumbria, not a Crew member, and PCCC seems to be much less a mystery to me compared to your organization.
Can someone do their homework?
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Balpa is listed on the TUC web site and they have spoken at the TUC conference. This does not prove they are affiliated or not though.
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Hi Kitkat,
From the Balpa website -
BALPA - History of BALPA
and
BALPA - BALPA LIFTS THE MOOD AT TUC CONFERENCE
Balpa appears to be a very active and well respected part of the TUC.
From the Balpa website -
BALPA - History of BALPA
and
BALPA - BALPA LIFTS THE MOOD AT TUC CONFERENCE
Balpa appears to be a very active and well respected part of the TUC.