British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations

[Glamgirl]

Clarified,

Thanks for that. Just remember you're not alone. Some people will try to make you change your mind (happens everywhere) and some people don't have respect for others (again, happens everywhere). I personally believe if you are informed and up to date on things, you can make a decision as to where you stand.

Gg

[Clarified]

re. Kaput!

I heard that one in 1997.

[bar none]

A LURKER

You would normally be entirely correct about people not supporting the union, but happily collecting the rewards. But this would only apply if the union had not put everyone in such an untenable position that anyone with two working brain cells can see that blind support can only lead to self destruction.
No doubt the no strike voters could have been yes strike voters if they had had something achievable to strike for

[Clarified]

GG

With you all the way, no doubts in the Clarified camp!

[Tiramisu]

A Lurker,
You are right, my Manager confirmed some time back that you cannot be sacked for Lawful Industrial Action.
But that's exactly the question, how legal will the current Strike be?
Look at what BA did to our Pilots at the eleventh hour. I fear that Willie Walsh will come up with something. BA have done everything since they imposed the crewing changes. Hot desks, emails, letters to our home, freephone helplines and the rest. This is a company that has supported us every step of the way since the changes.
This time, BASSA/UNITE will not get away with it, that's my personal view.
I have just returned from a full flight on a 767 without a Purser in charge of the ET cabin, and all my crew who I was very proud of, coped admirably. See, it's not too bad on Eurofleet at all.
There are mixed reactions with most of the crew I work with, most of them do not want to strike , but will.
I as you know, Will NOT STRIKE. However, I really fear for the young crew.

[deeceethree]

A Lurker,

You stated:

.... clearly there is going to be some form of IA

and

There will be a strike - that is without question

You seem recklessly confident of that. I hold the opposing view - I don't think any potential industrial action will actually get started. Why? Because of the very shaky ground that BASSA have stood on for so long - validity of the ballot, the legal case pending in February, to name but 2 reasons. BA are primed to pull the rug out from under BASSA, and they may be able to force Unite to do it for them. Unite can't afford to pay for BASSA's serious shortcomings, and certainly not whilst steel workers are about to lose 1700 jobs.

Nah, there won't be a strike!

[KitKat747]

I heard that in 1997 too, in my opinion the job will only go if the company goes.

I am sure there will be a majority yes vote, if there is it will give the union a stronger hand in negotiating. Hopefully the union will use that expected strength towards some serious negotiations at last instead of striking.

For my 2p worth, I do not think the union will risk striking-too much to lose.

[FlexSRS]

A.Lurker/Strikers

A.Lurker,

To turn your question to GG around;

How will you feel if any strike is quickly broken, and the losses incurred are added on to the IFCE saving target, as WW promised, and crew now have to have reduced crew compliments AND a paycut AND reduced nighstops AND fixed links etc? How will you feel working along side people who didn't want to strike, knowing you have made their situation worse?

[Desertia]

A Lurker, I would go one step further. Because of BASSA's failure to negotiate, BA's losses increased and in November the CR figure increased by 1,200.

How do BASSA feel about costing these 1,200 people their jobs?

Answer: They don't give a stuff as long as they're alright.

So there is no reason at all for anyone who chooses to support the company's future to give a stuff about BASSA or any of the people that vote yes based on their lies, is there?

[flybymerchant]

KitKat....

I heard that in 1997 too, in my opinion the job will only go if the company goes.

....which will happen sooner rather than later if CC unions keep refusing to accept the need for change and defending that blinkered and ill-informed assertion with financially devastating strike threats/action

I am sure there will be a majority yes vote, if there is it will give the union a stronger hand in negotiating.

Negoti-whatnow?! Let me just look that up....What makes you think BA WANT to negotiate? Would you if you were in their unquestionably powerful position?

Hopefully the union will use that expected strength towards some serious negotiations at last instead of striking.

This made me chuckle!

For my 2p worth, I do not think the union will risk striking-too much to lose.

....and Willy has known that for some time- everything that BASSA have done, or more importantly and honestly, NOT done, has been woefully predictable by everyone, not just BAs top managers and lawyers

[fly12345]

Some deluded individual is blaming crew reporting from CF to this forum the main cause why some csds have been suspended for fueling arguments with passengers on board about the possible industrial unrest.

[Desertia]

Yep, good old BASSA, let's point the finger at everyone else.

[Strimmerdriver]

Any news from yesterdays meeting between BA & Bassa?

[dave747436]

Yesterdays meeting between BA & BASSA

From the Daily Hate:

But a BA spokesman, who revealed the company had received an injunction application from Unite yesterday, said: 'The changes do not alter contractual terms and conditions for individual crew members

[beerdrinker]

The more Unite muck around the more likely it is that BA will play the 90 day card.

[Aim09]

Re the above post - what do you mean about 90 days? Thanks.

[TheKabaka]

Re the above post - what do you mean about 90 days? Thanks.

My contract with BA says that the agreements in the MOA can be terminated with 90 days notice from either party.

I believe the company can also give 90 days notice to employees before cancelling your contract and issuing a new one. Yes I am sure this would lead to a strike ballot, but since we've already got one of those what have BA lost if they do this?

[beerdrinker]

90 Days

In simple terms (and I am sure one of our more knowledgeable posters will explain further), in the same way as a BA employee can resign with 90 days notice, BA can give 90 days notice of termination of the employees contract. The theory is that coupled with that Notice will be a revised Contract of Service which the employee will be invited to sign which will have a start date of the end date of the 90 days notice. The new contract will not be the same as the old contract. (Although in this case I am sure it will allow for Length of service and seniority to be maintained for such things as Rank, Pension and Staff Travel.)

BD

[Flap33]

90 Days...

I am guessing the refrence is to the 90 Days notice that ANY employer can serve to their employees with regard to ammendments/termination of current contracts of employment.

Therefore, if BASSA announce a strike date next week you can bet BA will have those letters in the post the next day.

New Fleet could well be here before the end of the current season. As far as I know, if you don't accept the new T&Cs you are deemed to have resigned.

As with many other contributors, I am not a legal expert and am happy to be proved wrong.

[seasick]

I'm not an expert on law but it sounds unlegal to send out notice letters to staff, because the company and the union can't come to an agreement, and tell them to either leave or accept a new contract.

Can they really do that?