British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: uk
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well Carnage, it appears your flight from DEL with two cabin crew down, didn't go quite as "clockwork" as you suggested. I know the CSD.
It is a mystery where you as Flight Crew get your detailed information from about GPM's. but it appears what you don't know you just make up. GPM's are hardly showing an improvement in cabin service as you have stated, the evidence is that 5 plus CSD's have been suspended for apologising over a reduced quality of service. It will take time for passengers to vote with their feet over the reduction in service via the imposed crew levels. Hopefully those mnagers who have made these decisions will still be around to take responsibility for their actions.
In the past the First cabins were closed and passengers downgraded into Club. The crew complement on a 747 was reduced by three. The problem for cabin crew was that pilots would insist their loved ones should sit in these empty cabins, which caused a lot of friction with passengers who could not understand why they could not be there, but staff of flight crew could. The reason First cabins have not been closed this time is to perpetuate the false premise, that the current downturn is not temporary. The facts are that BA is expected to break even in 2010/11 and back in profit by the following financial year according to UBS.
What can't be explained here is that Walsh boosted the pay of Aer Lingus pilots as an IALPA negotiator, so that some senior pilots are currently on over Euros 300,000 a year, yet when he became CEO a few years later, he was locking them out. I do not put my faith or trust in someone like that.
Employees who enjoy the benefits of "legacy" pay will soon find the heat turned on them.
It is a mystery where you as Flight Crew get your detailed information from about GPM's. but it appears what you don't know you just make up. GPM's are hardly showing an improvement in cabin service as you have stated, the evidence is that 5 plus CSD's have been suspended for apologising over a reduced quality of service. It will take time for passengers to vote with their feet over the reduction in service via the imposed crew levels. Hopefully those mnagers who have made these decisions will still be around to take responsibility for their actions.
In the past the First cabins were closed and passengers downgraded into Club. The crew complement on a 747 was reduced by three. The problem for cabin crew was that pilots would insist their loved ones should sit in these empty cabins, which caused a lot of friction with passengers who could not understand why they could not be there, but staff of flight crew could. The reason First cabins have not been closed this time is to perpetuate the false premise, that the current downturn is not temporary. The facts are that BA is expected to break even in 2010/11 and back in profit by the following financial year according to UBS.
What can't be explained here is that Walsh boosted the pay of Aer Lingus pilots as an IALPA negotiator, so that some senior pilots are currently on over Euros 300,000 a year, yet when he became CEO a few years later, he was locking them out. I do not put my faith or trust in someone like that.
Employees who enjoy the benefits of "legacy" pay will soon find the heat turned on them.
Last edited by Fume Event; 11th Dec 2009 at 18:24.
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 457
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fume,
Expected by whom? The same people that offered "huge savings"? The ones you still can't detail here, because they don't exist?
In which case this has no credibility whatsoever.
A source please, otherwise we can safely assume that this is just more BASSA bunk.
The facts are that BA is expected to break even in 2010/11 and back in profit by the following financial year.
In which case this has no credibility whatsoever.
A source please, otherwise we can safely assume that this is just more BASSA bunk.
Fume
"The problem for cabin crew was that pilots would insist their loved ones should sit in these empty cabins, which caused a lot of friction with passengers who could not understand why they could not be there, but staff of flight crew could"
Fume you really can't help but have a BASSAesque swipe at Flight Crew at every opportunity can you? Was there never ever an instance of Cabin Crew insisting that their loved ones should sit in these empty Cabins?
Was there never ever an instance of the operating Cabin Crew wanting to use these empty cabins for Crew Rest?
Fume you really can't help but have a BASSAesque swipe at Flight Crew at every opportunity can you? Was there never ever an instance of Cabin Crew insisting that their loved ones should sit in these empty Cabins?
Was there never ever an instance of the operating Cabin Crew wanting to use these empty cabins for Crew Rest?
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Dublin
Age: 65
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fume #4495
Firstly, I do love your rants against WW. Not sure what he's ever done to you personally, but I can almost imagine you chucking darts at a photo of his head or something.
However, you've still never come back with any names of who you would like to nominate as his replacement, and why you think any such person would be more sympathetic to your position than is Walsh. There are two other airlines, based close to BA, both of which have announced compulsory redundancies recently. So far WW has avoided this. One of the two, Aer Lingus, proposes cutting its entire workforce by 25%. The equivalent for BA would be about 10,000 jobs, I believe. There is quite a distance between BA's proposals and Aer Lingus' actual actions. So I hope you'll understand why those of us non-resident in the BA bubble find it hard to appreciate the somewhat personal nature of the dispute as some BA staff appear to view it. I have yet to be convinced by anyone that WW is not your least bad option. I do accept there are no good options in current circumstances.
Turning to your specific comments on WW and his time at Aer Lingus. He left Aer Lingus because the Irish government, then the 100% shareholder, would not support the kind of changes he now wants to make at BA. He wanted to cut costs, increase productivity and then expand the fleet. His actions at BA are entirely consistent with his Aer Lingus proposals. Aer Lingus finds itself on the verge of insolvency now simply because its post-WW management has been as unsuccessful as WW in getting the Irish government (now a 25% shareholder) to stand up to its Union friends. You can view this as Union success if you want but, ultimately, if it's unaffordable it has but one consequence: redundancy. We've reached the point in Ireland now where the government quite literally has no money to buy off the Unions.
Finally, just a couple of points on imposition. Aer Lingus is imposing pay cuts, working practices changes, compulsory redundancy: the works basically. You may or may not be aware that the General Secretary of the ICTU (Irish equivalent of the TUC) sits on the Board of Aer Lingus as a government appointee. He has endorsed the changes being imposed by Mueller. You may also not be aware that IALPA has said that it will not strike, even if it cannot reach an agreement with Aer Lingus, a somewhat different position to your Union with BA, I think.
You may also not be aware that in Wednesday's Irish Budget, the government IMPOSED a pay cut on every public sector worker in the country, ranging from 6% for those earning under €30,000 up to 15% for the highest paid. Government ministers are taking a 20% cut. That is on top of a 3% pension levy imposed earlier in the year in the public sector, essentially requiring larger contributions for the same pension entitlement. In the Budget, pension entitlements were cut, so it's actually a 3% levy for a lower entitlement.
I hope the above gives you an insight into the challenges facing large numbers of people outside the BA bubble, many of whom work (though not for much longer) in competing airlines. Viewed from the outside, BA's proposals look remarkable benign in comparison with the sacrifices being requested of, or indeed imposed on, others.
However, you've still never come back with any names of who you would like to nominate as his replacement, and why you think any such person would be more sympathetic to your position than is Walsh. There are two other airlines, based close to BA, both of which have announced compulsory redundancies recently. So far WW has avoided this. One of the two, Aer Lingus, proposes cutting its entire workforce by 25%. The equivalent for BA would be about 10,000 jobs, I believe. There is quite a distance between BA's proposals and Aer Lingus' actual actions. So I hope you'll understand why those of us non-resident in the BA bubble find it hard to appreciate the somewhat personal nature of the dispute as some BA staff appear to view it. I have yet to be convinced by anyone that WW is not your least bad option. I do accept there are no good options in current circumstances.
Turning to your specific comments on WW and his time at Aer Lingus. He left Aer Lingus because the Irish government, then the 100% shareholder, would not support the kind of changes he now wants to make at BA. He wanted to cut costs, increase productivity and then expand the fleet. His actions at BA are entirely consistent with his Aer Lingus proposals. Aer Lingus finds itself on the verge of insolvency now simply because its post-WW management has been as unsuccessful as WW in getting the Irish government (now a 25% shareholder) to stand up to its Union friends. You can view this as Union success if you want but, ultimately, if it's unaffordable it has but one consequence: redundancy. We've reached the point in Ireland now where the government quite literally has no money to buy off the Unions.
Finally, just a couple of points on imposition. Aer Lingus is imposing pay cuts, working practices changes, compulsory redundancy: the works basically. You may or may not be aware that the General Secretary of the ICTU (Irish equivalent of the TUC) sits on the Board of Aer Lingus as a government appointee. He has endorsed the changes being imposed by Mueller. You may also not be aware that IALPA has said that it will not strike, even if it cannot reach an agreement with Aer Lingus, a somewhat different position to your Union with BA, I think.
You may also not be aware that in Wednesday's Irish Budget, the government IMPOSED a pay cut on every public sector worker in the country, ranging from 6% for those earning under €30,000 up to 15% for the highest paid. Government ministers are taking a 20% cut. That is on top of a 3% pension levy imposed earlier in the year in the public sector, essentially requiring larger contributions for the same pension entitlement. In the Budget, pension entitlements were cut, so it's actually a 3% levy for a lower entitlement.
I hope the above gives you an insight into the challenges facing large numbers of people outside the BA bubble, many of whom work (though not for much longer) in competing airlines. Viewed from the outside, BA's proposals look remarkable benign in comparison with the sacrifices being requested of, or indeed imposed on, others.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: England
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Monday and CEO's
All this stuff about Monday, all that's going to happen on Monday is that the gloves are off. I think the vote will be in favour, by how much is pure speculation.
Putting your money where your tick is may be very different.
As for personal comments about CEO's etc.
They have a job to do, like we do. They have legal responsibilities to a vast number of different groups inc. employees. They have to ultimately ensure the prosperity of the business they run and if it means making tough choices so be it, as long as they are fair in the process. There's debate around that, but I believe the company is being fair.
Incidently, there are many examples of union reps joining the management of the company they are in and having to manage through change, nothing new.
Putting your money where your tick is may be very different.
As for personal comments about CEO's etc.
They have a job to do, like we do. They have legal responsibilities to a vast number of different groups inc. employees. They have to ultimately ensure the prosperity of the business they run and if it means making tough choices so be it, as long as they are fair in the process. There's debate around that, but I believe the company is being fair.
Incidently, there are many examples of union reps joining the management of the company they are in and having to manage through change, nothing new.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Finland
Age: 77
Posts: 465
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think it's wonderful that we are all discussing all these red herrings but some of the more strident (if that's the right word) posters seem to have neglected the real arguement.
How do the BASSA supporters think this is going to move on.
Most keep telling me what is wrong but no one seems to offer a way forward.
At least BA, by imposition which you may not like, have moved the arguement forward.
It may, or may not, end their (BA) way but end it will and the management can get back to running an airline and not industrial unrest.
How do the BASSA supporters think this is going to move on.
Most keep telling me what is wrong but no one seems to offer a way forward.
At least BA, by imposition which you may not like, have moved the arguement forward.
It may, or may not, end their (BA) way but end it will and the management can get back to running an airline and not industrial unrest.
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: england
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I really can't believe that I'm being drawn into this, but Fume Event, really...
And any passengers who were actually prepared to pay the extra £4K to sit in that seat are refunded the difference with the club fare and are still royally p*ssed off. Money out the business and goodwill lost. I wonder why WW rejected this option?
Where did you hear this? I have heard no such guidance. What I have heard is the £400 loss last year, and predicted £700m loss this year. £1bn in 2 years.... I wonder why BA wants to cut costs....
As for lack of service, it will only be poor if the crew are lazy. Pure and simple. Gatwick crew have proved the numbers work, regularly get better GPMs than Heathrow and do it all for less money.
Wake up and accept that this 'imposition' is a fair deal. Willie won't back down - he can't. There are 50 ageing jumbos to replace which the city won't stump up the cash for unless costs are cut.
Strike, and he will want (and need to get) a lot more. Good luck down the job centre with the bmi, Virgin and XL crew who are used to working a lot harder for a lot less.
In the past the First cabins were closed and passengers downgraded into Club. The crew complement on a 747 was reduced by three.
The facts are that BA is expected to break even in 2010/11 and back in profit by the following financial year.
As for lack of service, it will only be poor if the crew are lazy. Pure and simple. Gatwick crew have proved the numbers work, regularly get better GPMs than Heathrow and do it all for less money.
Wake up and accept that this 'imposition' is a fair deal. Willie won't back down - he can't. There are 50 ageing jumbos to replace which the city won't stump up the cash for unless costs are cut.
Strike, and he will want (and need to get) a lot more. Good luck down the job centre with the bmi, Virgin and XL crew who are used to working a lot harder for a lot less.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: uk
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
JayPee, you put a interesting gloss on WW's tenure as CEO of Aer Lingus. YOu are quite right to state that the Irish government would not support the changes he wanted to make at the carrier.
It has become a sort of folklore now whether Bertie Ahern did actually accuse WW of "attempting to steal state assets", when Walsh proposed a management buyout of Aer Lingus. So far the Irish government has done everything it can to block a takeover of the carrier by RyanAir. But why did WW put Aer Lingus into the low cost model in the first place, if he did not anticipate that happening?
It is well known at that time Aer Lingus had huge cash reserves, which bascially was the airlines only value. Aer Lingus was never going to survive in the same pond as RyanAir, so it seems that if the management buyout led by Walsh had gone ahead, a few people would have made a lot of money.
Far from British Airways being made lean and mean to survive the recession, the airline is being gutted like a kipper. The heart is being torn out of the carrier and what is left manned by a demoralised workforce, will be deeply unattractive to anyone who previously aspired to travel with the airline. Like Aer Lingus, BA is being set on a road to ruin. Apart from nonsensical distractions lke the LCY/JFK route, the airline is being stripped down and demolished like an old cruise liner on Alang beach, India.
The forthcoming strike will be successful as most crew see no future in the airline. They have nothing to lose. The future if the imposition sticks is no promotion, less pay, inferior T&C's...basically a dead end job. Walsh has guaranteed a huge YES vote and a high turnout. He has completely mismanaged the situation, but will he dodge the bullet yet again as he did with the T5 fiasco? I guess a couple of directors are already being lined up as sacrificial lambs. Wait and see on Monday, no one from BA management will want to talk to the Press. Willie will be on his own.
It has become a sort of folklore now whether Bertie Ahern did actually accuse WW of "attempting to steal state assets", when Walsh proposed a management buyout of Aer Lingus. So far the Irish government has done everything it can to block a takeover of the carrier by RyanAir. But why did WW put Aer Lingus into the low cost model in the first place, if he did not anticipate that happening?
It is well known at that time Aer Lingus had huge cash reserves, which bascially was the airlines only value. Aer Lingus was never going to survive in the same pond as RyanAir, so it seems that if the management buyout led by Walsh had gone ahead, a few people would have made a lot of money.
Far from British Airways being made lean and mean to survive the recession, the airline is being gutted like a kipper. The heart is being torn out of the carrier and what is left manned by a demoralised workforce, will be deeply unattractive to anyone who previously aspired to travel with the airline. Like Aer Lingus, BA is being set on a road to ruin. Apart from nonsensical distractions lke the LCY/JFK route, the airline is being stripped down and demolished like an old cruise liner on Alang beach, India.
The forthcoming strike will be successful as most crew see no future in the airline. They have nothing to lose. The future if the imposition sticks is no promotion, less pay, inferior T&C's...basically a dead end job. Walsh has guaranteed a huge YES vote and a high turnout. He has completely mismanaged the situation, but will he dodge the bullet yet again as he did with the T5 fiasco? I guess a couple of directors are already being lined up as sacrificial lambs. Wait and see on Monday, no one from BA management will want to talk to the Press. Willie will be on his own.
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bahrain
Posts: 457
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Who cares about Monday? The usual suspects will invite Sky and BBC to report their cheering and clapping horde of adoring supporters. Then they'll usher the press out so they can come out with nonsense such as BA bursting back into profit and BASSA offering 175 million in savings and maybe report that they are going for IA.
It really doesn't mean anything. What matters is what happens when BA finish off the job they've started. There will be no BASSA moss on this BA stone I fear.
It really doesn't mean anything. What matters is what happens when BA finish off the job they've started. There will be no BASSA moss on this BA stone I fear.
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 289
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
But Fume,
You seem to misunderstand the link between the ballot result and the intention to strike.
Most people believe there will be a Yes vote, (it's easy to put a cross in a box and post it, especially when your reps tell you that's all that's needed to scare BA into accepting Bassa's terms), but few think there will be a meaningful strike. In fact, WW thinks very few will actually strike, and I've heard that from him personally.
As for your CSD friend who struggled to cope with working in the cabin and deal with issues during the flight, perhaps he/she could ask her manager for the support (training or demotion) that he/she obviously needs.
I have never seen a First cabin being used for the sole use of flight crew family members - if it were, then I can assure you our managers would drop on the offenders in an instant, and we would be made fully aware of the incident. We know that such actions are illegal. In short, I don't believe you. What I have seen is cabin crew using a locked out first cabin that was closed because Bassa insisted there were insufficient crew to operate the flight normally. Again illegal.
If passengers don't like the reduced product, they will tell the company, or won't come back. That will become apparent. Your job is solely to present the product in the best possible way, without any hint that you don't like offering the reduced product, and without apologising in advance for your perceived shortcomings in what you offer.
Managers' job - Decide on the product
Your job - Serve that product as well as you can.
Not your job - decide if the product is good enough and inform the passengers of your opinion.
You don't have faith in someone who does an outstanding job in improving pilots' pay, and then when offered a management job does a great job in limiting pilots' remuneration? So you don't like barristers who prosecute criminals in the morning, then defend them in the afternoon? It's called being good at your job.
Keep posting, you're doing a great job of demonstrating the deluded ideas you and your Bassa leadership colleagues have conjured up to try and save your ivory-towered positions.
You seem to misunderstand the link between the ballot result and the intention to strike.
Most people believe there will be a Yes vote, (it's easy to put a cross in a box and post it, especially when your reps tell you that's all that's needed to scare BA into accepting Bassa's terms), but few think there will be a meaningful strike. In fact, WW thinks very few will actually strike, and I've heard that from him personally.
As for your CSD friend who struggled to cope with working in the cabin and deal with issues during the flight, perhaps he/she could ask her manager for the support (training or demotion) that he/she obviously needs.
I have never seen a First cabin being used for the sole use of flight crew family members - if it were, then I can assure you our managers would drop on the offenders in an instant, and we would be made fully aware of the incident. We know that such actions are illegal. In short, I don't believe you. What I have seen is cabin crew using a locked out first cabin that was closed because Bassa insisted there were insufficient crew to operate the flight normally. Again illegal.
If passengers don't like the reduced product, they will tell the company, or won't come back. That will become apparent. Your job is solely to present the product in the best possible way, without any hint that you don't like offering the reduced product, and without apologising in advance for your perceived shortcomings in what you offer.
Managers' job - Decide on the product
Your job - Serve that product as well as you can.
Not your job - decide if the product is good enough and inform the passengers of your opinion.
You don't have faith in someone who does an outstanding job in improving pilots' pay, and then when offered a management job does a great job in limiting pilots' remuneration? So you don't like barristers who prosecute criminals in the morning, then defend them in the afternoon? It's called being good at your job.
Keep posting, you're doing a great job of demonstrating the deluded ideas you and your Bassa leadership colleagues have conjured up to try and save your ivory-towered positions.
Fume Event,
You have spent some time on this thread prophesising about what would or wouldn't happen. Can you help me out with some of this stuff,please, as the track record isn't looking too good .....
Finance
You have stated similar before:
So, for research purposes, could you please show/tell us where these alleged facts can be found, please. Negative profit? Are you for real?
Imposition
On 13th November you seemed a little less sure that there would be no imposition by saying:
Well, despite your pretty equivocal assurances, the imposition did happen! Can you explain that? And where is the disaster predicted by your privately-spoken-to managers? Any strike in the meantime will only weaken already shaky ground that BASSA/Unite are standing on for that pending court case. Can you explain that too?
You're giving up?
Ballot
Well, not long to wait now -are you still confident? Will a 95% vote from a minority of voters count as a massive victory? 
Merger with Iberia
Well, Iberia have done quite well out of the eventual deal, if you consider how much of the combined company they get. And just today the boss of Iberia has been appointed a non-executive director of BA, so he has done very well, hasn't he? Do you think Iberia were really worried about BA's apparent "pariah" status?
And Finally .....
So, this intelligence and elegance ....... are we going to see any soon? Because soon is when its needed..... if its going to come at all.
You have spent some time on this thread prophesising about what would or wouldn't happen. Can you help me out with some of this stuff,please, as the track record isn't looking too good .....
Finance
The facts are that BA is expected to break even in 2010/11 and back in profit by the following financial year.
BA didn't make a 'loss' last year, it was just in negative profit. Positive profit returns in 2011.
As BA exits its negative profit strategy in 2011 ....
Imposition
I can tell you now with absolute certainty and clarity, that if BA take on the cabin crew, they will lose. The unions will never allow this imposition to happen and the whole airline will grind to a halt as the dispute escalates.
Now BA are really in a corner. They are in the unenviable position of trying to shaft us and at the same time wanting us to make their impositions work. Well it aint goner happen.
He chose to impose on the 16th November and from managers I have spoken to privately, they expect it to be a disaster.
The future if the imposition sticks is no promotion, less pay, inferior T&C's...basically a dead end job.
Ballot
Walsh is not calling the shots now, the cabin crew are. It is their ballot and if there is a YES vote, THEY will decide how long the shutdown will be, NOT Walsh.
My prediction is, and I will be back after the 14th to remind you all, is that the YES vote will be more than 95% again.
The return will be higher than 2007 with a vote in favour in excess of 95%.
Merger with Iberia
..... Walsh has had very little success closing the deal with IBERIA.
Why would Iberia want to merge with a company that has become a pariah in the way it treats its staff?
And Finally .....
BA's cabin crew through the intelligent use of IA combined with a legal challenge, will find an elegant solution to their dispute with the company.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Surrey
Posts: 471
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
'Bang head wall' springs to mind
At an 'In-Touch' day today, a Senior Manager read out an email received from BASSA/Unite to BA today, stating they would not be engaging in further talks with the company.
BA as a matter of interest, are making and do have contingency plans.
There are many of my colleagues who will come to work. We will not let BA down.
BA as a matter of interest, are making and do have contingency plans.
There are many of my colleagues who will come to work. We will not let BA down.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: uk
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You are not letting BA down Tiramisu, you are letting down thousands of your colleagues, who you will have to work with after the dispute has settled. Only that you will unfortunately benefit from the result having done your best to undermine the outcome.
If the dispute is lost, you will also suffer the consequences. For you it is a lose-lose situation.
If the dispute is lost, you will also suffer the consequences. For you it is a lose-lose situation.
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: England
Posts: 114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fume Event
We've already had that discussion a few days ago. I think it's quite the reverse, it all depends on your personal view.
I know yours, I disagree. I hold a completely different view to you as do many other people, WHY?
I know yours, I disagree. I hold a completely different view to you as do many other people, WHY?
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Surrey
Posts: 471
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Fume Event,
I accept the changes in the present climate we find ourselves in.
What BASSA was proposing was everything I was against, so in no way am I letting my colleagues down. My conscience is clear.
I voted NO to strike action and hence accept BF's reasonable proposals. I cannot see how I am letting my colleagues down just because we have a difference of opinion.
Since the 1st of December, I have worked with the reduced crew compliments on Eurofleet and to be fair it's a much better matrix now, no one has really been affected on my flights, neither the service and passengers, or the crew.
With the reduced service, the decline in premium travel and more crew on board previously, we've been standing around twiddling our thumbs doing nothing for far too long, a complete waste of resources.
Can you please explain BASSA's refusal to engage with BA?
I accept the changes in the present climate we find ourselves in.
What BASSA was proposing was everything I was against, so in no way am I letting my colleagues down. My conscience is clear.
I voted NO to strike action and hence accept BF's reasonable proposals. I cannot see how I am letting my colleagues down just because we have a difference of opinion.
Since the 1st of December, I have worked with the reduced crew compliments on Eurofleet and to be fair it's a much better matrix now, no one has really been affected on my flights, neither the service and passengers, or the crew.
With the reduced service, the decline in premium travel and more crew on board previously, we've been standing around twiddling our thumbs doing nothing for far too long, a complete waste of resources.
Can you please explain BASSA's refusal to engage with BA?
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SALISBURY
Age: 77
Posts: 706
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Tiramisu
Your erudite colleague FE says:
What a load of Horlicks.
What you are doing is supporting your loyal pax & shareholders who provde the funds to pay your excellent salaries. You are also supporting the vast majority of other BA employees who have already negotiated changes to their T&Cs. Keep up the good work. It's you & your LOYAL fellow workers who put the GREAT into Great Britain.
You are not letting BA down Tiramisu, you are letting down thousands of your colleagues
What you are doing is supporting your loyal pax & shareholders who provde the funds to pay your excellent salaries. You are also supporting the vast majority of other BA employees who have already negotiated changes to their T&Cs. Keep up the good work. It's you & your LOYAL fellow workers who put the GREAT into Great Britain.
Last edited by fincastle84; 12th Dec 2009 at 05:55. Reason: sp.