British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
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To many BA Cabin Crew,
You are a silly bunch,
Go on strike and have your break,
While EZ have you for lunch.
Or Ryanair, or Lufthansa, or Air France..........
Time's up for the antediluvians that pretend to provide customer service at BA. The world needs good workers for a proper airline, not an elderly overpaid and lazy bunch of slackers who believe they spearhead "the world's favourite airline".
I feel sorry for the pilots, the engineers, and all the peripheral service folk who will be badly affected by the selfish actions of the BA Cabin Crew.
You are a silly bunch,
Go on strike and have your break,
While EZ have you for lunch.
Or Ryanair, or Lufthansa, or Air France..........
Time's up for the antediluvians that pretend to provide customer service at BA. The world needs good workers for a proper airline, not an elderly overpaid and lazy bunch of slackers who believe they spearhead "the world's favourite airline".
I feel sorry for the pilots, the engineers, and all the peripheral service folk who will be badly affected by the selfish actions of the BA Cabin Crew.
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Judging by the people I have met, this whole episode has made CC more united. They may not get the same result but I think the message will still be loud and strong.
Look, most people here know this isn't going to happen, but is it this simple, is this Unite's aim ( not BASSA's, BASSA haven't got a clue)?
Damage BA's finances to the point where it will have be re-nationalised and the tax payer will pick up the bill for Cabin Crew T&Cs? Because I can see no other logic in BASSA/Unite's stance.
Damage BA's finances to the point where it will have be re-nationalised and the tax payer will pick up the bill for Cabin Crew T&Cs? Because I can see no other logic in BASSA/Unite's stance.
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I feel sorry for the pilots who have to work on the same aircraft as these over paid and under worked catering staff who are trying their hardest to lead BA to bankruptcy.
Not sure how I would feel if I was a pilot under the present circumstances knowing that the staff behind the flight deck door did not care whether or not I was made unemployed through their pathetic attempts to achieve a minor victory over Mr Walsh.
Not sure how I would feel if I was a pilot under the present circumstances knowing that the staff behind the flight deck door did not care whether or not I was made unemployed through their pathetic attempts to achieve a minor victory over Mr Walsh.
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Originally Posted by wiggy
but is it this simple, is this Unite's aim ( not BASSA's, BASSA haven't got a clue)?
Unite issued a statement that they would re-ballot if the new talks failed, but I think Bassa then trumped them the statement to re-ballot at the start of next year regardless.
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Balpa preceded with the action after receiving legal advice from a number of people including Bassa's current QC.
Balpa seeking advise from BASSA QC?
I find that a bit hard to believe...........
BA was opening a new company outside the UK. I would have thought the least BALPA could have done, would've been looking up a few European laws...don't you think so?
I guess what I am trying to say is that both unions are good unions, but sadly, both were caught by small techinicality.
While CC may have had an illegal ballot, pilots were prepared to strike on something totally legal.
Balpa seeking advise from BASSA QC?
I find that a bit hard to believe...........
BA was opening a new company outside the UK. I would have thought the least BALPA could have done, would've been looking up a few European laws...don't you think so?
I guess what I am trying to say is that both unions are good unions, but sadly, both were caught by small techinicality.
While CC may have had an illegal ballot, pilots were prepared to strike on something totally legal.
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I do respect all cabin crew for the job they do .I think that they have to have great customer service skills to put up with some of the things they encounter on a daily basis.
Why is that some and i say some BA cabin crew think that they can't be replaced by a much better and not to mention cheaper option .
Flyglobspan cabin crew would love the chance to start up New Fleet.Direct entry SCCM already qualified to do the role .It has been done before in BA and not so long ago .When i was based at MAN we flew with BAR cabin Crew from GLA. All of the seniors were brought in from charters to start up and operate the GLA/JFK service. It worked very well perhaps WW should think of this option.
Why is that some and i say some BA cabin crew think that they can't be replaced by a much better and not to mention cheaper option .
Flyglobspan cabin crew would love the chance to start up New Fleet.Direct entry SCCM already qualified to do the role .It has been done before in BA and not so long ago .When i was based at MAN we flew with BAR cabin Crew from GLA. All of the seniors were brought in from charters to start up and operate the GLA/JFK service. It worked very well perhaps WW should think of this option.
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Balpa seeking advise from BASSA QC?
I find that a bit hard to believe...........
I find that a bit hard to believe...........
I would have thought the least BALPA could have done, would've been looking up a few European laws...don't you think so?
were caught by small techinicality
both unions are good unions
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You should have heard some of the BASSA militants today, they were saying 'oh well, we couldn't go on strike to stuff BA, but don't worry, the snow will!' after learning some of the flights were cancelled this morning.
I guess that's what you would expect from the Ignoramus BASSA Bunch!
The look on the faces of some of the crew this morning was as if someone in the family had died, unbelievable! One of my crew even went so far as to say BA is loaded, we have stacks of money to which I replied ' Is that why the 3.7 billion pension deficit was announced?'
I guess that's what you would expect from the Ignoramus BASSA Bunch!
The look on the faces of some of the crew this morning was as if someone in the family had died, unbelievable! One of my crew even went so far as to say BA is loaded, we have stacks of money to which I replied ' Is that why the 3.7 billion pension deficit was announced?'
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Ok... I have over £1,500 worth of bookings with BA in mid-February 2010. Judging by the timescales quoted on this forum it is quite possible the next ballot, if it occurs, will result in IA about the time we fly.
Do I cancel my booking with BA?
They are the only outfit flying London to Denver direct in 9 hrs 50 mins. The alternative is a one change flight taking over 13 hrs each way.
For an 8 day holiday should we risk it with BA or loose holiday time by changing to another airline?
Do I cancel my booking with BA?
They are the only outfit flying London to Denver direct in 9 hrs 50 mins. The alternative is a one change flight taking over 13 hrs each way.
For an 8 day holiday should we risk it with BA or loose holiday time by changing to another airline?
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Romans44,
Please.
Why do we have to go off on a tangent again. Don't BASSA know how to discuss their own union?
The one that pays little interest in the dire straits in which the company is functioning, because "United we stand".
The one that ignores their own employer warning them about flaws in their ballot which could expose the union and its employees to legal action because "United we stand".
The one that actually praises the stupid woman that made most of the mess they put themselves in because "United we stand".
I can't think of anything else. All I can think of is a bunch of ignorant, misled, universally unpopular screaming moronic scum at a meeting at Sandown, cheering the opportunity to gnaw off the hundreds of thousands of hands that feed them, because "United we stand".
Well good luck with that.
"Ridiculous you stand" is how everyone else perceives it.
Please.
Balpa seeking advise from BASSA QC?
I find that a bit hard to believe...........
BA was opening a new company outside the UK. I would have thought the least BALPA could have done, would've been looking up a few European laws...don't you think so?
I guess what I am trying to say is that both unions are good unions, but sadly, both were caught by small techinicality.
While CC may have had an illegal ballot, pilots were prepared to strike on something totally legal.
I find that a bit hard to believe...........
BA was opening a new company outside the UK. I would have thought the least BALPA could have done, would've been looking up a few European laws...don't you think so?
I guess what I am trying to say is that both unions are good unions, but sadly, both were caught by small techinicality.
While CC may have had an illegal ballot, pilots were prepared to strike on something totally legal.
The one that pays little interest in the dire straits in which the company is functioning, because "United we stand".
The one that ignores their own employer warning them about flaws in their ballot which could expose the union and its employees to legal action because "United we stand".
The one that actually praises the stupid woman that made most of the mess they put themselves in because "United we stand".
I can't think of anything else. All I can think of is a bunch of ignorant, misled, universally unpopular screaming moronic scum at a meeting at Sandown, cheering the opportunity to gnaw off the hundreds of thousands of hands that feed them, because "United we stand".
Well good luck with that.
"Ridiculous you stand" is how everyone else perceives it.
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Weather Map,
The most difficult thing is that you don't have anyone sharing the same view to talk to. Thank goodness for my flight crew colleagues and even then, one has to be discreet as you can't be seen to be discussing anything pro BA. Just sad, isn't it?
The most difficult thing is that you don't have anyone sharing the same view to talk to. Thank goodness for my flight crew colleagues and even then, one has to be discreet as you can't be seen to be discussing anything pro BA. Just sad, isn't it?
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Are BASSA subs 15 pounds per month whether you are an old contract CSD or the most recent, junior CC? Isn't this just another case of the fat cats exploiting the workers? I believe BALPA subs are a % of salary so everyone pays their fair share.
Apologies to GG, Tiramasu et al and the 8% who voted no. It is difficult not to generalise, but the point has been made many times on this forum that BASSA seems to be run for the benefit of old contract CSDs.
Regards
Apologies to GG, Tiramasu et al and the 8% who voted no. It is difficult not to generalise, but the point has been made many times on this forum that BASSA seems to be run for the benefit of old contract CSDs.
Regards
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As you are so totally dissatisfied & disillusioned by your employment by BA, why don't you go & apply for a job with FlyGlobesSpan? I'm sure they'll welcome you with waving P45s!
You'll be glad to know I'll be off line for the next 4 weeks. Maybe by then Bassa might have woken up to the reality of the economic climate.
You'll be glad to know I'll be off line for the next 4 weeks. Maybe by then Bassa might have woken up to the reality of the economic climate.
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Binsleepen,
Don't have to apologise, I completely understand. I'm an old contract CSD but the BASSA old contract CSDs are even more old contract than me, some of them having flown for 35 to 40 years!
Don't have to apologise, I completely understand. I'm an old contract CSD but the BASSA old contract CSDs are even more old contract than me, some of them having flown for 35 to 40 years!
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Now i have asked that before and guess what never had an answer.So i assume that the crew on the new contract pay the same to BASSA as the crew on the old contract. Total rip off or what.
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Not sure that's a good idea, Tiramisu. Apparently, it's the nasty pilots' fault that all this has happened anyway....
BASSA rule no.1: "Never let the facts, or logic, stand in the way of your argument."
Probably why they got trashed in court; the rest of the human (I use that term loosely) race work to different rules.
BASSA rule no.1: "Never let the facts, or logic, stand in the way of your argument."
Probably why they got trashed in court; the rest of the human (I use that term loosely) race work to different rules.