British Airways - CC Industrial Relations & Negotiations

[winstonsmith]

Some crew - at LHR - are feeling more tired and exhausted after their flights because of less crew onboard - does this mean that some crew are a bunch of lazy people who are learning what work is all about?

It must be exhausting getting less than an hour and a half in the bunks on a seven hour flight to JFK.

[Hot Wings]

Try no bunk rest on a CAI!

A Lurker - nice try but just because you can't brainwash
ppruners around to BASSA's way of thinking please
don't go down the bullying route.

[Glamgirl]

Pay reduction of 2.61% (same % reduction as the pilots) PERMANENT

Good for those who are able to afford it... Most of us can't. It was a temporary measure, by the way.

Telephone allowance withdrawn PERMANENT

About time...

New disruption agreement for WW and an introduction for EF + SFG PERMANENT
(Note - It is based on data over the last 2 years and uses the cost of diversions plus the cost of a/c out of position for longer than under our new proposal. In February this year BA admitted to the press that the snow disruption cost them £20 million +. Should the next 2 winters contain little or no snow and fog, no ATC problems or T5 bag problems, then this saving will be reduced. Equally one bad winter will increase the total
saved.)

Not sure why LGW is included in this one, as what we do is to get the operation back to normal asap within legal limits. Bear in mind BA wanted to talk about this in the latest talks, but unions refused unless imposition was removed.

Switch of PSR to main crew WW - 4 class a/c ( this was BAs original figure ) PERMANENT

Brings WWLHR into same crew level as LGW.

Removal of additional crew member on WW additional routes PERMANENT

Again, brings WWLHR into same crew level as LGW

Switch at SFG of PSR to main crew on 777 - 3 class ( BAs figure )PERMANENT

This is the odd one, as not much of a cost saving considering Pursers get paid the same hourly rate as Main crew. I was informed it was to have the same supervisory level as LHR, even though all management think it's great to have 2 Pursers on the 3-class.

WW 767 and routes to EF - full integration, ( head saving 400 x 18 months) PERMANENT

EF were never asked if this is something they'd like/would be interested in.

EF single supervisor 757 and switch of PSR to main crew on EF767 PERMANENT

Which most on EF is up in arms about now, as they will not work what was previously the Purser position on the 767 unless they get paid for it.

EF finish time last day 2200 - up to and incl. 5 day block PERMANENT

By comparison, LGW can finish at 22.59 on the last day before days off.

but also believe that you have dodged a number of core questions and continue to duck and weave.

AlpineSkier, I'll have to agree with you on that one...

I'm just going to let the bully boys win - I give up having to try to have a debate because in the end people on this thread do exactly what they every day in the job - shout people down and bully them into submission

No point in throwing your toys out of the pram, A Lurker. I wasn't going to reply to you anymore, as it was getting silly and boring for others to read. People here are interested in debating with you, but you must answer their questions, especially when they're reasonable questions. If you don't know the answer, that's fine, just say, instead of changing the subject.

There are several CC members on here, and I'm one for a start. Some others are passengers, pilots, ex-crew, whatever. It really doesn't matter who they are as long as they contribute something to the conversation. I've learned a lot on this forum, and I'm sure you can too.

But I guess: good bye, take care. Good luck.

Gg

[A Lurker]

Glamgirl

I said I wasn't going to debate any more - not that I was leaving the thread -

And as for you 'petty' comment about not knowing the answer - what question do you have for me?

[tomkins]

Alurker
R.I.P and bravo for putting up with all for so long.

[Glamgirl]

A Lurker

For the last time:

What are your ideas for cost savings? Not what Bassa/Unite has told you, but your personal opinion.

Not that it matters, but I was not being "petty". I was merely saying that none of us know all of the answers.

As someone else mentioned, don't say that posters on this forum are bullying you. If you knew anything about bullying and what it entails, you wouldn't. For clarity: Somebody disagreeing with you is not a bully. Someone who asks for clarification of your post is not a bully.

Gg

[henkybaby]

So, is there any other BA crew in favor of the strike here that is willing to enlighten us about their position in this debate?

I am most interested in views on the subjects mentioned on the top of the page (post 4448 by dave747436).

A.Lurrker, please don't interfere. We know the party line by now.

[Desertia]

Pay reduction of 2.61% (same % reduction as the pilots) PERMANENT

It's only me, but I believe this is being posted by a BASSA member or supporter.

Whoever posted this, could I cordially invite you to ask your union if it was "permanent" or for a limited period.

I'd explain why, but I'm hoping said poster will do a Homer Simpson-style "Doh" (as I've done myself on this thread when I've got my facts wrong).

Clue: You can embolden, underline, even shout "PERMANENT". About as much as "BA can't sack us".

Mods. Purleaseeee! I really want to read the replies.

[IYCSWICSWICW]

..which was to be found at the front of the neatly parked Airbus. Meanwhile, the pilots were in a pub discussing sporting issues..

GF

[A Lurker]

Glamgirl

You consistently say "you will not strike" - you will be there to give "fincastle and his wife" their champagne etc etc

Will you therefore forgo the money and allowances that your colleagues are fighting for - or will you simply keep on taking the money safe in the knowledge that you did nothing for it?

I would have far more respect for you if you came to work on strike day - said you don't believe in what the other crew are doing and donate a days pay to UNICEF.

That way at least you would have done something to alleviate the ongoing money you will earn every month.

After all - there are people on here saying "yes well done Glamgirl. we are all for you dropping your pay by 40%"

And you are saying "Yes - but at least fincastle got his Champagne!"

And people say BASSA are mad - thats madness in the extreme!!!!!!!!!

[Clarified]

Can we put the chicken down? I think Mod did it for us, thanks Mod.

I am a CSD WW LHR, (I think you already knew that).
I have to say how impressed I have been by the professionalism of our flight crew colleagues during the ongoing IR issues. In my experience they have kept it all off the aircraft, for obvious reasons.
This forum allows them to let off a bit of steam (some more than others), it also provides excellent arguments around the current situation including invaluable data.

Lads and Lasses keep it up, we live in a free country.

[Glamgirl]

A Lurker,

I really don't know why I bother, but are you for real???

You consistently say "you will not strike" - you will be there to give "fincastle and his wife" their champagne etc etc

Will you therefore forgo the money and allowances that your colleagues are fighting for - or will you simply keep on taking the money safe in the knowledge that you did nothing for it?

I would have far more respect for you if you came to work on strike day - said you don't believe in what the other crew are doing and donate a days pay to UNICEF.

That way at least you would have done something to alleviate the ongoing money you will earn every month.

After all - there are people on here saying "yes well done Glamgirl. we are all for you dropping your pay by 40%"

And you are saying "Yes - but at least fincastle got his Champagne!"

And people say BASSA are mad - thats madness in the extreme!!!!!!!!!

If you haven't noticed, I don't think that there should be a strike. Considering Bassa/unite refused to negotiate, I don't see what other choice BA have but to impose a reduced crewing level.

There is very little in BA's proposal that will influence my pay. The only thing, basically, is taking a Purser off the 777 3-class. There is nothing in any proposals from BA that say we'll have a 40% pay cut. Where did you hear that little gem? If this relates to NewFleet, management put forward the offer of a guaranteed monthly income to all LHR crew. This was ignored by the union.

You have no knowledge of my private life and what I do with my spare time. I don't have to tell you anything about my life, but I will now. I am heavily involved with 2 big charities, where I do quite a lot of work for free. Is that good enough for you?

I don't believe in why the strike ballot has gone ahead. Therefore I'm not striking. I voted NO, not that it's any of your (or anyone else's) business. I will come to work, and I will do what I'm paid to do. I refuse to make our passengers suffer because of some stubborn union reps' ideas of what's happening in the real world. I've worked for BA for a long time, and I refuse to put mine or other people's jobs on the line.

Now, weren't you bowing out of discussions? Or are you still wanting to debate but can't be bothered to answer my question? Perhaps you'd like to answer the questions other people have put to you as well.

Gg

[henkybaby]

Stop feeding the animals!

He is living proof that his word or guarantees mean nothing. He said he would butt out and he doesn't. Why debate with him? He is one person with too much time on his hands. He does not represent BASSA so don't give him too much credit.

Now, any other BA CC who favor the strike want to give some more insights?

[A Lurker]

Glamgirl

What is this place coming too........

You, your life and your spare time hold no interest whatsoever for me. I don't care what you do or what you are associated with outside of work.

I have a simple question for you.

How will you feel working alongside colleagues who had the guts to risk everything, so that people like you can draw the same salary as your colleagues who stood up against this imposition - whilst you who risked nothing, drink from the same fountain?

I hope you feel proud

[A Lurker]

henkybaby

I dont know where you have suddenly come from but I want some of what you are on baby!!!!!!!

[Glamgirl]

Clarified,

Yes, BA has been trying to negotiate for a long time.

A Lurker,

I'm happy with my decision. You suggested that I should donate something to charity, whence my comment on my involvement. It wasn't for your entertainment. Please stay clear of personal attacks (I know some have been deleted, but that's not the point).

You seem to forget where I'm based and what we (as a base) have already been through. That's all I have to say to you, to be honest. I don't care much for the attitude

[KitKat747]

A Lurker,

What do you think a strike will achieve that will make you feel so proud?

Do you really think Mr Walsh will say sorry and reverse what you call imposition and put another crew member back on the aircraft before you self destruct by striking?

The crew members you are so disparaging about are the ones that will save the company from collapse and who will be repsonsible for you still having a job to go to.

[A Lurker]

Glamgirl

Not meant to be a personal attack at all

I am just curious - clearly there is going to be some form of IA

There will be an outcome (non of us know what that might be) - but I'm really curious to understand how how you would be comfortable in drawing the same money as someone who was willing to sacrifice potential job loss, bad report on file etc Whilst you being a person would still benefit from any collective agreement that was agreed (much as you have over the last 20 or so years)

Does that sit comfortably with you? Knowing that others had risked everything (as you keep telling us!) whilst you risked nothing - but still shared in the reward?

[Clarified]

One for GG

GG I think you've got guts, you make your own mind up and follow those principals. Quite a good lesson in life.
In my view nothing is changing re. pay and other conditions. (Others think differently and equally are challenging the situation).
Shouldn't we be putting energies into helping our company?
My pay slip has BA written on it nothing else. I would like to make sure my company is able to maitain all of our salaries and not become a basket case paraillised by lack of leadership.
I think we are finally heading in that direction.

[A Lurker]

KitKat747

There will be a strike - that is without question

The point that people seem to be missing here is very simple

If BA get there way with this imposition - then the job is finished - gone for good - kaput!

So the mentality of many crew members is quite simply - WHAT HAVE I GOT TO LOSE BY STRIKING!